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Television Displays and Technology Thread: The ERA of OLED is Now
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For 6 years now, though? They are playing the long game with these gimmick TVs for awhile:
2012 - "Talk to your TV!"
2013 - "Curved TVs!"
2014 - "Curved 4K TVs!"
2015 - "Quantum Dots!"
2017 - "QLED!"
That is a massive assumption to make, IMO. The more logical solution is they don't have something that can compete head to had to OLED and need to create marketing stuff for production TVs that will compete.
mLED sounds great - they also spent 30 seconds on it and it isn't even a commercially viable thing right now. When their TV line comes out with it, I will be impressed but I think there is a very obvious reason there is no news on their TV line up this year - they don't have anything innovative this year.
Looks like the X800D successor is now here at 43'' with the X850F...
Features 4K HDR Processor X1.
This means you'll definitely see expanded nit brightness and color accuracy. If Samsung fixes their 2017 nit brightness mess they'll recapture that KS8000 momentum. I need to see and hear about the full lineups quickly.
Features 4K HDR Processor X1.
This means you'll definitely see expanded nit brightness and color accuracy. If Samsung fixes their 2017 nit brightness mess they'll recapture that KS8000 momentum. I need to see and hear about the full lineups quickly.
They have something better for those with 146" spaces to fit a TV and tens of thousands to spend. Seriously, there's still a lot to figure out with MicroLED, namely how to get 4K resolution at a size people can fit in their home at a price they can afford.
That doesn't sound like a failure as x900e got rave reviews for pretty much everything outside of the Android OS and dolby vision which using the X1 Extreme should address. Hopefully more dimming zones and and higher nit output. Crossing my fingers at better pricing but its already priced right in between the budget models and higher-end leds
It's a failure if it's like that because it means that your 2018 flagship lcd is barely better than a mid tier of last year and worse than the 2017 and 2016 flagships.
The x900e has like 45 dimming zone which is kind of a joke. This year's Sony output is kinda like last year's Samsung one if i'm right and that's all they have to show.
As if you can just whip out a new display tech and then have it be price and performance competitive with what is out there. This mLED stuff is just marketing nonsense to grab attention. Happens all the time at CES.
Yeah that was my first thought too lol. I'm curious about the price because once they do give us that DV update I know I won't be able to help but start to compare players/prices that can do it later this year lol.
What Samsung has for this year? Outside their very dubious mled which could stand for marketing LED
MicroLED has been around for a while. It's finally reaching a point to where they can manufacture it reliably, which is what Samsung was showcasing with The Wall. I can absolutely see it over taking OLED since the peak nits is supposed to be significantly higher.
Sony could also sell their CLEDIS if they want to but who on earth could buy it.
You won't be able to buy a TV fully HDMI 2.1 compliant until Q2 2019 so that's not ready "around the corner". IMO the improvements in 2.1 are very nice, but I wouldn't call it huge. That's just me.
Sure. I do think Samsung is planning on bringing microLED as their answer to OLED in the next couple years with standard sizes like 55, 65 and so on.
Which none of the current game consoles can support.
2.1 is a 2020 thing.
Remains to be seen how that can be accomplished. Problem with their modular design is every module has it's own resolution meaning you need a certain number of modules to reach 4K resolution. Right now, 146" is the smallest design they can use to create 4K. It's certainly more than a couple years off.
There are different degrees.
- Something like the change from 60Hz fixed refresh to 120Hz variable refresh is huge. NTSC has been 60Hz since the 1940s. It may not have made it in 2018, but should arrive next year.
- 10x higher peak brightness levels is very significant for HDR, and could also enable things like better strobed modes to improve motion handling for all media. But affordable consumer µLED displays are likely 5+ years away, so I would not suggest waiting for one.
- LG's OLED changes from 2016-2018 have all been relatively minor. Newer models are better, but not significantly so. Going from ~125 to ~150 nits full-screen brightness, and eliminating the ABL when set below that, is tiny in comparison.
But there are many good reasons to wait for 2019 TVs if buying a TV is a rare occurrence.
I did not expect to be keeping my current TV for 7+ years now, but there's been absolutely nothing for me which justifies the cost of upgrading since then. I regret having saved a little money to buy the 46" model rather than the 52" one back then, and would much rather wait and buy a high-end TV that will last a similar length of time.
Ultimately, it's mostly motion-handling which matters for me, and it was not until Sony's OLED last year with 60Hz Black Frame Insertion that I would have even considered buying an OLED.
But there are still far too many limitations, and too few manufacturers that care about good motion clarity without using interpolation.
That isn't really what I was replying to though.
For PC users it's a more immediate benefit of course. X1X just needs a patch apparently as well.
It does support VRR.
No 2.1 just means it won't support HFR material but that's for PCs.
Ah, yes, I did read that. I didn't hear they were planning on patching it in.
Well I don't know if it's enabled by default or will require a patch honestly, but VRR will be a benefit to those players regardless.
i dont think any 2018 sets announced so far support it
maybe for the superbowl? it seems to be selling well though and always sold out on amazon. maybe when the new 6 series is out?
Samsung showed off their new LCD that supports VRR it's not HDMI 2.1 but still supports the tech.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19g9peb_IXU
In other news AMD will be adding VRR support in future driver update for RX GPU's.
https://overclock3d.net/news/gpu_di..._a_future_driver_update/1#.WlOqL42pHqo.reddit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19g9peb_IXU
In other news AMD will be adding VRR support in future driver update for RX GPU's.
https://overclock3d.net/news/gpu_di..._a_future_driver_update/1#.WlOqL42pHqo.reddit
Id probably wait until 2020 because there will be more devices will be out to leverage HDMI 2.1 besides the tv. Unless PS5 is out in 2019.
Plus tvs will be one year further to maximize HDMI 2.1 spec.
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LG models are up on the site.
http://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-OLED77W8PUA-oled-4k-tv
http://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-OLED65E8PUA-oled-4k-tv
http://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-OLED77C8PUA-oled-4k-tv
http://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-OLED65B8PUA-oled-4k-tv
New models support 3D LUT Auto Cal for all modes including gaming.
https://referencehometheater.com/2018/commentary/what-is-a-3d-lut/
Does this really mean anything for anyone without a super expensive colorimeter and professionally priced software? Aka, anyone but an ISF certified calibrator.
No matter what people say here, i strongly believe that MLED Panels will be on the market till 2020. Samsung has an idea like killing OLED for a long time and MLED Panels are their Nukes to do It.
Edit- NOPE No 3D... that wording WAS JUST AT THE BOTTOM of the page... got too excited. :/
Was under this section at the bottom of the C8's page.
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Was under this section at the bottom of the C8's page.
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Not really. You're more likely to do more harm than good near-black with anything less than those Klein K10-A meters, which are about $7000. I would stick to the 10pt or 20pt calibration in the user menus if you're using anything less.
Even if it's just a case of them leaving the auto-cal procedure to do its thing, as a regular consumer I'd rather pay someone $300 to get it done as a one-time job, as long as the calibrator has one of those meters.
Once they started to become available about ten years ago, that was the point at which I stopped upgrading my own hardware kit. Even with an opportunity to get one below cost, the price was still too high for me to consider once I had stopped doing this sort of thing professionally.
I hope it is, but that seems unlikely.
LG models are up on the site.
http://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-OLED77W8PUA-oled-4k-tv
http://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-OLED65E8PUA-oled-4k-tv
http://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-OLED77C8PUA-oled-4k-tv
http://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-OLED65B8PUA-oled-4k-tv
New models support 3D LUT Auto Cal for all modes including gaming.
https://referencehometheater.com/2018/commentary/what-is-a-3d-lut/
This is HUGE. When I first saw HDTV Test video on the new Panasonics and them adding in a 2.5 IRE point I was super impressed. This has blown me away though. Being able to have a 3D LUT in a display that is for consumers and no longer needing an external box is amazing. The level of accuracy you should be able to get out of this should be insane. I'm sold. Looks like I'm buying another OLED this year and moving the E6 to the bedroom
Love the new Panasonic OLED design. Just a black monolith.
Does the fact that it's being displayed at CES mean it will be sold in the US?
No they always present at CES. They have the last 2 years shown their OLEDS and none came to US.
Yeah it is great news for anyone that has the software and meter even if you are not an ISF calibrator as well as for someone that gets their displays calibrated. You will also need a pattern generator though that can do DV, HLG, and HDR. So glad I have a Videoforge Pro. I luckily picked one up a few months ago. So I'm all set
Oh my god the E8 soundbar is so dope looking. That 65" is mine by summer.
Panasonic buys the models from LG.
You have a E7, do you have burn-ins? I'm sure you don't. I have a 2014 OLED, when the anti burnin technology was worse and I don't have any, nor do my 3 friends with 2015 oleds. Burn ins are not an issue.
Regarding Micro-Oled, we'll see in 4-5 years. If it's better than the OLEDs I'll buy one, but that won't make OLEDs look any worse, so enjoy your E7, which is fantastic ;)
You've misunderstood. I asked if Sony have dropped the edge lit 930e equivalent - meaning I know the 930e is edge lit and want to know if the equivalent in this price bracket or model number for 2018 is edge lit or not.
So I went back and checked, and sure enough the Apple TV 4K Netflix app dynamically fucked with the black levels (at least during my watching of Black Mirror - "Hang the DJ"). It was in Dolby Vision (Cinema) mode on my LG C7, and the letterbox was clearly shifting from pure black to mid-dark grey almost every camera angle change.
I immediately switched to the TV's native Netflix app with the same input settings (Dolby Vision - Cinema) and played the exact same scene, and maybe it barely went from pure black to dark, dark black. Or it didn't change at all and I was just seeing things.
Curious to see if it's the Apple TV 4K that's messing this up, or just the Netflix app.
I immediately switched to the TV's native Netflix app with the same input settings (Dolby Vision - Cinema) and played the exact same scene, and maybe it barely went from pure black to dark, dark black. Or it didn't change at all and I was just seeing things.
Curious to see if it's the Apple TV 4K that's messing this up, or just the Netflix app.
That's not true.
Samsung made OLED panels but their yields were not good enough. What that means is that too many of the panels that came out out of the assembly lines were defective. I believe between 30% and 50%
LG had the same issue but they pushed through and the secong generetion of panels the defective units were brought down to less than 30%..
Samsung tried but couldn't improve the yields, so they gave up.
Even then LG OLEDs were not profitable, but they stuck with it and this year will start to pay off.
Edit: That's also the reason I highly doubt the JOLED will be cheaper at launch. They lack the experience LG has, so will be at least 3-4 years bfr they can compete un price. And ofc LG can improve their yields on the meantime, like they supposedly did this yar with the opening of a new factory focused on the bigger 65" and 77" panels
Edit2: Apologies, I read "no point in making" instead of "no point in marketing". Answer still stands for the guy you quoted and was asking why Samsung doesn't make OLEDS.
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