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RalchAC

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Oct 27, 2017
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I used to draw and write short stories back in high school. Thinking about writing a graphic novel but I need help. I wanna learn Japanese and visit there too.

You could try to get back to those hobbies, and look for groups, courses and other stuff that gives them a more social side. In general, broading your horizons is always a good idea, to have a wider arrange of topics to talk to with other people.

You shouldn't really try to get into stuff you don't like though.

But there are a lot of activities where you can meet people, before you dive into the virtual dating world, which can seem a bit daunting at first if you are socially anxious.

Sports are another good way to meet new people.
 

Krauser Kat

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Oct 27, 2017
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I used to draw and write short stories back in high school. Thinking about writing a graphic novel but I need help. I wanna learn Japanese and visit there too.
Most major cities have groups for zine creators, or artists that you can go to drink and draw. All of them are usually nice. You can try finding one on facebook or meetup
 

Subpar Scrub

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Man, sit down. Me and Auctopus clearly know each other.

A bit hard to tell, tbh. There's been a few... unsavoury posters come through here.

Subpar Scrub A lot of things. Let's start with the obvious, fear of rejection. I spend more time thinking about it than actually doing. I also don't have many opportunities to meet someone. (My friends won't help me with that either. gotta get that puss tho, right b0ss? /s)
I don't know what to look for in a partner, so it makes it harder; My criteria have changed a lot too. I don't drive so I can't meet up unless someone picks me up. I also worry about my interactions with women because...well, you know. I have two crazy women in my life (mom and grandma) kinda put me off of dating. If I don't meet anyone like them I'll be good.

Social anxiety plays a role too...

1. The social anxiety thing is something which will hopefully get better with experience. It's hard to get yourself out there and amongst a crowd, so try to go to events with people you know, so that you can interact without feeling overwhelmed and always have a "safe" group to go back to. Sounds like your friends aren't being good friends, so if you're not going out to meet potential partners, you should be looking for new friends at least. Honestly, my advice in that regard is just me making a bunch of assumptions as I have no real idea as to the severity of your anxiety and I'm not a therapist or anything.

2. The fear of rejection is something which is valid and understandable, but it's often built up to be worse in your head than it would ever realistically be. You admitted it yourself with your "Thinking about it more than actually doing it" stuff.

Remember the following: If I ask her out, the answer will be yes or no. If I don't, the answer is always no. Also, the sting of rejection lasts short while, the regret of inaction lasts a lot longer.

3. What do you mean you don't know what to look for in a partner? Do you want someone who's funny, or smart, or shares particular interests/hobbies? It's not too hard to think about things you'd like your partner to have, just make sure to be realistic with your expectations and not build up a "perfect partner" in your head that no real person can compare to. Also, don't judge 3.5 billion women on the actions of your mother and grandmother. That's really unfair. We have a bunch of cool ladies in this very thread, so they're out there dude haha.

4. The car thing shouldn't matter much if you're in a major city with good public transport, but mentioning that someone would have to pick you up makes me doubt that. Maybe make obtaining a reliable form of transport your next goal? It's definitely an attractive trait.

Also, I agree on Krauser's advice. Drawing groups and other social gatherings that also allow you to hone your hobbies and skills are awesome.

I never said we were friends.

Ouch, that's brutal bruh.
 

Fauxpaw

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Oct 25, 2017
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Subpar Scrub A lot of things. Let's start with the obvious, fear of rejection. I spend more time thinking about it than actually doing. I also don't have many opportunities to meet someone. (My friends won't help me with that either. gotta get that puss tho, right b0ss? /s)
I don't know what to look for in a partner, so it makes it harder; My criteria have changed a lot too. I don't drive so I can't meet up unless someone picks me up. I also worry about my interactions with women because...well, you know. I have two crazy women in my life (mom and grandma) kinda put me off of dating. If I don't meet anyone like them I'll be good.

Social anxiety plays a role too...

Aside from going to anime conventions, I guess not.

As a social anxiety sufferer and dealing with rejection, I sometimes try to think, "So what?" It's surprisingly helpful, and reminds me that I really don't have much to worry about. And unfortunately, it can be difficult to know what sort of person you would like to date without actually dating. You have to get out there and socialize.

Working on your social anxiety will be one of the most important things to do in your life, honestly. I have missed out on and have held myself back from so many things because of my anxiety. Remember that it will be frustrating and difficult, but overall rewarding. It took therapy and SSRIs to really accelerate getting better. I also found this book very, very helpful when it came to communicating with people: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1572245921/?tag=era0f0-20

Any reason you don't drive? And is there good public transportation near you?

Anime conventions can be a great place to meet ladies. Like Potater said, you could try and find a meet-up happening at the convention (pretty easy, since there's usually Facebook groups, forums, etc where people communicate before even meeting). Do you enjoy books, comics, movies? All potential hobbies for meeting women. It also never hurts to try and start up a new hobby. If there's a hiking group, that's a great way to be around people with no distraction, and it's healthy! I sometimes find myself loosening up a lot more on hikes, because the physical activity 1.) Boosts those feel-good serotonin levels, and 2.) Wearing myself out means that it's more difficult for anxiety to take hold.

If you're in school, join a club. School is a valuable asset for meeting and dating. Don't squander it! I'm terrible at making new friends, but I've met two awesome new people within the last two years just from classes.

Also anxiety comes from lack of experience.

I just have to add not always. All my jobs have required being sociable, and while the practice has helped tremendously, I still find my anxiety creeping in, and feeling like I'm wearing a mask of sorts. Overall though, lack of experience does make the anxiety worse.

So I went on a first date with a girl from tinder yesterday, met in a nice area with many small bars in alleys.
We met around 9:20pm and stayed for about 2 hours cause she said she had to wake up early tomorrow.
Anyway, I couldn't read her too clearly and didn't feel as if we really had a connection, but I gave her a ride home at the end and we kissed for a lil bit before she got out of the car (she lives with 6 other people in her apartment, including a roomate so no way I'm getting invited over there).

Two questions:
1. Would you consider a date successful if it ended in kissing even though I myself didn't think our chemistry was very good?
2. Would you guys suggest texting her something like "i had a good time/nice meeting you" and setting up a 2nd date already for the weekend?

I do want a second meeting but I felt like she didn't really open up, but maybe just because it was a first date or something.

1.) Not necessarily. I've read countless dates here that end in a kiss or making out, and it doesn't go anywhere.
2.) Yeah, I think it's worth it if you do. First dates can be awkward. If she doesn't really open up any more, then eh, I say it might not be worth it after that.
 
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Fear of rejection can be overcome with, well, rejection, in my experience. Get out there and just try for the experience. The more times you're rejected the less it will sting. The better you will get at asking people out.

I remember building up the courage to ask a crush out over a long period of time and the rejection would crush me. Of course I feared rejection, I built it up as this big thing, this investment. Now if I meet someone I like, I don't waste too much time in letting them know. I can't deny I'm still a little fearful of rejection but it's kind of like a needle now. If they say no, it's a poke and it's over. And I feel better for putting myself out there than never knowing.
 
Nov 17, 2017
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I've had some pretty fucking embarrassing failures when it comes to dating that had me feeling awful. But kind of glad they happened in a funny way since I learned from them and learned about myself.

If you're just sitting there afraid of rejection, just make a small goal for yourself to ask someone out or even just talk to them. Getting rejected in that context would still be a step forward.
 
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Gotdatmoney

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Oct 28, 2017
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I'm pretty sure I fucked up.

I've been in a friends-with-benefits thingy with one of my colleagues from work. This has been going on since october or so. It started off slow but we got to a point where we would hang out at least once or twice a week. We also text on a daily basis. We share a lot of stuff with eachother too. All in all, we are like boyfriend and girlfriend... except we aren't.

Now this is where my feelings come and fuck shit up. She told me from the start that she isn't looking for a relationship. She's had enough of those due to some past experiences. I thought that would be fine. I wasn't really looking for a relationship myself anyway. But the more I see her, the more I love her. And now... I actually think I do love her. It's gone beyond just sex.

Yesterday, we went to the cinema. Afterwards, we went drinking. She noticed I was calmer than usual and asked me what's up. I just spilled the beans and told her I'm starting to develop feelings for her even though I am trying to suppress them. She immediately held both her hands against her face and said she doesn't want to be mean. That she doesn't want to hurt me because she likes me. It was a bit awkward after that and we were both tired from a long day so I dropped her off at her car.

Right before she left my car, I told her "I hope what I said doesn't ruin things" and she responded with "I need to think about all of this". I won't lie, I was kinda upset and angry. I got out of there as fast as I could. She seemed to have noticed that because when I got home she texted me asking if I'm alright because she saw me speeding. I was a bit petty so I didn't reply right away.

This afternoon, I finally answered her with "i'm fine". She then said I'm obviously angry. I denied to which she just said "ok". I didn't like the direction our conversation was going so I apologized by saying the following:

"It was my mistake to react like that. I caught feelings for you and that's my business. You tolde at the start you don't want a relationship so that's my fault. If you want some space now, I understand."

Her last reply:

"I think it's you who needs the space. It's really frustrating when you have such big feelings for someone. I didn't even knew how deep it was until a fellow colleague told me about it."

She went to sleep (it was 2am) but I'm still awake at 4:25am right now because I feel like I just ruined a pretty good fbw situation by going all serious and shit. At the same time, I felt like I couldn't ignore my feelings any longer... it's just a shit situation all around. I honestly feel like this is the end and I don't know what else I should do.

I guess (?) I should just give her some time. Not talk to her for a few days. Maybe she'll have a change of heart. Or maybe that's just me having false hope. I really don't know anymore. These last few months were some of the best of my life.

Cut your losses fam. You had fun. It was good while it lasted but she aint down like that so you just gotta move on. Be nice at work, do not engage at all outside of work.
 

Gotdatmoney

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Oct 28, 2017
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Fear of rejection can be overcome with, well, rejection, in my experience. Get out there and just try for the experience. The more times you're rejected the less it will sting. The better you will get at asking people out.

I remember building up the courage to ask a crush out over a long period of time and the rejection would crush me. Of course I feared rejection, I built it up as this big thing, this investment. Now if I meet someone I like, I don't waste too much time in letting them know. I can't deny I'm still a little fearful of rejection but it's kind of like a needle now. If they say no, it's a poke and it's over. And I feel better for putting myself out there than never knowing.

Yeah, the reality of the situation is that nothing ventured, nothing gained. Rejection gets easier if you expose yourself to it and learn that "hey, its not the end of the world if someone tells me no".

Once you get over that then its not really a big deal. It still sucks a bit to get a no (because who likes getting a no about anything they want) but it isn't soul crushing.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I want to start dating in the new year - someone give me a tutorial

Starting from scratch, or do you have some dating experience?

Dating is just going out with more women, with some eye on romantic interest and physical progression. If you haven't dated, like, at all, you probably have been in a situation with a fucked up gender ratio or are too much of a shut in. Get out and meet people by being more active and taking hobbies that will put you in close interaction with more women on a daily basis. It will drastically lower the barriers to talking to more women, which will lower the barriers to getting the dates, which will lower the barrier to getting laid, etc. and so on.

Dating and relationships are a pyramid that build off of the previous layer, and each layer can be expanded by numbers and skill/quality.
 
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Jovo

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Oct 25, 2017
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I just dealt with this earlier today and had to figure it out too. For some damn reason it's not actually in the "messages" section. I found it on their profile. During the swiping portion the bottom right picture wasn't a picture but a thing saying they sent a message. So I went to their profile and found the message just under their pictures but before the "about me" section.

To finish the story the message was disjointed and full of spelling and grammatical errors and their profile was just bizarre on several levels so I swiped left. Not sure what was going on there. It seemed like a nine year old hijacked their account or something.

Ok thanks, this is what I thought would happen, but when I was swiping I didn't see any profiles indicating a message was sent. I don't think their new system is very well thought out.
 

Alek

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Oct 28, 2017
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Yeah, the reality of the situation is that nothing ventured, nothing gained. Rejection gets easier if you expose yourself to it and learn that "hey, its not the end of the world if someone tells me no".

Once you get over that then its not really a big deal. It still sucks a bit to get a no (because who likes getting a no about anything they want) but it isn't soul crushing.

I find it's not just about the fear of rejection with women but the fear of failure in life generally. It's better if you can let go of your inhibitions.

One of the things that helped me with that as a kid was skating, getting used to falling over in public if I made a mistake. It helped me not care about what people think, or whether I fail.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEhoc_zGeN0

Will Smith's advice is somewhat generic in that video, but it's pretty on point. You have to live at the edge of your capabilities, at the point where you feel uncomfortable, because that's how you grow and adapt.
 

Alek

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I was raised as a Jehovahs Witness and had to do that door to door stuff with my parents when I was a kid. Im used to rejection.

Yeah that's what I mean, you don't just have to date a shit load of women to get used to rejection, there's loads of things you can do to get used to failure very quickly, and it can help build a lot of confidence.

Being a charity worker, is another example. People ignore you for days.
 

Gotdatmoney

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Oct 28, 2017
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I find it's not just about the fear of rejection with women but the fear of failure in life generally. It's better if you can let go of your inhibitions.

One of the things that helped me with that as a kid was skating, getting used to falling over in public if I made a mistake. It helped me not care about what people think, or whether I fail.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEhoc_zGeN0

Will Smith's advice is somewhat generic in that video, but it's pretty on point. You have to live at the edge of your capabilities, at the point where you feel uncomfortable, because that's how you grow and adapt.

It really depends imo. While I encourage people to be positive I do understand that an endless loop of failure is simply crushing. Being able to pick yourself up and start new and with fresh ideas and perspectives is important. But there is a realistic point where I think its valid for people to need a win notched on their belt to help them feel good.

Continuously failing when you're putting in all the work really does suck in the worst way.
 

Ralemont

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Jan 3, 2018
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I'm pretty sure I fucked up.

You didn't. The FWB didn't end when you told her your feelings, it ended when you developed feelings, just not officially. Once one or both parties feels something, the casual sex thing simply won't work anymore. And I would say that keeping it in and continuing to have sex with her while hoping it transforms into something else is neither fair to you nor her. You did the right thing: fwb situations are by nature temporary.
 

LookAtMeGo

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Oct 25, 2017
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a parallel universe
All my FWB situations have ended with at least one of us catching some feels. The workplace ones are the worst. Im so bad for that. The not getting involved with coworkers is good advice. I just ignore good advice sometimes.
 

Ralemont

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Jan 3, 2018
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All my FWB situations have ended with at least one of us catching some feels. The workplace ones are the worst. Im so bad for that. The not getting involved with coworkers is good advice. I just ignore good advice sometimes.

For FWB, I agree. It's not worth having casual sex with coworkers.

For dating/relationships, I actually have to go against the grain, having known many couples who met at work. It's a risk assessment, like many things in life. Sure, you could potentially make things very awkward in the workplace if things go south. worst case have to find another job. You could also marry her. Ironclad rules there simply don't make sense.
 

LookAtMeGo

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Oct 25, 2017
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For FWB, I agree. It's not worth having casual sex with coworkers.

For dating/relationships, I actually have to go against the grain, having known many couples who met at work. It's a risk assessment, like many things in life. Sure, you could potentially make things very awkward in the workplace if things go south. worst case have to find another job. You could also marry her. Ironclad rules there simply don't make sense.
Yeah I agree there. There are too many happy couples, a few who have got married here at my work to say its always a terrible idea. But yeah, just for casual sex its not really good since those rarely last. Its not that awkward for me tho. Any time I see someone Ive slept with I just give a smile and go about my business.

I work with 500 employees and its a big place so thats a little different than some smaller office job or something
 

Subpar Scrub

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WorldofMiku

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I'm always against FWB stuff. You'll never see me agreeing to it. Because you're at risk to fall in love with the other person and could end up horribly.

Coworker with benefits is even worse.
 

Alek

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It really depends imo. While I encourage people to be positive I do understand that an endless loop of failure is simply crushing. Being able to pick yourself up and start new and with fresh ideas and perspectives is important. But there is a realistic point where I think its valid for people to need a win notched on their belt to help them feel good.

Continuously failing when you're putting in all the work really does suck in the worst way.

You have to start seeing doing better as success. Take dating for instance, let's say you're an anxious person. If you find yourself really anxious on your first date with a girl, then if you can reduce that feeling of anxiety, and talk a little more freely, then that's a win. If you connect with the girl, that's a bonus, the point is that you're developing in a forward direction, you have to learn to take gratification from that.
 

Gotdatmoney

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You have to start seeing doing better as success. Take dating for instance, let's say you're an anxious person. If you find yourself really anxious on your first date with a girl, then if you can reduce that feeling of anxiety, and talk a little more freely, then that's a win. If you connect with the girl, that's a bonus, the point is that you're developing in a forward direction, you have to learn to take gratification from that.

No I agree with you. But tbh I wasn't even really thinking about dating when I typed that haha.
 

Jintor

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Oct 25, 2017
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uhhhhhh does okcupid app search function now have a 'she said no' section where it lists all the profiles that rejected you? lmao nice
 
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Jintor

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Oh I misinterpreted, it's telling you what people answered to whatever question you highlighted
 

Milennia

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ERA i am really bad at telling if people are married or not when asking people out, im bad at checking beforehand
in 3rd year college and shut down the last 3 direct times because of this, pretty sure 1 of them didnt have a ring either
 
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ERA i am really bad at telling if people are married or not when asking people out, im bad at checking beforehand
in 3rd year college and shut down the last 3 direct times because of this, pretty sure 1 of them didnt have a ring either
Just work in the question "Are you seeing anyone?" Into the conversation. I'm guessing your older if running into married people is a common problem for you.
 
Nov 17, 2017
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Any tips on introducing a date to your friends? Gonna be taking a girl i'm dating along to a event where some of my friends will be, just want to make it comfortable for her.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Had my second date last night, and as expected it went from decent into the shitter. Everything was fine till her ex husband showed up and raised a stink. Turns out hes not over her yet and has a bit of a stalker complex. Waited for a few minutes as they argued, then politely told her I had fun, but didn't need any drama like that in my life and excused myself. A shame to, as I was seriously enjoying talking to her.

Ah well, back to square 1 I guess.

Also, how the hell do people handle their pictures for dating sites? I only have a few pictures to use, and most of them are several years old or involve my ex.
 
Nov 17, 2017
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Easy this is my friend "Mrs Tiggywinkle" everybody will understand what friend means in that situation. One your official that's no longer a problem.
Sorry do you really mean that? I should introduce her as my friend? Now that I think about it, I should just introduce her by name and leave it at that.

Had my second date last night, and as expected it went from decent into the shitter. Everything was fine till her ex husband showed up and raised a stink. Turns out hes not over her yet and has a bit of a stalker complex. Waited for a few minutes as they argued, then politely told her I had fun, but didn't need any drama like that in my life and excused myself. A shame to, as I was seriously enjoying talking to her.

Ah well, back to square 1 I guess.

Also, how the hell do people handle their pictures for dating sites? I only have a few pictures to use, and most of them are several years old or involve my ex.
Holy crap. Her ex husband stalked and confronted you on your date?! I mean, you handled the situation best you could but wow that is insane. Sounds like something from a sitcom.

As for pictures, it sounds like you need to take new ones. If you're out with friends ask them to take a picture of you. Get a group photo with your pals. Make sure to take photos when you're traveling or at an event or activity. That's literally all my pictures are.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Sorry do you really mean that? I should introduce her as my friend? Now that I think about it, I should just introduce her by name and leave it at that.


Holy crap. Her ex husband stalked and confronted you on your date?! I mean, you handled the situation best you could but wow that is insane. Sounds like something from a sitcom.

As for pictures, it sounds like you need to take new ones. If you're out with friends ask them to take a picture of you. Get a group photo with your pals. Make sure to take photos when you're traveling or at an event or activity. That's literally all my pictures are.

No, her ex was stalking her, not me. Thank God.

Also, it's funny you assume I hang out with friends anywhere but in living rooms or basements doing something other than smoking and playing D&D. Which doesn't make for good pictures.