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Your controversial gaming opinions?
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like i get what you're saying (even though Max/Victoria is the proper pairing), but seeing them driving through the totally destroyed town where everyone is most definitely dead is just super jarring with how happy they are to be together. It feels unfinished.
I strongly dislike the words gaming and gamer. What the heck is gaming? Is it just video games? If so, I'd prefer to say video games.
As for gamer, it feels pretty outdated at this point. You never hear someone call themselves a movier or musicer. So why make that distinction for games?
It makes the culture come off as cultish. Video games are totally the mainstream, so I feel these terms are played out.
As for gamer, it feels pretty outdated at this point. You never hear someone call themselves a movier or musicer. So why make that distinction for games?
It makes the culture come off as cultish. Video games are totally the mainstream, so I feel these terms are played out.
Here's a list of what I could remember atm:
Persona games are unnecessary long with too much filler.
Most modern AAA games are getting worse than their predecessors.
The GameCube controller isn't good and Smash players praise it because they are used to it.
Games that can be ruined with a spoiler don't have a "gameplay first" design.
Miyamoto has done more bad than good in the past few years.
Modern consoles are just gimped down DRM PCs and the Switch is the only console worth having if you have a PC due to its portability.
Graphics can't get much better than what they currently are. You would need to spend a ton of money to get a negligible perceived graphical difference.
You can get more value out of a game on the Switch than on PC because of its play style options.
3D World is not a proper Super Mario Galaxy sequel.
MOBAs are boring.
Persona games are unnecessary long with too much filler.
Most modern AAA games are getting worse than their predecessors.
The GameCube controller isn't good and Smash players praise it because they are used to it.
Games that can be ruined with a spoiler don't have a "gameplay first" design.
Miyamoto has done more bad than good in the past few years.
Modern consoles are just gimped down DRM PCs and the Switch is the only console worth having if you have a PC due to its portability.
Graphics can't get much better than what they currently are. You would need to spend a ton of money to get a negligible perceived graphical difference.
You can get more value out of a game on the Switch than on PC because of its play style options.
3D World is not a proper Super Mario Galaxy sequel.
MOBAs are boring.
Uncharted 4 > 3 > 2 > 1 and Last of Us is not nearly as good make it out to be, its story telling and visuals are great (not amazeballs, I played it with the remaster on PS4 at launch on PS3 i can imagine it being pretty good) on the gameplay side its pretty meh, its not terrible but its no way great. MP is fine but almost feels forced.
Still interested in eventually playing the sequel because like i said the story telling was great, also seeing what they could do visually with Uncharted 4 im interested to see how good it looks although ill stick with base PS4 so i don't expect any 1440p-1800p
Still interested in eventually playing the sequel because like i said the story telling was great, also seeing what they could do visually with Uncharted 4 im interested to see how good it looks although ill stick with base PS4 so i don't expect any 1440p-1800p
Exactly. For me, there was no other way for the story to end. Max had done all of this for Chloe.
That is more like the consensus
You will be surprised how my friends debate this case against me haha
When Sony launched the Vita they obviously didn't set out to make a really nice accessory for the PS4 but here we are.
Paper Mario Color Splash is the best Paper Mario game, and Bowser's Inside Story is the best Mario RPG.
I could go on about iconoclastic rankings of games from certain series or developers like most of you, like how OoT is a monumentally important game that has nevertheless been surpassed in every respect by at least one other 3D Zelda, or how StarCraft II is the best game to have come out of Blizzard to date, or how Zero may very well be the best Star Fox not called Kid Icarus.
But I suspect the really controversial opinion that won't see much agreement here is this: I've more or less written off video games as having much promise at all as a narrative medium. It isn't anything to do with the medium itself in a formal sense, or the existence of the sporadic game with competent or even decent writing (rare as that is), but with the industry conditions surrounding who goes into the field as either a developer or a player, and the overall youth of video games as a product of generations that do not have much of a cultural memory for art, literature, film, history, and how all these things were thought about and talked about before ubiquitous genre tropes and mass-media blockbusters became the norm. The bulk of the game industry, big and small, AAA or indie, player or developer, is either incapable of thinking outside this frame of mind or helplessly locked into it out of market realities and practical necessity. There isn't much potential here; video games were simply invented too late for that.
You can argue all you want that game storytelling is up to scratch with your average airport paperback or pop television serial or superhero flick, and perhaps I'd agree. But the real aesthetic diversity, stylistic experimentation, and richness of human subject matter in film or literature (if you really, really dig into them past the digestible mass-market crust) are simply out of reach. Even competent writing in games usually either bores me or strikes me as pleasant but inessential, and with extremely rare exceptions I've forgotten what it's like to principally play to follow a story. The peaks aren't that high and it just doesn't matter to me anymore. It's all a lot of flavour, decoration, and arcane wiki trivia. I don't skip text, but only out of a completionist curiosity to see everything the developers put in, and rarely out of any real engagement with motives or plots. There is more plot in my pathfinding choices in Breath of the Wild or my banal generated chatter with Animal Crossing townsfolk than in most games that purport to have a labyrinthine plot. There is too much story in games and most of it doesn't do anything. Shigeru Miyamoto has the right idea.
Don't even get me started on "immersion", or on the whole habitual conflation of character-avatars with the players steering them, as though identifying with an escapist power fantasy is the only way to think about games.
But I suspect the really controversial opinion that won't see much agreement here is this: I've more or less written off video games as having much promise at all as a narrative medium. It isn't anything to do with the medium itself in a formal sense, or the existence of the sporadic game with competent or even decent writing (rare as that is), but with the industry conditions surrounding who goes into the field as either a developer or a player, and the overall youth of video games as a product of generations that do not have much of a cultural memory for art, literature, film, history, and how all these things were thought about and talked about before ubiquitous genre tropes and mass-media blockbusters became the norm. The bulk of the game industry, big and small, AAA or indie, player or developer, is either incapable of thinking outside this frame of mind or helplessly locked into it out of market realities and practical necessity. There isn't much potential here; video games were simply invented too late for that.
You can argue all you want that game storytelling is up to scratch with your average airport paperback or pop television serial or superhero flick, and perhaps I'd agree. But the real aesthetic diversity, stylistic experimentation, and richness of human subject matter in film or literature (if you really, really dig into them past the digestible mass-market crust) are simply out of reach. Even competent writing in games usually either bores me or strikes me as pleasant but inessential, and with extremely rare exceptions I've forgotten what it's like to principally play to follow a story. The peaks aren't that high and it just doesn't matter to me anymore. It's all a lot of flavour, decoration, and arcane wiki trivia. I don't skip text, but only out of a completionist curiosity to see everything the developers put in, and rarely out of any real engagement with motives or plots. There is more plot in my pathfinding choices in Breath of the Wild or my banal generated chatter with Animal Crossing townsfolk than in most games that purport to have a labyrinthine plot. There is too much story in games and most of it doesn't do anything. Shigeru Miyamoto has the right idea.
Don't even get me started on "immersion", or on the whole habitual conflation of character-avatars with the players steering them, as though identifying with an escapist power fantasy is the only way to think about games.
I'm older now, I have a full-time job, and I have a wife, and I am more alienated by modern gaming because of how much they ask you to either a) pour time into them in a way that promotes you playing for hours at a time, or b) schedule your life around events within the game. If this stuff was out when I was in college, I'm sure that I would feel differently.
For me, I've been coming back to Nintendo after losing quite a bit of interest in their products post-N64, and I think the reason is that their products respect my time in a way that other products do not. The Switch is a perfect example because of its versatility, but Nintendo doesn't shy away from making single-player games that are high in production value and that don't need to add some sort of multiplayer component to generate money. I get why more games like Destiny 2 exist, but man, I can't imagine getting a bunch of people together for a raid or whatever.
I don't know if this is controversial, but I think Nintendo is wisely cornering the market on the over-30 crowd that likes games with high production values that come off like sweeping epics that are also single-player with no unnecessary multi modes. I don't see Sony or Microsoft doing enough for me, as a part of that crowd, and I've been playing more and more Switch and less and less PS4 because of this.
For me, I've been coming back to Nintendo after losing quite a bit of interest in their products post-N64, and I think the reason is that their products respect my time in a way that other products do not. The Switch is a perfect example because of its versatility, but Nintendo doesn't shy away from making single-player games that are high in production value and that don't need to add some sort of multiplayer component to generate money. I get why more games like Destiny 2 exist, but man, I can't imagine getting a bunch of people together for a raid or whatever.
I don't know if this is controversial, but I think Nintendo is wisely cornering the market on the over-30 crowd that likes games with high production values that come off like sweeping epics that are also single-player with no unnecessary multi modes. I don't see Sony or Microsoft doing enough for me, as a part of that crowd, and I've been playing more and more Switch and less and less PS4 because of this.
- 2D beat-em ups like Streets of Rage and Golden Axe have always been terrible and the genre is 100% nostalgia.
- Final Fantasy XII is a strong contender for best in the series
- Persona 5 has a better plot and overall cast than 4
- Custom Robo should be revived before other Nintendo franchises like F-Zero
- Infamous Second Son is a great game
- Final Fantasy XII is a strong contender for best in the series
- Persona 5 has a better plot and overall cast than 4
- Custom Robo should be revived before other Nintendo franchises like F-Zero
- Infamous Second Son is a great game
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I'll give you the first few worlds feel like a natural expansion (Mayahem Temple, Glitter Gultch Mine, WitchyWorld, and Jolly Roger's Lagoon) and were a blast to play. Starting with Terrydactlland? Shit got way too big, way too fast. Grunty Industries is a nightmare to navigate and Cloud Cuckooland is massive for the sake of being massive.
- Lightning is the best female character in the Final Fantasy series
- Ocarina of Time isn't that good
- New Super Mario Bros U is the best 2D Mario
- Yoshi Island DS is a better game than the original
- Assassin's Creed III is one of the best in the series
- Super Smash Bros is the best fighting game in the market
- Super Mario 3D World is the best 3D Mario so far
- Ace Attorney Dual Destinies isn't a bad game in any way
- Ocarina of Time isn't that good
- New Super Mario Bros U is the best 2D Mario
- Yoshi Island DS is a better game than the original
- Assassin's Creed III is one of the best in the series
- Super Smash Bros is the best fighting game in the market
- Super Mario 3D World is the best 3D Mario so far
- Ace Attorney Dual Destinies isn't a bad game in any way
I'd say the only controversy is that you didn't go far enough. Bethesda's vision for Fallout is far and away removed from the design principles that made the original RPGs masterpieces, or that of Obsidian's Fallout: New Vegas.
I had a great time with Godzilla on the PS4. The game has flaws but the way it plays and how you control the camera makes it feel movie-like and the combo system is addictive. I fully understand why it was not well received though.
The Last Guardian is the Game of the Generation so far. Not a game without flaws either though.
ReCore is a great game underneath the buggy surface.
GTA IV was never a great game.
Gaming has gotten better and better. We're seeing fewer retail games out there but the ones we do get are generally much more enjoyable than those of the generation before them. Indies are also getting better and better but that's not a controversial opinion.
The Vita has a better library of games than the 3DS. Uncontroversially, the 3DS has better exclusives though.
The Wii U is still worth owning and has been since its second year. The Switch is not really worth owning yet unless you absolutely need portability or don't have any other consoles... Mario Odyssey in two days might change my mind though.
The Last Guardian is the Game of the Generation so far. Not a game without flaws either though.
ReCore is a great game underneath the buggy surface.
GTA IV was never a great game.
Gaming has gotten better and better. We're seeing fewer retail games out there but the ones we do get are generally much more enjoyable than those of the generation before them. Indies are also getting better and better but that's not a controversial opinion.
The Vita has a better library of games than the 3DS. Uncontroversially, the 3DS has better exclusives though.
The Wii U is still worth owning and has been since its second year. The Switch is not really worth owning yet unless you absolutely need portability or don't have any other consoles... Mario Odyssey in two days might change my mind though.
Yeah but in TerryLand you can turn into a T.REX, a big one or a small one. There is also a sick dinosaur that you need to put on Banjo backpack and take him to Mumbo, oh and there is also a dinosaur who suffers from dwarfism so all the girls laugh at him.
come on stop lying
you know it's obvious victoria couldn't stop thinking about her with those camera skills.
even chapter 5, they have the nightmare sequence of Victoria NTR'ing Max with Chloe.
It might just be my friend group that has a lot of love for N64. Perhaps more controversial would be for me to say I don't think GoldenEye is a good game at all.
Time to bring out the big guns:
Chrono Trigger is overrated.
But I still really like it. GOAT it is not however. It's no FF6.
Chrono Trigger is overrated.
But I still really like it. GOAT it is not however. It's no FF6.
Persona 3 is the best game in the Persona and SMT franchise. I know it's not really considered part of SMT as far as I'm aware, but still. The atmosphere, the music, the characters, the story... everything just worked so perfectly together. I really enjoyed the P4 story, but it just never resonated with me on the same level. Haven't gotten around to 5 yet, but I have a strange feeling I'll enjoy it more than 4.
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- Love Custom Robo, but not over F-Zero. Revive them both!
- AGREED ...ish. It's not legitimately great but it's a lot of fun.
Man I don't either.
Other kids had goldeneye while me and my friends would LAN Quake...
The World Is Not Enough is the better Bond game on N64.
Console was definitely weak sauce though, and I say that with Ocarina of Time being perhaps my favorite game. Top 2, anyway.
Easy - the best GTA is GTA IV - I much prefer the more 'realistic' storyline than the more fantastical adventures in the other ones, with Niko being a more relatable person to play as. It probably helps that I play it as Niko actually would - never went around breaking the law just for fun, for example!
Mass Effect 3 is one of the best games of all time regardless of the ending issue. The fact that the last five minutes are bad doesn't negative the 20+ hours of story beforehand.
Twilight Princess is one of the better Zelda games.
Metroid Prime 2 is one of the best Metroid games.
Twilight Princess is one of the better Zelda games.
Metroid Prime 2 is one of the best Metroid games.
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Majora and Ocarina are all-time greats. Smash Bros provided me a ton of fun. Mario 64 is fantastic. After that there's a huuuuuge drop-off.
While I still think 5 ends up being better (by quite a bit), the weird backlash that came for 4 is straight up fucking weird to me. 4 was a great game.
And I agree; I appreciated the more grounded story and relatable character. I liked the realism we got from 4. I found the ps2 GTAs to be ugly to look at and somehow too cartoony or something. 4 is what actually got me into the series.
You should, at least the first one, since it's better and more tightly paced than the main game.
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I can't say I have ever talked to someone who has said that Fallout 3 was better than New Vegas. I think it is but I am pretty alone on that one.
Witcher 3 (based on my admittedly short playtime)
Is mega overrated.
What is going on with those controls?
Is mega overrated.
What is going on with those controls?
The combat system in the first two Paper Mario games is literally just a shittier version of the one in the Mario & Luigi series. Also, the leveling system sucks.
Out of all the Mario games, Super Paper Mario has the best story.
Super Mario Bros 3 controls like ass.
Out of all the Mario games, Super Paper Mario has the best story.
Super Mario Bros 3 controls like ass.
The success of the Xbox 360 was a fluke. It became successful due to Xbox Live and being first to market. All the advantages that it had to put Microsoft above Sony sales wise is null now. I highly doubt Microsoft will be able to have another console that will reach the same level of success again.