You could try typing in transgendered comedian in Google, I am sure there is more than a few results that pop up. I know I have both enjoyed and cringed at Jaye Mcbride's comedy and she is speaking as a trans woman, but she is super dry and gallows.
Btw, those 2 Chappelle Netflix specials are up
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You could try typing in transgendered comedian in Google, I am sure there is more than a few results that pop up. I know I have both enjoyed and cringed at Jaye Mcbride's comedy and she is speaking as a trans woman, but she is super dry and gallows.
Do you really, honestly, genuinely believe that his joke about Jenner posing nude was in any way a commentary on "the media and how they put Jenner on a pedestal and made her into a 'face of the movement' simply because of her fame, while transgender people of color were around in the spotlight long before her and were and are infinitely more engaged with the community."? Because that is a far, far, far fucking reach.
"… fuck it, I'll just say it for everybody else; YUCK!"
"I dunno why you're gonna cram some man-pussy in the middle of the sports page like this."
"I hope she spreads her lips and there's an itty-bitty dick inside - AAAAAAAAHHHH!"
Jenner being the subject of a joke does not automatically make that joke a commentary on those things I described. The special being about white privilege does not make any joke told during it automatically a commentary on white privilege. This was no commentary. It was a crass joke based in transphobic ideas.
His line about Ali and Jenner clearly was meant to be about white privilege, yet ignored that there is so very much more at play here than just white privilege. It was entirely reductive. And you know what, perhaps if the context was there, I wouldn't have had as much issue with that comment. I understand that you can't explain everything in detail all the time in these types of settings. I get that these types of reductive statements are like that because they can sometimes help make a clearer point about a specific element rather than the whole. And in this case, it is intended to be about white privilege. I get that. But the context it was placed in was crass trans 'jokes' and a rant about how the transgender community are 'bitch-ass niggas' who 'hate' him. And in that context, it becomes more than 'just' a comment on white privilege to me. The context it was placed in diminished the point he was trying to make.
The Dolezal bit is again a matter of context. I have no issue with the specific part you quote there. But he didn't stick with that part. He followed that up with a lazy 'cut their dicks off' joke about transgender people. The entire bit was in the context of a preceding statement that the trans community supposedly 'hates' him - a statement he concluded his rant about 'sensitive bitch-ass niggas with brittle ears' with. Chappelle bringing up Dolezal in a bit about transgender people is in itself a sign to me that he does not understand why she is so harmful to that community. After making a bit more fun of Dolezal - something I fully support! - he just moves on to the transgender community again, leading into the above 'man-pussy' stuff.
And where did he even once allude to trans people of color and the work they have done, or the violence they face?
So what part of what you quoted is 'exactly what he did' exactly?
Because I saw him do none of it. If I'm being generous, I can admit that I see that he tried to breach some of those topics - but even then I still feel he failed in execution.
And if it was just that, I wouldn't have taken issue with that statement. If it had been in the proper context, I wouldn't have made that comment. Hell, I didn't even bring up this specific line in any of my posts on these specials, because I get what he is trying to say with it - my main issue is with the context around it. I said as much in the first sentence of the post you are quoting. I expanded on that in my response to to ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ above.
And by 'context' I don't just mean the context of this one special, but also his previous material about transgender people, and his reaction in this special to the criticisms he received for that.
I'm confused. Where did I say white privilege did not exist or had no effect on the movement or the public perception of it?
Please read my above response to ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ and explain to me what part of it is 'a blatant goddamn lie'.
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Yes, it is commentary that jenner, became this faux icon for transgendered because of the white privilege. Is this some secret?
This post is such disingenuous bullshit and you know it. Blatant trolling.I know you can't possibly believe that the "man pussy" joke is some genius commentary on white privilege, because if you did, you'd have to be fucking braindead, and clearly you have the ability to form complete sentences.
And when the fuck did that poster ever say Dave is obligated to comment on trans women of color because he's black? YOU are the one making his entire thing, including his transphobic bullshit about race. You're the one using someone's race to excuse their transphobia. When you can use his race to your advantage, it's totally okay, right? "Oh! His ENTIRE act is about white privilege. Every joke that you THINK is really targeted at you is just actually about white privilege. So if you have any problems at all, just remember, Dave is black so he MUST be talking about white privilege 100% of the fucking time. But YOU are a bad person because you think he should talk about trans women of color despite taking time out to make fun of trans people." THAT'S what's fucked up.
I know you don't ACTUALLY think this though, because again, that would make you fucking brain dead. What you're REALLY obviously doing is the very popular conservative tactic of turning around accusations to change the conversation. "No, maybe YOU'RE just racist. Let's waste time talking about that now so I don't have to argue against me being a soul-less fucking monster that refuses to have empathy because I think trans people are FUNNY to make fun of, and I don't give a single fucking shit that these jokes contribute to them being hated and murdered on a daily basis, and I will defend that belief no matter how awful it makes me look because I know most people are on my side!"
I don't even agree with every word Llyrwenne is saying but man.
You people never fucking stop. You just absolutely refuse to have any empathy at all.There's really nothing else that can be said, is there?
If you or anyone else wants to respond with "well if you act so aggressive you'll push people awaaaaayyyybbblllahblahblaaah". I really don't give a single fuck. You people have made it completely clear that there is absolutely no argument, no appeal to humanity or decency, that will dig you out of the depth of your hate and apathy.
And I will still be able to say I have more respect for Dave Chapelle for at least trying instead of throwing out bullshit, disingenuous obvious trolling.
I'm not religious, but if a hell exists, I hope you end up there. If you absolutely refuse, if you have to just continue to dig your heels and REFUSE to have any empathy for us, then I have none to spare for you.
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Uhhh. I can tell you're not trans. I'm cackling tbh.
Name change is one thing. Getting your gender marker changed is another. Some states, like mine, (mostly) do not allow you to get both the name and the marker changed at the same time. This means you'll have an ID that says [girl name] with a Male gender marker. Anyone who you show your ID can abuse this to be discriminatory, especially police. And here's the rub, sometimes getting the marker changed can be tough. Over here in my state, one of the best ways to get the marker changed is by paying a premium fee of about 1000 + dollars to get your marker changed when visiting a trans judge who takes advantage of the fact that people are willing to pay for such a thing. The fact we are willing to pay that fee should tell you everything. But this also prices a lot of people out. This is without mentioning changing your documents on social security card, something a lot of jobs require. Good way to out yourself when the state makes it literally impossible to get a document like that changed and you live in a Trump federal gov. It's easier to get your name changed to be true. But let's not pretend that every state is like California. TBH you come across as disingenuous because you're arguing things you're barely knowledgeable about much less don't know the fear of handing a police officer an ID with a M on it. Fuck outta here.
Well I apologize if I'm incorrect. Just seemed to be quite ignorant of the overall process.
Doesn't give you a say in whether someone's trans or not. Just... gross.
Not good enough with that non-apology, you don't do that shit period.
you don't get to decide who is trans or not in the first place. You should know how hurtful it is to say to anyone trans "you aren't trans" is in the first place.
Just cause someone maybe ignorant on issues affecting trans people from your perception doesn't mean they arent trans. So many children, tweens, teenagers, young adults and even older trans people who are just realising who they are are starting their journey of learning all these things about living as trans.
Your sweeping generalisation was petty and childish.
It really is disgusting to see you trying to gate keep who is or isn't trans.
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