Gran Turismo SPORT | OT | Putting it all on the line

Raven117 · Dec 11, 2017

Hey Gran Tursimo Era!

So, with the emphasis on racing and actually teaching you how to do it, I finally after 20 years, bought a Gran Turismo game. Im loving this so far. Still rocking driving school and making sure to get Golds for each event. Any tips for newbies?

The thrill of nailing a tight turn perfectly is way cooler than I thought it would be.

Im still rocking the controller, but I can see how a wheel is damn near necessary to really do well.

Moss · Dec 11, 2017

Raven117 said:
So, with the emphasis on racing and actually teaching you how to do it, I finally after 20 years, bought a Gran Turismo game. Im loving this so far. Still rocking driving school and making sure to get Golds for each event. Any tips for newbies?

For a complete novice? Slower is faster! Your corner exit speeds are more important than your corner entry speeds, slow in fast out. Try to be smooth with your inputs and use the full width of the track, if you corner too sharply you will just scrub off all your momentum, listen to your tyres if they are squealing too much you are probably trying too hard.

Wheels are a great benefit for control, easier to be smoother and have more finesse, only downside is when things go wrong it is a lot harder to correct with a wheel than on a gamepad.

onanie · Dec 11, 2017

Raven117 said:
Hey Gran Tursimo Era!

So, with the emphasis on racing and actually teaching you how to do it, I finally after 20 years, bought a Gran Turismo game. Im loving this so far. Still rocking driving school and making sure to get Golds for each event. Any tips for newbies?

The thrill of nailing a tight turn perfectly is way cooler than I thought it would be.

Im still rocking the controller, but I can see how a wheel is damn near necessary to really do well.

My tip would be to get on to motion control as soon as possible. The fine control that you get is more than worth the change.

Raven117 · Dec 11, 2017

Moss said:
For a complete novice? Slower is faster! Your corner exit speeds are more important than your corner entry speeds, slow in fast out. Try to be smooth with your inputs and use the full width of the track, if you corner too sharply you will just scrub off all your momentum, listen to your tyres if they are squealing too much you are probably trying too hard.

Wheels are a great benefit for control, easier to be smoother and have more finesse, only downside is when things go wrong it is a lot harder to correct with a wheel than on a gamepad.

Thanks for the tips! It seems in driving school, unforutately, the slower in faster out is not rewarded at all to get the gold ranking.

While Im still new, I have done a nice turn, a bit slow but smooth, and might barely get a bronze. I have flown around curves full throttle barely tapping the brakes and flying in sideways (literally) and got a gold.

Im hoping in a race situation the tad slower in the corner will be more accurately rewarded.

Yeah, Im finding it really hard to finesse with the controller both steering and pedal work.

Raven117 · Dec 11, 2017

onanie said:
My tip would be to get on to motion control as soon as possible. The fine control that you get is more than worth the change.

Do you mean wheel?

onanie · Dec 11, 2017

Raven117 said:
Do you mean wheel?

Motion control as in the DS4's tilt control. You'll have to turn it on in the controls menu.

You'll turn your DS4 like you would a wheel.

Psycho_Mantis · Dec 11, 2017

Tofer said:
I would like to get in on the next race

Got it :D

Putty said:
Would love to get in on this guys but i just can't do the time of day it's on...Anyway, been ploughing on doing some more missions...6-8.. Endurance...ran out of fuel last lap lol! 2 pitstops...lap 10 and 20...all on medium tires...was on for a low 1:02 total time as well...

What time works for you?

Raven117 said:
Do you mean wheel?

The DS4 has SIXAXIS so you can turn it like a wheel. Apparently its better than using sticks.

onanie · Dec 11, 2017

When's the next one, PM?

Psycho_Mantis · Dec 11, 2017

Up to you guys. Either next week or (for me at least) after new years.

Raven117 · Dec 11, 2017

onanie said:
Motion control as in the DS4's tilt control. You'll have to turn it on in the controls menu.

You'll turn your DS4 like you would a wheel.

Good tip. I'll do that this evening.

onanie · Dec 11, 2017

How does 8PM pst sound to everyone? Is that a good time on a weekend?

eyeball_kid · Dec 11, 2017

So here's the ResetERA Yamagiwa race from my back of the field perspective. Quite a bit of shuffling of positions. I started off pretty shaky and nervous about hitting anyone, and ended up blowing that first wide sweeping turn. After my first pit stop around lap 13 I finally started getting into a better groove. Anx10us passing me made me focus harder as well, and I put on soft tires for the last four laps, but couldn't catch him in time. Anx10us was driving very well, though maybe that Citroen should be nerfed a bit? It handles well in corners, has good top end speed, and it was walking away from my Ferrari in the low gears. I found it really hard to keep pace with him out of the slow corners, though I must admit the sharp, slow turns on this track are something I have trouble finding a consistent line on. So I'm sure that's partially my fault. My biggest mistake was not switching to Medium tires at the first pit stop, I ran on Hards until the last four laps.

Ephialtes · Dec 12, 2017

ruttyboy said:
The trouble is though, it's left me with a thirst for more. I want a proper season format with manufacturer teams (of two) and points and longer races and handicaps! Anyone else?

Ooooh, I'd watch that.

DHC-Shannow · Dec 12, 2017

Raven117 said:
Hey Gran Tursimo Era!

So, with the emphasis on racing and actually teaching you how to do it, I finally after 20 years, bought a Gran Turismo game. Im loving this so far. Still rocking driving school and making sure to get Golds for each event. Any tips for newbies?

The thrill of nailing a tight turn perfectly is way cooler than I thought it would be.

Im still rocking the controller, but I can see how a wheel is damn near necessary to really do well.

You can still be quick with a controller - your line and braking points are the same either way and these are the biggest factors in your overall speed.

Psycho_Mantis said:
Up to you guys. Either next week or (for me at least) after new years.

With me current situation I never know for certain whether I can make it or how much time I'll have but I'll do my best to be there whenever you can do it next.

onanie said:
How does 8PM pst sound to everyone? Is that a good time on a weekend?

Thats 4am here in the UK! If you have enough US interest then maybe run a mirror event over there at a time that suits you guys.

eyeball_kid said:
maybe that Citroen should be nerfed a bit?

Oi! Nooo! Hands off the Citroen!

I did the Nations cup race last night around Suzuka and the quickest I could do in the Citroen was two seconds slower than what I could do in the Scirocco :-( I hate driving the Scirocco too but you had to be driving that or the Megane to be anything other than at the back. I was up in 5th when I got a bit too optimistic in the braking zone at Spoon, spun in the gravel and got back on in 15th - got back up to 12th but not great from 7th on the grid :-( Think I'll be back at Dr.B soon (my bar is just barely registering at DR.A).

Gvon · Dec 12, 2017

Im ok for most times in the evening, uk time that is. Typically get home from work around 7. Sadly I dont get time to practice and will probably just rock up and see what happens on the day lol

I'll be in Ireland over Christmas so wont be around if anythings on that week.

BradleyLove · Dec 12, 2017

Would anyone be kind enough to send me a PSN FR? Only a couple of my mates have GTS so I feel I'm missing out on the community aspect.

PSN ID is same as my Era username.

Thanks in advance.

Gvon · Dec 12, 2017

BradleyLove said:
Would anyone be kind enough to send me a PSN FR? Only a couple of my mates have GTS so I feel I'm missing out on the community aspect.

PSN ID is same as my Era username.

Thanks in advance.

Will do

Putty · Dec 12, 2017

Did it WITHOUT running out of fuel this time! 1hr 02min 43 secs...

DHC-Shannow · Dec 12, 2017

Psycho_Mantis said:
We'll get there eventually. This was a good first step.

Do you want to give the team thing a shot next time? So you can have up to 2 drivers per team and they select a team in advance with first come first served? It could cause some friction I guess if 1 car appears clearly better.

We could have team livery too, that'd be cool :-) Maybe even have a constructors championship as well as a drivers...

Sejanoz · Dec 12, 2017

My game is becoming so slow at everything. I can't do anything in the first 30-40 seconds I boot it up because it's saving something, "My Menu" takes at least ten seconds to pop up, same for browsing photos, profiles, decals, etc.
Sharing photos gives an error (even if the game uploads it fine). Can't apply 100+ layer liveries

I already tried to clean the cache, what else can I do? It worked fine up until a week or two ago

ruttyboy · Dec 12, 2017

Psycho_Mantis said:
Up to you guys. Either next week or (for me at least) after new years.

I'm happy for next week, and if you're not around I don't mind running a couple of events over Christmas if people want it.

DHC-Shannow said:
I did the Nations cup race last night around Suzuka and the quickest I could do in the Citroen was two seconds slower than what I could do in the Scirocco :-( I hate driving the Scirocco too but you had to be driving that or the Megane to be anything other than at the back. I was up in 5th when I got a bit too optimistic in the braking zone at Spoon, spun in the gravel and got back on in 15th - got back up to 12th but not great from 7th on the grid :-( Think I'll be back at Dr.B soon (my bar is just barely registering at DR.A).

I tried the Gr.4 daily at Interlagos last night in the Aston, out of a field of 20, fully 16 were Meganes, 2 Sciroccos, a Mustang and me. It was a farce, I finished dead last by some margin despite the people I saw around me coming off the track every few metres, the Megane was just so fast that even driving clean I couldn't compete.

DHC-Shannow said:
Do you want to give the team thing a shot next time? So you can have up to 2 drivers per team and they select a team in advance with first come first served? It could cause some friction I guess if 1 car appears clearly better.

We could have team livery too, that'd be cool :-) Maybe even have a constructors championship as well as a drivers...

The way to do it I suppose would be to test some cars and play with the weight/power until they were fairly equivalent (so basically BoP but accurate). I'm happy to spend some time on this if needed, I need to learn more cars/tracks anyway. Maybe a time trial competition to seed teams?

Sejanoz said:
My game is becoming so slow at everything. I can't do anything in the first 30-40 seconds I boot it up because it's saving something, "My Menu" takes at least ten seconds to pop up, same for browsing photos, profiles, decals, etc.
Sharing photos gives an error (even if the game uploads it fine). Can't apply 100+ layer liveries

I already tried to clean the cache, what else can I do? It worked fine up until a week or two ago

It sounds like it needs a total un-install/re-install.

DHC-Shannow · Dec 12, 2017

ruttyboy said:
I'm happy for next week, and if you're not around I don't mind running a couple of events over Christmas if people want it.

I tried the Gr.4 daily at Interlagos last night in the Aston, out of a field of 20, fully 16 were Meganes, 2 Sciroccos, a Mustang and me. It was a farce, I finished dead last by some margin despite the people I saw around me coming off the track every few metres, the Megane was just so fast that even driving clean I couldn't compete.

The way to do it I suppose would be to test some cars and play with the weight/power until they were fairly equivalent (so basically BoP but accurate). I'm happy to spend some time on this if needed, I need to learn more cars/tracks anyway. Maybe a time trial competition to seed teams?

It sounds like it needs a total un-install/re-install.

I wouldn't fancy getting involved in vehicle balancing, I think we should just leave that to Polyphony and trust that they'll get there in time. It would be interesting to do some time trial comps however and that would give us a good idea of where all the cars lie with regards to pace (and some will suit different tracks too of course). Unfortunately there's no way of sharing a scoreboard for time trials at the moment is there? I can't believe they haven't used the Driveclub challenge system here tbh as that was a great way of setting up asynchronous competition.

Sejanoz · Dec 12, 2017

ruttyboy said:
It sounds like it needs a total un-install/re-install.

oh god no :( that 12GB update

Raven117 · Dec 12, 2017

DHC-Shannow said:
You can still be quick with a controller - your line and braking points are the same either way and these are the biggest factors in your overall speed.

Big thanks to all who recommended changing to the controller movement scheme. Those turns are way smoother.

That said, damn, do I have trouble cornering at anything over 90 degrees to hairpins. Any tips for a complete (and I mean complete) new racer.

BadWolf · Dec 12, 2017

Raven117 said:
That said, damn, do I have trouble cornering at anything over 90 degrees to hairpins. Any tips for a complete (and I mean complete) new racer.

I suck at racers too and this is what helped:

- Make sure to slow down properly before taking the turn and aim for the apex of the turn.
- Just pick a turn and practice it, each time looking to see how fast you can go to take the turn. Like there was a turn in one of the tracks, on the first attempt I tried to take it at about 70 speed, then the next lap at 90 and it went okay but after I went to a 100 the car went off the road so I settled on taking that turn at 80-90 speed.
- Hair pins I noticed can be taken at about 70 speed or less. If it's really tight then you might want to go lower to 50-40 etc. speed.
- Don't forget to let off acceleration when taking the turn. Though make sure to see if a turn allows you to maintain some acceleration if it's not too right or maybe let's you feather it.
- Basically try to drive clean and take turns clean, slowly speeding things up when you get comfortable so that you aren't going too slow when taking turns and end up losing time in the process.

DHC-Shannow · Dec 12, 2017

Raven117 said:
Big thanks to all who recommended changing to the controller movement scheme. Those turns are way smoother.

That said, damn, do I have trouble cornering at anything over 90 degrees to hairpins. Any tips for a complete (and I mean complete) new racer.

Generally what you want to do is go to the opposite side of the track to the bend, brake in a straight line to the correct speed, come off the brake and turn in so you touch the middle of the corner (the apex) and smoothly get back on the power so the arc of the cars travel takes it to the outside of the track on the exit of the corner.
The best line you take through the bend can also depend on what comes after the bend so it can vary depending on the corner whether you want to late apex (touch the inner kerb after the centre) or early apex (touch it before the centre). If you have the cone assist on it shows you braking points (2 cones) turn in, apex and exit points (single cones).

Couple of extra points - brake in a straight line if possible, there is only so much grip available and you will slow down quicker if you aren't trying to turn too. And letting off the brake before turning in will help you turn quicker too for the same reason.

Raven117 · Dec 12, 2017

BadWolf said:
I suck at racers too and this is what helped:

- Make sure to slow down properly before taking the turn and aim for the apex of the turn.
- Just pick a turn and practice it, each time looking to see how fast you can go to take the turn. Like there was a turn in one of the tracks, on the first attempt I tried to take it at about 70 speed, then the next lap at 90 and it went okay but after I went to a 100 the car went off the road so I settled on taking that turn at 80-90 speed.
- Hair pins I noticed can be taken at about 70 speed or less. If it's really tight then you might want to go lower to 50-40 etc. speed.
- Don't forget to let off acceleration when taking the turn. Though make sure to see if a turn allows you to maintain some acceleration if it's not too right or maybe let's you feather it.
- Basically try to drive clean and take turns clean, slowly speeding things up when you get comfortable so that you aren't going too slow when taking turns and end up losing time in the process.

DHC-Shannow said:
Generally what you want to do is go to the opposite side of the track to the bend, brake in a straight line to the correct speed, come off the brake and turn in so you touch the middle of the corner (the apex) and smoothly get back on the power so the arc of the cars travel takes it to the outside of the track on the exit of the corner.
The best line you take through the bend can also depend on what comes after the bend so it can vary depending on the corner whether you want to late apex (touch the inner kerb after the centre) or early apex (touch it before the centre). If you have the cone assist on it shows you braking points (2 cones) turn in, apex and exit points (single cones).

Couple of extra points - brake in a straight line if possible, there is only so much grip available and you will slow down quicker if you aren't trying to turn too. And letting off the brake before turning in will help you turn quicker too for the same reason.

Good tips.

Whats this about the "cone" assist?

Also, lets say you brake to hit the proper speed. Do you accelerate (or at least hold steady) the gas, or glide into the turn itself?

Ive said this before in a previous post, but at least in driving school I have had faster times driving like a bat out of hell and flying around curves (and off track) sliding in sideways to the finish, then doing in clean (slow, but clean).

DHC-Shannow · Dec 12, 2017

Raven117 said:
Good tips.

Whats this about the "cone" assist?

Also, lets say you brake to hit the proper speed. Do you accelerate (or at least hold steady) the gas, or glide into the turn itself?

Ive said this before in a previous post, but at least in driving school I have had faster times driving like a bat out of hell and flying around curves (and off track) sliding in sideways to the finish, then doing in clean (slow, but clean).

I've added a video above that shows the different lines and why you would take them - the driving school challenges are often more about the challenge part than teaching you the correct way to do things (so reward you for going through like a bat out of hell rather than hitting the relevant points.

The cone assist is a step up from the driving line that you're probably using. I think most of us on here still have the cones on as they're a handy tool if you don't know the track intimately but they leave you to judge corner speed yourself. Once you think you're comfortable without driving line then turn it off and try cone assist. You probably have some other assists on too, again you get used to the tracks and the lines then start to turn them off. The car feels better and more alive once you can get by without many of these things but they are very handy for the less experienced.

As for your question, the correct sequence is brake, turn and roll, straighten whilst getting back on the power.

eyeball_kid · Dec 12, 2017

BadWolf said:
- Just pick a turn and practice it

One thing I really wish GT Sport had was a Turn Attack mode where you could pick a turn, pick a car, and drive it over and over.

Also, it still blows my mind that we don't even have a race history available where we can go look at data for each online race, let alone analysis of that data over time. We should be able to look at a chart of our circuit history and see that turn 6 always brings down our times. Give me the tools to race better!

Maika_Fan · Dec 12, 2017

Just did a 30 lap endurance race and slightly miscalculated how much fuel I needed at the final pit stop. Had to drive most of the last lap with fuel set to maximum lean and crept over the line first with the second place car just behind me and on 0.1 fuel remaining.

Tense isn't the word!!!

Omnistalgic · Dec 12, 2017

SHarris78 said:
Just did a 30 lap endurance race and slightly miscalculated how much fuel I needed at the final pit stop. Had to drive most of the last lap with fuel set to maximum lean and crept over the line first with the second place car just behind me and on 0.1 fuel remaining.

Tense isn't the word!!!

That's sounds so nerve wrecking I would have fainted lol

Raven117 · Dec 12, 2017

DHC-Shannow said:
I've added a video above that shows the different lines and why you would take them - the driving school challenges are often more about the challenge part than teaching you the correct way to do things (so reward you for going through like a bat out of hell rather than hitting the relevant points.

The cone assist is a step up from the driving line that you're probably using. I think most of us on here still have the cones on as they're a handy tool if you don't know the track intimately but they leave you to judge corner speed yourself. Once you think you're comfortable without driving line then turn it off and try cone assist. You probably have some other assists on too, again you get used to the tracks and the lines then start to turn them off. The car feels better and more alive once you can get by without many of these things but they are very handy for the less experienced.

As for your question, the correct sequence is brake, turn and roll, straighten whilst getting back on the power.

Thanks for the video. Its really helpful. Are the cones just points in the turn?

Turn and roll (ie, no gas). It seems I brake way to much in the beginning and I roll to a damn near stop mid way through the turn.

Maika_Fan · Dec 12, 2017

Omnistalgic said:
That's sounds so nerve wrecking I would have fainted lol

Forget Resi VII and Outlast, this came can be mega nerve racking !

Psycho_Mantis · Dec 12, 2017

DHC-Shannow said:
Do you want to give the team thing a shot next time? So you can have up to 2 drivers per team and they select a team in advance with first come first served? It could cause some friction I guess if 1 car appears clearly better.

We could have team livery too, that'd be cool :-) Maybe even have a constructors championship as well as a drivers...

Manafacturers sounds cool.

I'm guessing the manufacturers will be:

Subaru
Citroen
Porsche
Alfa Romeo
Ferrari
Nissan
Mercedes
???

ruttyboy · Dec 12, 2017

Personally I don't think we should have any of those GT Vision things, they're quite immersion breaking.

onanie · Dec 12, 2017

there's probably no good global time, but

1 pm PST = 9pm UK = 8am AU.

Perhaps that's the most inclusive time?

Psycho_Mantis · Dec 12, 2017

Tried to fit everyone in :D

ruttyboy said:
Personally I don't think we should have any of those GT Vision things, they're quite immersion breaking.

Would agree but GT Citroen seems to be a popular car and competitive.

ruttyboy · Dec 12, 2017

Looking at that picture, it's also three foot wider than every other car ;-)

Don't listen to me, I'm just an old whinger :)

onanie · Dec 12, 2017

Psycho_Mantis said:
Tried to fit everyone in :D

Would agree but GT Citroen seems to be a popular car and competitive.

Nice group photo! I think I can see someone picking their nose.

DHC-Shannow · Dec 12, 2017

ruttyboy said:
Looking at that picture, it's also three foot wider than every other car ;-)

Don't listen to me, I'm just an old whinger :)

Shuddup about the Citroen you old whinger :-)

Psycho_Mantis said:
Manafacturers sounds cool.

I'm guessing the manufacturers will be:

Subaru
Citroen
Porsche
Alfa Romeo
Ferrari
Nissan
Mercedes
???

Rutty the old whinger used a skinny Aston Martin...

eyeball_kid · Dec 12, 2017

onanie said:
there's probably no good global time, but

1 pm PST = 9pm UK = 8am AU.

Perhaps that's the most inclusive time?

That's when we started last time, worked okay. The majority was UK/Europe, only three of us were from the States. Surprisingly low lag jitter given how far we were from each other.

onanie · Dec 12, 2017

eyeball_kid said:
That's when we started last time, worked okay. The majority was UK/Europe, only three of us were from the States. Surprisingly low lag jitter given how far we were from each other.

Oh of course, i see PM has already put a lot of thought into this LOL

BradleyLove · Dec 12, 2017

Thanks for the FRs so far, much appreciated.

Is it just me, or does anyone else get a sinking feeling when they see "Vision Gran Turismo"? I don't know why but I have zero interest in cars that don't actually exist.

Fifanutz · Dec 12, 2017

Raven117 said:
Thanks for the video. Its really helpful. Are the cones just points in the turn?

Turn and roll (ie, no gas). It seems I brake way to much in the beginning and I roll to a damn near stop mid way through the turn.

Generally start braking at the double cones on the straight, turn into the corner when you reach the single cone and aim you car toward the single cone at the centre of the corner. Once you've passed the cone at the apex of the corner you should be back on the gas

Fifanutz · Dec 12, 2017

Any suggestions for time trials? Track and Car?

onanie · Dec 12, 2017

Fifanutz said:
Any suggestions for time trials? Track and Car?

As an Era friendly competition?

Fifanutz · Dec 12, 2017

onanie said:
As an Era friendly competition?

Yeah why not it's a little more inclusive for those that can't make set time for race meets

onanie · Dec 13, 2017

Fifanutz said:
Yeah why not it's a little more inclusive for those that can't make set time for race meets

Good idea.
My vote Rsr Bathurst. No restriction.

How do we verify the times?

DHC-Shannow · Dec 13, 2017

eyeball_kid said:
One thing I really wish GT Sport had was a Turn Attack mode where you could pick a turn, pick a car, and drive it over and over.

Also, it still blows my mind that we don't even have a race history available where we can go look at data for each online race, let alone analysis of that data over time. We should be able to look at a chart of our circuit history and see that turn 6 always brings down our times. Give me the tools to race better!

Yeah I was pleased it kept track of wins (more than most games) but I wish it did more - I guess if you really want to analyse it then save the replays after every race as there's lots of info on there.

Maika_Fan · Dec 13, 2017

onanie said:
As an Era friendly competition?

This would be great, my available time to play varies so timed meets are out for me.

But time trials with specific cars and tracks would be great to hop in and out of when time arises.

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