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Television Displays and Technology Thread: The ERA of OLED is Now
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Completely agree, and I've said it once and I'll say it again, the B7 blows my old 1300nit 512 zone
out of the water.
I don't think a need a second sub. My room is very small , 11x10x9. Not worth it
I do remember you arguing opposite for B6 ;). I actually think there's very easy rule when selecting OLED vs LCD. Unless you plan to watch A LOT of HDR on your TV OLED is an easy win. It has much better "regular" picture (including 4k) aside from ABL. LCDs with similar picture are way more expensive than OLED at this point.
Mindlessly easy. Whole thing will take you less than 20 mins.
You pretty much setup the playbar and it walks you through making sure your optical is plugged in correctly and then programs the IR receiver on the play bar to work with your normal tv remote and makes sure you get sound etc. then when you power up the sub it's pretty much like "do you want to add this to your playbar" you hit yes and you're done with the sub. Then you go to the settings for "living room" for example and hit "add rears" and you push the button on the rear speakers so it knows which one is which. Finish it all off doing the trueplay eq to calibrate for the room by using your smartphone as the mic and wandering around your room for 60 seconds. The end.
Absolutely, but it had to hit a point where I honestly felt it was worth giving it a shot, and seeing the B7 beat a ZD9 in the hdtvtest shootout at HDR, got my attention.
Maybe I'm either not noticing or I'm super lucky (though I have a yellow tint and light banding), but my 2017 OLED has been great. I've thrown streaming (a fair amount from HGTV, which generally has a persistent logo in the corner) and a buncha games at it, and I haven't seen IR.
I got it in early November, and since then, have played games like Horizon Zero Dawn, Wolfenstein II: The New Colossus, Uncharted 4, Zelda: Breath of the Wild, Super Mario Odyssey and more.
The past few days alone, I would have about 3 hours of TV (Netflix, Amazon, Hulu plus HGTV) and then some gaming sessions with Cuphead, PUBG and Assassin's Creed Origins. Last weekend I played Assassin's Creed Origins (there are logos indicating my level, crafting, etc for most of the game) for like 3 hours straight.
Again, maybe I'm lucky or maybe I'm not noticing. And I'm just another anecdote, but I also don't think OLED should be completely crossed off for gaming due to IR/BI.
I got it in early November, and since then, have played games like Horizon Zero Dawn, Wolfenstein II: The New Colossus, Uncharted 4, Zelda: Breath of the Wild, Super Mario Odyssey and more.
The past few days alone, I would have about 3 hours of TV (Netflix, Amazon, Hulu plus HGTV) and then some gaming sessions with Cuphead, PUBG and Assassin's Creed Origins. Last weekend I played Assassin's Creed Origins (there are logos indicating my level, crafting, etc for most of the game) for like 3 hours straight.
Again, maybe I'm lucky or maybe I'm not noticing. And I'm just another anecdote, but I also don't think OLED should be completely crossed off for gaming due to IR/BI.
Stupid question: new to 4K. I just bought a 50inch Vizio 4K (no HDR). I have an original PS4. If I have the 4K streaming option from Netflix, Can I play 4K content? Or would I need a Pro to play 4K off Netflix? And that goes for any other streaming service, Amazon prime etc.
I agree..
Who wants to babysit a display cause of fear?
A nice FALD LED is brighter and safer.
E-50 E-3.
So I can use the Netflix app on the TV, which is fine I guess. I would just prefer the ps4 because I like the app better on there
What streaming video rental service has the best quality stream? Want to watch IT tonight and I see that Vudu, Xbox Store, and Amazon all have it in 4K HDR. Vudu is tempting because of the 99 cent first rental offer.
Also, would it be better to watch it through the LG Vudu app as that supports Dolby Vision, or would the Xbox One X also display DV?
Also, would it be better to watch it through the LG Vudu app as that supports Dolby Vision, or would the Xbox One X also display DV?
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Ah, figured such. Thanks. Weird how the X can handle Atmos but not DV. Hope that's just a software update.
For the owners of a Sony 930E, 65 inch. Could you share your settings?
I don't think I even need to ask for both SDR and HDR settings cause it seems these two are shared on this TV, which I'm not a huge fan of, but ah well. Have been playing a lot of Monster Hunter World today and I'm not yet satisfied with the overall look, I'd like to try out some settings from others.
I don't think I even need to ask for both SDR and HDR settings cause it seems these two are shared on this TV, which I'm not a huge fan of, but ah well. Have been playing a lot of Monster Hunter World today and I'm not yet satisfied with the overall look, I'd like to try out some settings from others.
Monster Hunter's HDR implementation looks fairly washed out, at least from my time in the beta. I wouldn't look to it for checking any of your settings.
Use the built in apps on your LG TV for all your streaming content. The built in LG TV apps are better than the Xbox equivalent apps because the LG apps support Dolby vision and Xbox doesn't.
I watch Vudu movies 4k Dolby vision through the lg tv app and picture quality is fine. I think the apple 4k tv might be a little better but I don't have one of those yet. I don't really use Amazon streaming for movies. Only Vudu and Netflix since Vudu and Netflix have heavy Dolby vision support.
Does anybody use a monitor to play console games on? I'm moving into a smaller place and don't have the space for a TV. Looking into a monitor with HDR. Any suggestions?
Monster Hunter in game settings:
HDR enabled
Brightness 10
Color Maxed
Question for people with a Dolby Atmos soundbar and LG OLED (B7 and HTST-5000 here).
Does your TV still show the Dolby Atmos popup in the top left when connected? Mine still will show HDR but stopped showing Dolby Atmos and just want to make sure I'm not doing something wrong. I assume it's cause the audio runs directly through the soundbar so the TV doesn't pick it up anymore.
Does your TV still show the Dolby Atmos popup in the top left when connected? Mine still will show HDR but stopped showing Dolby Atmos and just want to make sure I'm not doing something wrong. I assume it's cause the audio runs directly through the soundbar so the TV doesn't pick it up anymore.
Just want to report back in again. I use my OLED (C7) for mostly gaming 4-10 hour sessions.
I still have yet to see image retention. No bullshit there either as i'm prone to that stuff. I don't know if I got lucky or what, but the tech seems way more solid than Plasma was in my experience.
I still have yet to see image retention. No bullshit there either as i'm prone to that stuff. I don't know if I got lucky or what, but the tech seems way more solid than Plasma was in my experience.
It sounds like you're gaming mostly on consoles, but if you use a PC, don't sleep on the 1080p/120hz mode. I turned it on, and finally beat King Dice and The Devil in Cuphead. My old set had something like 60ms lag, so I was...playing with a bit of a handicap previously.
Edit: apparently I got the "beat King Dice without taking a hit" achievement? Yeah, it turns out input lag matters!
Jesus, that's insane. I think I'm going the sonos route.
I've yet to hear anyone get burn-in from Gaming. Some people with faulty panels have IR but most not even that.
As the person in the video says, the picture quality is worth the extra responsibility.
A couple of months away from having 2 years of gaming under my belt on my B6 and not a hint of burn-in on it, and I've not babied it in the slightest. Don't believe the FUD spread by people with no experience of these sets.
Literally the only IR I've seen, is when the large Cuphead tile (XB1) has been on screen for 30 seconds or so......but that's it, and I've played tons of stuff with static HUD's.
You realise OLEDs and LEDs have different standards don't you? Because LEDs can not produce the same contrast ratio or come close to the black levels of an OLED. Which is why you can have lower nit values on an OLED since the overall ratio is still far higher.
As for BI. There are specific use cases that cause BI. It is a rarity. If you are prepared to throw out the best picture because you're worried that you might play a game with a bright yellow or red HUD for over 400 hours in total then that's fine. But for most is a bit needless. People that only play overwatch and intend to do so for the next few years should probably stick with LED. The rest OLED and it's superior picture quality is fine.
Yeah it certainly isn't great, a shame. But in general it's not just for MHW, just curious about the settings from other 930e users. :)
Brightness and color maxed? I tried it, it looks very bright which for nighttime seems to look too bright. Unless night in MHW just isn't too dark though.
Oh and for the TV...screen format is full, this is fine i assume? Can't seem to find the aspect ratio option yet, but this is default.
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I think when buying an OLED, the panel uniformity is much more an issue than IR or Burn in. Mine had some vertical banding that you could clearly see when panning while playing a game. Also in very bright scenes such as snow, the panel showed a horizontal yellow-ish tint which was very distracting for me. Now as a X930E owner I really do miss the blacks and amazing contrast. This TV is also not perfect, it has a very limited viewing angle plus the blacks aren't amazing, but the outstanding HDR performance really makes up for it. I do hope that LG would fix these problems so I could return to OLED.
My SNES Mini runs off a USB port on my B7, so there must be some power output there.
I've been using my 55c7 a lot since may 2017. I use it as a monitor while working from home during the day, then play games on it at night. I've yet to notice retention. Oled light is set to 100 at all times.
Only faults I notice in practice are abl kicking in when an image is mostly white (eg. while navigating windows and the bethesda logo at the start of prey), as well as messy motion handling on finely detailed object moving fast (eg. Planet earth 2 komodo skins lose a lot of detail while the lizards are fighting).
Still, no need to be reckless. If I go out for longer than 10 minutes I always turn the oled off, I also set screen savers on my devices.
I've felt very safe using my oled so far though. Since I got my oled all the ips panels in my house have been collecting dust :) Sure, those panels are brighter. But any time you see a bit of backlid blacks you're reminded of the power of oled.
Yup, after getting one myself it feels weird how worried about nothing I was before.
Should add that my SDR OLED light is 75 too.
One of the things I love about oled, is the fact that the higher you go with OLED light, the more you expand the dynamic range in dark scenes, because obviously the blacks never change, but your bright highlights do, you try that on anything LCD based, it ain't gonna look pretty.
The Evil Within 2 looks fantastic :)
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I grabbed the mount for the playbar too. Will be mounting it under the TV on the wall.
Definitely do not bias light an OLED. They have perfect blacks and you will lose the gradation.
OLED has burn in. It's not a debate or an "issue" it's a plain fact. Destiny 1 burnt into my VT25 and I don't want a game I play a lot doing that again. So for me that decision was easy.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/permanent-image-retention-burn-in-lcd-oled
I am so tired of people debating and dismissing OLED burn in here. Just because you haven't burnt anything into your set yet doesn't mean it doesn't happen or that it will never happen to you. You are providing nothing but anecdotal evidence. I am providing actual proof.
Your statement about LED motion trailing is only true for some cheaper and poorer quality LEDs. While burn in on OLEDs is for all TVs that use that type of screen. It doesn't matter which set.
Plus OLEDs remained stagnant at CES this year while LEDs made massive gains. Hopefully 2019 has some improvements for OLEDs.
And honestly it's all about the actual TV in the end.
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OLED has burn in. It's not a debate or an "issue" it's a plain fact. Destiny 1 burnt into my VT25 and I don't want a game I play a lot doing that again. So for me that decision was easy.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/permanent-image-retention-burn-in-lcd-oled
I am so tired of people debating and dismissing OLED burn in here. Just because you haven't burnt anything into your set yet doesn't mean it doesn't happen or that it will never happen to you. You are providing nothing but anecdotal evidence. I am providing actual proof.
Your statement about LED motion trailing is only true for some cheaper and poorer quality LEDs. While burn in on OLEDs is for all TVs that use that type of screen. It doesn't matter which set.
Plus OLEDs remained stagnant at CES this year while LEDs made massive gains. Hopefully 2019 has some improvements for OLEDs.
And honestly it's all about the actual TV in the end.
You are correct to a degree, I had a Kuro which I heavily gamed on 6 years, gave it no special treatment, and it had zero and I mean zero burn in.
I also personally know a lot of guys with OLED's and they game etc, not one has mentioned anything to do with IR, let alone burn in.
Not to say it can't happen, but I'm smashing the hell out of mine, and it's all good.
It could happen, like what you are showing, who knows down the line.
You also have to remember that if people are saying they are having no issue, then they are having no issue, so what else can they/me say?
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Sure it's a possibility but reading RTINGs new test.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/real-life-oled-burn-in-test
They already say that image above is an extreme case. Will be curious to see how this new test develops.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/real-life-oled-burn-in-test
They already say that image above is an extreme case. Will be curious to see how this new test develops.
Nobody is contesting that burn-in is not possible AT ALL, and if you run same content 20 hours a day 7 days a week, yes, you will get burn-in and OLED is not for you. It's also not for people who tend to watch only one channel with static logos etc.
These tests however, don't reflect real life usage and what you're doing is fear mongering for gaming, I can't blame you though as I was scared to hell and back before getting my own OLED probably many of my posts on the old forum were about it. Nothing lasts forever, seeing as how people with 2016 model OLEDs are mostly without issues I don't think it's a worry people should concern about in 2-4ish years, depending on usage. My Panasonic ST near the end of its life was so bad that even subtitles had IR on it. Only type of gamer I wouldn't recommend OLED for are those who tend to get sucked up into one game and not play anything else for years, like MMOs.
OLEDs remained stagnant because there isn't too much to improve upon, they can't really market better uniformity, so they're improving on the brightness.
OLED has burn in. It's not a debate or an "issue" it's a plain fact. Destiny 1 burnt into my VT25 and I don't want a game I play a lot doing that again. So for me that decision was easy.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/permanent-image-retention-burn-in-lcd-oled
I am so tired of people debating and dismissing OLED burn in here. Just because you haven't burnt anything into your set yet doesn't mean it doesn't happen or that it will never happen to you. You are providing nothing but anecdotal evidence. I am providing actual proof.
Your statement about LED motion trailing is only true for some cheaper and poorer quality LEDs. While burn in on OLEDs is for all TVs that use that type of screen. It doesn't matter which set.
Plus OLEDs remained stagnant at CES this year while LEDs made massive gains. Hopefully 2019 has some improvements for OLEDs.
And honestly it's all about the actual TV in the end.
What does your old set have to do with the sets people have now? Especially the 2017 line. Yes they're all OLED but they're still different sets, different years, the 2017 LG line also has additional burn in prevention features.
The rtings link you posted is interesting and all but no one here who has a new OLED is running a stress test like that.
Also I don't see how our experience is any more "anecdotal" than yours.
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OLED has burn in. It's not a debate or an "issue" it's a plain fact. Destiny 1 burnt into my VT25 and I don't want a game I play a lot doing that again. So for me that decision was easy.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/permanent-image-retention-burn-in-lcd-oled
I am so tired of people debating and dismissing OLED burn in here. Just because you haven't burnt anything into your set yet doesn't mean it doesn't happen or that it will never happen to you. You are providing nothing but anecdotal evidence. I am providing actual proof.
Your statement about LED motion trailing is only true for some cheaper and poorer quality LEDs. While burn in on OLEDs is for all TVs that use that type of screen. It doesn't matter which set.
Plus OLEDs remained stagnant at CES this year while LEDs made massive gains. Hopefully 2019 has some improvements for OLEDs.
And honestly it's all about the actual TV in the end.
Anecdotal evidence of actually gaming on a set for two years? That would strike me as more useful than posting a video of someone deliberately stress-testing a panel but hey ho. It's why I've largely abandoned this thread now, as it is so full of misinformation it is unreal. Usually spread by people with no first-hand experience of the technology themselves. So, time again to bow out and continue enjoying my B6 for gaming.
39 Pages later and I still see discussion about OLED Burn in (Permanent IR).
I feel like the OP should at least be updated regarding Image Retention or Burn in to keep prevent the endless discussion about it. (The OP's refers to burn-in being possible with Heavy use, what is Heavy use?).
Here is my post about IR, burn-in and the RTINGS test: https://www.resetera.com/posts/1608240/
The RTINGS test presents an EXTREME case.
OLED technology is new, most hardware manufactures are getting better to prevent burn in using software. i.e. pixel shifting, screen saver when displaying a static image (bouncing DVD logo).
Just reading the wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_burn-in , you'll see that burn-in has been an issue since the CRT days.
Burn-in is possible and as quoted by RTINGS: "Burn-in will occur under worst case conditions, but most people who vary what they watch and don't display much content with bright static watermarks, shouldn't have a problem" . Starting from @2:44 in this video:
They're now trying to find out with their new type of test as to how burn-in will occur with specific types of content (i.e. live sport, news):https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/real-life-oled-burn-in-test
If you're buying an TV, just to watch the news or content which has bright static watermarks all day, then OLED isn't for you.
If you worry about having burn-in. Then don't buy OLED, just don't do it.
If you want the best picture quality possible and you don't have an extreme content watching habit (i.e. excessively playing 1 game for a long time) then go for OLED, it's unmatched against any other technology.
The Sony ZD9 with its FALD panel is the best 2nd choice.
I feel like the OP should at least be updated regarding Image Retention or Burn in to keep prevent the endless discussion about it. (The OP's refers to burn-in being possible with Heavy use, what is Heavy use?).
Here is my post about IR, burn-in and the RTINGS test: https://www.resetera.com/posts/1608240/
The RTINGS test presents an EXTREME case.
OLED technology is new, most hardware manufactures are getting better to prevent burn in using software. i.e. pixel shifting, screen saver when displaying a static image (bouncing DVD logo).
Just reading the wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_burn-in , you'll see that burn-in has been an issue since the CRT days.
Burn-in is possible and as quoted by RTINGS: "Burn-in will occur under worst case conditions, but most people who vary what they watch and don't display much content with bright static watermarks, shouldn't have a problem" . Starting from @2:44 in this video:
They're now trying to find out with their new type of test as to how burn-in will occur with specific types of content (i.e. live sport, news):https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/real-life-oled-burn-in-test
If you're buying an TV, just to watch the news or content which has bright static watermarks all day, then OLED isn't for you.
If you worry about having burn-in. Then don't buy OLED, just don't do it.
If you want the best picture quality possible and you don't have an extreme content watching habit (i.e. excessively playing 1 game for a long time) then go for OLED, it's unmatched against any other technology.
The Sony ZD9 with its FALD panel is the best 2nd choice.
I've had an LG OLED for 2 years. I've had games where I've put 100 hours in. I've watched tons of stuff like CNN or ESPN with static tickers / logos on the screen.
There's NO burn-in issue. I have literally left my TV on a paused image for HOURS, on a couple of occaisions, and had no problem.
Yes it can sometimes retain imagery for a brief period - but in full color programming, you can't see this for very long or at all.
It's been a complete non-issue. Don't set your TV to Vivid, don't be wildly irresponsible with static imagery, and honestly, don't even worry about it that much
There's NO burn-in issue. I have literally left my TV on a paused image for HOURS, on a couple of occaisions, and had no problem.
Yes it can sometimes retain imagery for a brief period - but in full color programming, you can't see this for very long or at all.
It's been a complete non-issue. Don't set your TV to Vivid, don't be wildly irresponsible with static imagery, and honestly, don't even worry about it that much
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