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Sonic the Hedgehog Community |OT| There’s no end to this franchise!
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I don't believe that's the minority opinion, if it's any comfort. I kinda think my stance of thinking the Saturn version has the better track is the minority opinion. Reasoning being, like, the Genesis version is the only one Sega bothers with these days, so just going by exposure, the Saturn one is easily gonna be way more obscure.
Could be worse, it's not like how the Genesis version of Virtua Fighter 2, easily the worst version of it, is the only one Sega bothers with. Now that's a much more egregious situation!
Could be worse, it's not like how the Genesis version of Virtua Fighter 2, easily the worst version of it, is the only one Sega bothers with. Now that's a much more egregious situation!
It used to be that the Saturn version was widely accepted as being the best.
You get proper analog control, significantly greater color depth, better special stages, and while I do like the Genesis soundtrack, I also genuinely think the Saturn version is better, for the most part. 3D Blast for the Genesis veers too close to sounding like Sonic 4 Episode 1 music (and an unused 3D Blast track from Senoue was actually recycled for Sonic 4)
You get proper analog control, significantly greater color depth, better special stages, and while I do like the Genesis soundtrack, I also genuinely think the Saturn version is better, for the most part. 3D Blast for the Genesis veers too close to sounding like Sonic 4 Episode 1 music (and an unused 3D Blast track from Senoue was actually recycled for Sonic 4)
Wait Blaze, 3D Boast Satu n has analog control? I've tried the NiGHTS pad with it before but didn't notice any different. japan only?
Never played the Saturn version unfortunately, but I would guess I'd prefer it just because of the better special stages, controls, and graphics. Both soundtracks are fine.
I'm pretty sure it does, yeah. I haven't tried it on my real Saturn in ages (not actually a fan of any version of 3D Blast) but I primarily remember Rlan telling me about it.
I don't have the Saturn on me ATM, but I might have it handy early next year. I'll try again for sure to see!
OT: any good recommendation for Saturn controller extension cables?
The Babylon Rogues and the avatar birds in Forces have led me to believe that birds just really don't look good in the Sonic style.
Also, only Wave being able to fly in the Riders games is just awful. I get it from a gameplay standpoint but why make a trio of birds and have only one of them fly?
Also, only Wave being able to fly in the Riders games is just awful. I get it from a gameplay standpoint but why make a trio of birds and have only one of them fly?
Also, no wings, either on their backs or for their arms; no talons for feet (only really relevant for the avatar birds, where you can wear sandals, as the Riders birds all have boots)... About the only thing "bird" about them are the beaks.
I mean, it was composed by Jun Senoue which is a pretty big red flag but I wouldn't go that far, it doesn't sound as squeaky and the actual compositions are much much better.
also the best 3d blast song is rusty ruins act 1 from the saturn no contest
Technically Senoue only did, like, Green Grove (both Acts), Spring Stadium (both Acts), Panic Puppet (Act 1), the Special Stage theme, one of the boss themes (the second one, I believe), the two dummied-out tracks (including the Sonic 4 track) and the overall theme of the game (title screen, invincibility, menu, etc.). Final Fight was by Masaru Setsumaru (who did some of the arrangements), while the credits theme was done by Seiroh Okamoto (arranged by Senoue). Everything else - including, frankly, all of the good tracks that aren't Green Grove or Panic Puppet 1 - was Tatsyuki Maeda.
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Yeah, Rusty Ruins, Diamond Dust, Volcano Valley, and Act 2 of Panic Puppet all have the best tracks in the Genesis version.
Fun Fact: I have a phobia of puppets so when I learned what the name of the last main zone was as a kid I was dreading it lol. I don't even get the name since they're weren't any puppets at all!
you've just made an enemy child. that song is like, the BEST
Yeah, sorry, Rusty Ruins Saturn is my biggest factor for preferring the Saturn soundtrack to the Genesis one. That piano/choir thing is really good.
Rusty Ruins Act 2 Saturn was the best song for that zone, but all four tracks are really good tbh
Yeah, birds really don't seem to work with designs too similar to Sonic
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I predict lots of good tidings and plenty of food for you, cooked by a special chef!
It's a long-running joke since I was born on Xmas
Was thinking about Forces recently and had a thought; perhaps it was scrapped and remixed together with previous assets in half the time and staff because the main team is working on a big tie-in game for the hybrid film coming out (next year? 2019?)
Could be possible they want to attempt a Ratchet and Clank style Game/Movie release.
Could be possible they want to attempt a Ratchet and Clank style Game/Movie release.
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It says a lot when Sony pictures, masterminds behind the Emoji Movie actually agrees and drops the project.
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if the movie actually ever sees the light of day, i might have to go underground for a few months
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Why couldn't they just make a good movie
or no movie at all
or have the actual literal in-house already made a bunch of Sonic short films SEGA studio do it
or no movie at all
or have the actual literal in-house already made a bunch of Sonic short films SEGA studio do it
I would be for a bunch of short films based around various characters that vary i length dependent on the character
But the answer to the movie question is simply, cash money.
I'm listening to a podcast about sonic forces, someone brought up a very good point
You don't fight zavok in sonic forces, you fight a giant Wasp, and zavok is just there....
You don't fight any of the characters in sonic forces actually besides eggman and infinite, when yo really think about the metal sonic and zavok fights.
What was the point of that entire plot
But the answer to the movie question is simply, cash money.
I'm listening to a podcast about sonic forces, someone brought up a very good point
You don't fight zavok in sonic forces, you fight a giant Wasp, and zavok is just there....
You don't fight any of the characters in sonic forces actually besides eggman and infinite, when yo really think about the metal sonic and zavok fights.
What was the point of that entire plot
You will get nothing and they will continue to snub her and her world and you will like it
And marine, who's marine. We have this new character named sticks
By the way, I learned apparently a lot of people don't like sticks at all... ok didn't know that. Apparently she's really annoying to many. I thought she was ok , but alright
And marine, who's marine. We have this new character named sticks
By the way, I learned apparently a lot of people don't like sticks at all... ok didn't know that. Apparently she's really annoying to many. I thought she was ok , but alright
I believe Marza is working on the thing in conjunction with Sony
Fingers crossed for something decent. No reason it has to be bad, the Unleashed stuff was great.
Looks like I made a lot of friends with that post. :^)
It's the same reason why you have characters like Silver, the Chaotix, and Rouge despite them not doing anything of worth. Sonic Team wanted to please everyone...
It's the same reason why you have characters like Silver, the Chaotix, and Rouge despite them not doing anything of worth. Sonic Team wanted to please everyone...
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HOT TAKE HOLD ON TO YOUR BUTTS
SONIC 4 Episode I in no way is comparable to the classic, but is under-rated and a good game.
I've watched a few episodes of Boom since it went on Netflix and have found her to be a little predictable and obnoxious to be honest.
But that's kind of like my impression of the entire Boom cast to a degree. I am hopeful that the writing improves because there are some genuinely funny moments once or twice per episode that make me chuckle. I think it's at its strongest when it's subverting the expectations of the Sonic franchise. Like when Eggman moves in with them because his base got blown up, or Sonic is looking for a new Sidekick. It kind of flat lines when it tries to do 'character' stories in the 'world'.
SONIC 4 Episode I in no way is comparable to the classic, but is under-rated and a good game.
I've watched a few episodes of Boom since it went on Netflix and have found her to be a little predictable and obnoxious to be honest.
But that's kind of like my impression of the entire Boom cast to a degree. I am hopeful that the writing improves because there are some genuinely funny moments once or twice per episode that make me chuckle. I think it's at its strongest when it's subverting the expectations of the Sonic franchise. Like when Eggman moves in with them because his base got blown up, or Sonic is looking for a new Sidekick. It kind of flat lines when it tries to do 'character' stories in the 'world'.
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I think I like the idea of sticks, more than sticks or rather more than how she was implimented
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The writing gets a little better over time but not much. To try keep it short sonic boom has two main issues, wanting to be inline with the main sonic franchise and also not be that and thus having characters who are clearly based on other versions of themselves ( knuckles and shadow ) who end up kind of bad most of the time because the characters don't have like the context/backstory those two have so they come off like weird...clones of the real characters spouting likes for no reason. Issue number two, which combines with issue number one in a nice mess is the writing's staff's inability to just write stories. Stories in the show will often make fun of itself or go through round about bullshit ways to tell a story instead of telling an actual story. They feel like they need throw jokes in places when in reality, lets say in the hypothetical cases of Knuckles and Shadow having an episode kind of just establishing who they are and what they are about and not trying to shove jokes everywhere might would have benefited the show greatly.
A lot of people complain that the people who hate sonic boom only want action sonic and don't like the funny buisness. And i'm sure there are some people like that, and they have a right to their opinion. But i'm not... I don't mind if you make a jokey sonic show, I mean I might mind now because... i'm a bit tired of it. But at the time... sure fuck it sounds fun. I just wanted them to actually sort of commit to these being whole different versions of the characters. Instead of the characters having noting to work with because they need to be similar to the other versions. For Sonic, Eggman, Tails and amy that works because their " back stories are so simple you can kinda warp it into whatever" but knuckles and shadow's behavior have mitigating factors outside of themselves that cause of they are. And to be honest it happens with the characters that work, particuarly for Sonic and Amy, I kinda wish sonic was more of a dick. I kind of feel there are plenty of plots in the show that sort of reel back because sonic needs to be a hero, because normal sonic is a hero. I wouldn't mind this version being kind of a dick more often, and it works with his personality and there are plenty of times where amy kind of seems like she would work better as a sisterly character in the show instead of occasional romantic interest in their interactions, but they have to be like old amy so yeah.
So you have a show with people writing who don't want to or don't care to or actually can't ( because it was leaked out that apparently sega restricted giving characters back story and more shit in the rise of lyric development especially sonic ) actually write stories that establishes these characters to make the humor actually work to endear us to these people. And because of that the characters just come off as these were empty husks that vaguely look like lanky sonic characters with sports tape spouting likes about health care that are supposed to be funny I guess.
And I don't want indepth lore, something that fits ya know? My friend saw shadow saw his design and went " His gear looks clean, what if he was some spoiled rich bratty kid like batman with dead parents and he's pompous dick because of it " bam have a short episode about that, kind of have a sad part, its still generally funny and endears us to the character. But they don't this, they don't do this for... anyone, they are supposed to be just vaguely reminiscent of characters we know, but just enough so when people actually criticize the quality of the writing ( or lack their of in some cases ) , you can break out the excuse " well they aren't the same characters" instead of actually looking at why the writing in the show and its set up isn't great in general
I didn't want world class writing ,but cartoons don't exist in a vaccume and cartoons, especially on cartoon network have gotten particularly good at telling character stories. I think speaks to how, simple the concept is that there is another show about technicolor animals in a group going on adventures that do this all the time, even with background people and it works and endears them to the characters and increases merch sales every time they do it. So not only is it bad for writing, its bad for business.
So I guess that's my peice on sonic boom I guess, its okish, you can get a few chuckles. But that's all you will get, then the question is " why am I still watching this "
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The writing gets a little better over time but not much. To try keep it short sonic boom has two main issues, wanting to be inline with the main sonic franchise and also not be that and thus having characters who are clearly based on other versions of themselves ( knuckles and shadow ) who end up kind of bad most of the time because the characters don't have like the context/backstory those two have so they come off like weird...clones of the real characters spouting likes for no reason. Issue number two, which combines with issue number one in a nice mess is the writing's staff's inability to just write stories. Stories in the show will often make fun of itself or go through round about bullshit ways to tell a story instead of telling an actual story. They feel like they need throw jokes in places when in reality, lets say in the hypothetical cases of Knuckles and Shadow having an episode kind of just establishing who they are and what they are about and not trying to shove jokes everywhere might would have benefited the show greatly.
A lot of people complain that the people who hate sonic boom only want action sonic and don't like the funny buisness. And i'm sure there are some people like that, and they have a right to their opinion. But i'm not... I don't mind if you make a jokey sonic show, I mean I might mind now because... i'm a bit tired of it. But at the time... sure fuck it sounds fun. I just wanted them to actually sort of commit to these being whole different versions of the characters. Instead of the characters having noting to work with because they need to be similar to the other versions. For Sonic, Eggman, Tails and amy that works because their " back stories are so simple you can kinda warp it into whatever" but knuckles and shadow's behavior have mitigating factors outside of themselves that cause of they are. And to be honest it happens with the characters that work, particuarly for Sonic and Amy, I kinda wish sonic was more of a dick. I kind of feel there are plenty of plots in the show that sort of reel back because sonic needs to be a hero, because normal sonic is a hero. I wouldn't mind this version being kind of a dick more often, and it works with his personality and there are plenty of times where amy kind of seems like she would work better as a sisterly character in the show instead of occasional romantic interest in their interactions, but they have to be like old amy so yeah.
So you have a show with people writing who don't want to or don't care to or actually can't ( because it was leaked out that apparently sega restricted giving characters back story and more shit in the rise of lyric development especially sonic ) actually write stories that establishes these characters to make the humor actually work to endear us to these people. And because of that the characters just come off as these were empty husks that vaguely look like lanky sonic characters with sports tape spouting likes about health care that are supposed to be funny I guess.
And I don't want indepth lore, something that fits ya know? My friend saw shadow saw his design and went " His gear looks clean, what if he was some spoiled rich bratty kid like batman with dead parents and he's pompous dick because of it " bam have a short episode about that, kind of have a sad part, its still generally funny and endears us to the character. But they don't this, they don't do this for... anyone, they are supposed to be just vaguely reminiscent of characters we know, but just enough so when people actually criticize the quality of the writing ( or lack their of in some cases ) , you can break out the excuse " well they aren't the same characters" instead of actually looking at why the writing in the show and its set up isn't great in general
I didn't want world class writing ,but cartoons don't exist in a vaccume and cartoons, especially on cartoon network have gotten particularly good at telling character stories. I think speaks to how, simple the concept is that there is another show about technicolor animals in a group going on adventures that do this all the time, even with background people and it works and endears them to the characters and increases merch sales every time they do it. So not only is it bad for writing, its bad for business.
So I guess that's my peice on sonic boom I guess, its okish, you can get a few chuckles. But that's all you will get, then the question is " why am I still watching this "
As somebody who went back to Sonic 4 Ep 1 as part of writing/producing a Sonic Mania video review that still isn't done, I can definitely say it's not underrated at all
It is turds in a blender, forever
It is turds in a blender, forever