Shatner wrote books where Kirk was brought back to life my nanomachines or some bullshit.
We know that Frakes directed an episode of Discovery... really easy to have him slip on the Titan uniform!
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Star Trek Discovery |OT| To Boldly go into the new streaming era
- Thread starter berzeli
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We know that Frakes directed an episode of Discovery... really easy to have him slip on the Titan uniform!
The season finale of Discovery should just be them warping back to Prime, the spore drive totally fucks up, the ship implodes into Stamets' mind, and he finds himself in a clearing in the woods, surrounded by all the previous Star Trek captains in every movie and TV series, and then they all clap and go CONGRATULATIONS! Smash to credits.
Lots of shenanigans later, they get back to the Prime Universe.
"Captain Saru we are being hailed"
"This is Admiral Riker of the USS Titan"
CREDITS
Also first ep of Season 2 we see this all unfold from Riker's perspective, complete with TNG theme at the start = GOLD
It's been a short mycellium road.. gettin from there to here
It's been a short time
but it's time is finally near
and I can feel a change in the Tartigrade right now
nothing's in my way
and they're not gonna hold me down no more
no they're not gonna change my mind
cuz I got SPORES OF THE HEART
I'm goin where the plot will take me
I got SPORES to believe
I can appear... anywhere
It's been a short time
but it's time is finally near
and I can feel a change in the Tartigrade right now
nothing's in my way
and they're not gonna hold me down no more
no they're not gonna change my mind
cuz I got SPORES OF THE HEART
I'm goin where the plot will take me
I got SPORES to believe
I can appear... anywhere
Shatner wrote a series of books where Kirk is brought back to life after Star Trek Genesis by Borg and Romulan foolery. The books were literal mary sue fanfics with Kirk being the most awesome thing ever. I never finished the series, but I know at some point they went to the mirror universe, and I think the Borg Homeworld. I vaguely remember Borg dogs.
I'd go with Spores IN the heart.
I need this to happen. Or failing that mega crazy Riker from Borg invasion universe.
It's funny that Enterprise seems like master television compared to DIS right now. If you asked me just about three to five episodes previously I would've said DIS was the best first season of any Trek show.
It's be ironic if that were the case, because in the case of Enterprise Berman and Braga really wanted a very different prequel feel (at one point the first season would have been the ship actually getting off the ground) and it was the suits who demanded phasers and Star Trek Lite. Be funny if they demanded the opposite years later.
But yeah, the plotting of this show feels all over the place. No idea if it's because of the change in creative personnel but especially with the abbreviated season it feels like we've jumped from plot arc to plot arc like a kid with ADHD. We've had more arcs than a season of Agents of Shield with half the episodes, and nothing's actually been wrapped up.
Enterprise has season 3 for me... a masterful season, but the overall show ranks pretty meh for me in the majority sense
Discovery has been doing pretty decent for a first season for sure if I turn my brain off a bit and think of this show as what it really is... a remake/reboot borrowing ideas, but not adhering to canon... like Smallville for Superman or Gotham for Batman
Discovery has been doing pretty decent for a first season for sure if I turn my brain off a bit and think of this show as what it really is... a remake/reboot borrowing ideas, but not adhering to canon... like Smallville for Superman or Gotham for Batman
Well, Jonathan Frakes was one of the guests in the latest After Trek and Matt Mira has remarked that Riker is still in the USS Titan somewhere so we can get our hopes on that to happen for the time being, at least.
I honestly want this to be the fan theory that comes true the most. Though all of the ones that have come to pass had a shit load of foreshadowing and that has absolutely zero... so I am pretty sure it won't happen.
I don't follow speculation and theories for the show, so I basically had a pretty big OH SHIT moment just now. I'm not sure how sound everything is with the narratives consistency and logic, but I'm certainly invested.
What's the over-under on a new Captain altogether? Saru might not want the position and Burnham doesn't really deserve it yet.
Holy shit. I was definitely not expecting that twist with Lorca.
I also first thought when Stamets got off the table that it was our Stamets occupying his double's body. That would have been interesting.
Anyone know if they have plans on releasing this on UHD 4k Blu? I'll definitely pick up a copy if they do.
I also first thought when Stamets got off the table that it was our Stamets occupying his double's body. That would have been interesting.
Anyone know if they have plans on releasing this on UHD 4k Blu? I'll definitely pick up a copy if they do.
What if they used the Leia technology and CGed Young Riker's face onto some actor. "This is the USS PEGASUS". It's a TNG PREQUEL now!
Wow. Enterprise S1 would have been much better if it was just about building the ship and testing it out.
The weird thing is that the two arcs don't feel like they build on each other in a meaningful way, other than potential mirror universe clues in the first half (and Section 31 red herrings) leading to this arc in the second half. By the end of this, we won't have a captain, and we basically only have 3 known crew members besides Michael so it's not even clear what a second season would be if it was a direct continuation. Maybe the time jump cliffhanger ending is the only way to make this work, and would also explain why Spock never mentioned a sister.
They introduced the Defiant which has the time travel story hook. The current plan is for them to use the same method to escape back to Prime without the Spore Drive. So....
I thought the last episode implied that wouldn't be what they use since the crew of the Defiant went insane. I also thought that although the mycellium network was dying, it wasn't completely destroyed yet -- just the Discovery's spore supply was gone. So I'm assuming they use whatever Spores are left on the Charon where Mirror Stamets is for one last jump before the network is gone for good.
But hey, maybe you're right. I think this show has way more potential if it jumps post-Voyager than back to the pre-TOS era tbh. It would instantly become much more interesting and get away from skirting the edge of not being plausible in the canon. It would also be about the only thing that would reasonably allow Michael to quickly become Captain if it is suddenly hundreds of years later and the modern Federation doesn't care about her past charge...
They are gonna position Burnham as the captain, aren't they... to the surprise of no one. Holding out hope that they can come up with something more interesting.
Post-Voyager? I enjoy Disco and credit it for its guts so far, but post-Voyager would be a whole new level of "we don't give a fuck".
My excitement for that idea:
My excitement for that idea:
Post-Voyager? I enjoy Disco and credit it for its guts so far, but post-Voyager would be a whole new level of "we don't give a fuck".
My excitement for that idea:
It'd be better because even if they "don't give a fuck" or "respect" that era, it doesn't matter since it's completely uncharted territory and not "conflicting" with a ton of previously established series. There'd be a lot less complaints about those kinds of things. And frankly they would no longer be constrained by several things... of course if they want to keep the Klingons are evil thing going then I guess they can't do that.
Oh, to provide clarity, I'd love it if they ended up in the future. Sometimes the good shit comes from going all in, baby!
I like the idea of going so far in the future the federation has nearly collapsed and the state of the universe is way different.
Post voyager with the OP federation would be kinda boring.
Plus a crippled fed would give a reason why they would even use a 200 yo ship and crew.
They are gonna have to do something nutty for S2 tho.
That meant nothing. It was just idle conversation as he was referring to the books and just talking as a fan, including referencing the Shatnerverse novels. You'll never see an old Riker as Captain story.
Yes, masterclass television. Master of television. Just masterful television
I feel like I'm in the minority of fans who actually likes the TOS-era setting. I feel like it's not really been explored enough compared to the 21 series and 4 films of the TNG era, and I'm not particularly interested in seeing either an even more post-scarcity overpowered future federation, or seeing the writers tear that to pieces for the sake of Drama
But for my money Discovery will time travel when it returns to the Prime Universe... back to 1945. Aliens in Nazi Uniforms? Let me tell you about the Temporal Cold War.... (please no)
But for my money Discovery will time travel when it returns to the Prime Universe... back to 1945. Aliens in Nazi Uniforms? Let me tell you about the Temporal Cold War.... (please no)
The throwaway comment by the empress that use of the space that got the Defiant home caused a time anomaly got me thinking that they will need to use the same means to get home, somehow avoid going insane by doing so (like the Defiants crew did) and will end up in a different time period as a result. This would fit with the comment earlier in the thread about each season being set in a different time period?
So what happened to the other Lorca then from their own universe? Is he dead?
Cuz that would be a shame, Isaacs has been fantastic as the captain. To have him for only one season would be a waste, but if evil Lorca is a recurring villain then that would be okay. Burnham would be alright as captain in his stead.
Oh and please just kill Stamets already for the love of God. The worst actor on the show, with the wackest line delivery
That twist was cool I guess. I wasn't following this thread or getting smart with the clues so that took me by surprise (albeit with a bitter aftertaste since Lorca is no longer captain)
Klingon Tyler was stupid as shit tho tbh. They're doing too many evil twists with these characters
Cuz that would be a shame, Isaacs has been fantastic as the captain. To have him for only one season would be a waste, but if evil Lorca is a recurring villain then that would be okay. Burnham would be alright as captain in his stead.
Oh and please just kill Stamets already for the love of God. The worst actor on the show, with the wackest line delivery
That twist was cool I guess. I wasn't following this thread or getting smart with the clues so that took me by surprise (albeit with a bitter aftertaste since Lorca is no longer captain)
Klingon Tyler was stupid as shit tho tbh. They're doing too many evil twists with these characters
The TOS era is a restriction in a lot of ways. They can't utilize a bunch of later series inventions and conventions. The Klingon vs Federation war is also pretty played out and I'm not sure how much longer they can mine much from it that hasn't been done. And then you have the whole, butting up against TOS problem, which they only compounded by having Sarek (a character with a direct connection to a TOS main character) have a connection to a main character on this show. Plus there's virtually everything about Discovery being incompatible with TOS' tech level and style. I don't mind the update in style, personally, but the Spore drive was already a major "how do they ever explain this" and apparently the explanation is just get rid of it. But if they were later in the timeline and it didn't have to deal with these restrictions, it could have been an interesting aspect they kept around.
I would be so, so into it if they ended up at the very end of the timeline after all this. Complete freedom to do what they want, and a real headfuck to boot.
I actually think Discovery is doing a reasonably good job of making it feel like it could plausibly be set in that era. Sure, the sets look different, but that's 50 years of set design for you, but things like having the same consoles as in TOS with added holographic display make it feel more to me like an updated look rather than a completely changed one.
I think any potential changes in style are worth having just for the ability to explore the Star Trek universe of that era some more, it's far less fleshed out on screen than I'd like. Like the Klingons just being dudes with facial hair in TOS, the ships always looked like that, there just wasn't the budget.
...or we could go back to buttons and have some sort of throwaway joke about them to explain it away, but that's getting dangerously close to Red Dwarf's "why they still use VHS tapes in the future" joke
I think any potential changes in style are worth having just for the ability to explore the Star Trek universe of that era some more, it's far less fleshed out on screen than I'd like. Like the Klingons just being dudes with facial hair in TOS, the ships always looked like that, there just wasn't the budget.
...or we could go back to buttons and have some sort of throwaway joke about them to explain it away, but that's getting dangerously close to Red Dwarf's "why they still use VHS tapes in the future" joke
I've been enjoying the show. I think there's always been something about Lorca that was mysterious and not as it seems, so the reveal was fun (if not entirely unexpected). There was a nice twist that he had plotted it all to return to his universe to kill The Emperor - does that make him an actual good guy? Does he believe in the ideals of The Federation after all? Oh the irony given the crap he was getting from one of the Admirals earlier on in the season.
I'm in for the ride now, it'll be interesting to see where they go from here.
I'm in for the ride now, it'll be interesting to see where they go from here.
What i don't get is how Lorca could possibly plan for them to get back to the alternate universe.
It was alternate universe Stamets who brought them and he has been in a coma, so they can't be working together.
It was alternate universe Stamets who brought them and he has been in a coma, so they can't be working together.
They suggested all the plots he put in to decloak the Klingon ship was the method to get back - ripping the fabric of space with all those tiny pin prick jumps? I wonder if they'll explain how he ended up in coming over (maybe linked to Alt Stamets being in a coma?).
Yeah, probably MU stamets which is why Lorca pushed for the spore drive so hard, he knew that would be his way back.
That 'Kelpien dining' scene was effectively gross. The emperor is definitely suitably disgusting and intimidating. Campy, but enjoyable. I feel the VFX of the palace was a little bit of a let-down though. Not sure if that was just wonky compression on my Netflix stream though.
Need to leave the rest marinate. I enjoyed the Stamets/Culber scenes. I should probably black-out on speculation...Lorca being of the mirror universe was another 'surprise' I kind of spoiled for myself by having the logic of it laid out and telegraphed by online speculation.
Need to leave the rest marinate. I enjoyed the Stamets/Culber scenes. I should probably black-out on speculation...Lorca being of the mirror universe was another 'surprise' I kind of spoiled for myself by having the logic of it laid out and telegraphed by online speculation.
None of the three were Saru, but actually Michael chose the one that looked like Saru the most. She stare at them without knowing what to do, and only chose one after he made the same head movement/face expression that Saru usually makes (so that is why most people confused him as Saru). Granted, that expression may be a common one for their species, but Michael did not know about that, having know only Saru. So, yes, the chose one reminds her of Saru.
I think the season should end with the Discovery warping back to
just to add another layer of shenanigans.
Also, you reckon MU Stamets and Prime Stamets will swap back bodies or stay in opposite bodies but in the correct universe?
the JJ movie-verse
Also, you reckon MU Stamets and Prime Stamets will swap back bodies or stay in opposite bodies but in the correct universe?
Yeah, I think variety did a photo shoot that revealed the mirror universe, as you could see an ISS Discovery plaque in the background. hah
And Sisko returns from the Celestial Temple and becomes the new captain
Post-Voyager? I enjoy Disco and credit it for its guts so far, but post-Voyager would be a whole new level of "we don't give a fuck".
My excitement for that idea:
ISTR Fuller's original vision for Discovery was supposed to touch different eras of the lore through an anthology of sorts, it would be an interesting way to accomplish this if the ship is thrown into an entirely new setting.