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Kalor

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Oct 25, 2017
19,631
Kalor didn't get the bodygaurd reference? It looks like most only sorta got it. I mean it's not that big of a movie anymore, but it's worth a google. Would likely have saved a mislynch if all of us knew it. Unfortunate I wasn't here, movies are my jam!

I keep coming back to Kalor. But I'm not sure why? Is it post frequency, a read, or just he has incite everyone is talkin about?

Still new, working through everything. Thank you all for being patient

I only got the reference after I looked it up. Thought it was some weird role names at first.

If Faddy was the haiku giver, he'd have no need to fake it if he can just give it to himself.
 

Pedro

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
1,967
For the new page:

==== DAY 3 VOTES ====

Day Start

flatearthpandas (2 votes)
terraforce - #898
fireblend - #916 #974
kalor - #972

faddy (2 votes)
grizzly - #933
fireblend - #974

kalor (1 votes)
oliver james - #867

grizzly (1 votes)
*splinter - #970

oliver james (0 votes)
*splinter - #842 #969

Post Counts:
faddy: 49 *splinter: 31 fireblend: 29 grizzly: 26 oliver james: 24 kalor: 10 dcpat: 9 zippedpinhead: 8 terraforce: 2 sawneeks: 1 pedro: 1

You can find the current vote count here

Majority is 6

Day 3 ends in

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Fireblend

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,454
Costa Rica

*Splinter

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,089
I realise how opportunist this looks, but Fireblend is my top scum. I just had no case to make against him

VOTE: Fireblend
 

*Splinter

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,089
I wish that were a breadcrumb.

Yesterday I pointed out how the thread felt weird and surmised that scum were absent / had no control. I was thinking Grizzly (sick) and Fireblend (trapped in haiku hell).

Today I mentioned that Grizzly was only in my top 3, and I think I've townread everyone but Fire, Terra, Grizzly, (and maybe Coolest/Zipped)

At this point I felt I had no choice but to say nothing for a while, let his survival speak for itself. Being doused in gasoline fucks that plan though.
 

Terraforce

One Winged Slayer
The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
18,918
Why fake having the curse when they have control over who gets it?
Why not fake it? If the haiku giver is mafia, there's a near 100% chance that if they know what they're doing that they'll eventually target their own.

That's one thing that's pushing me over to the Faddy side over Grizzly now. They're bound to fake it at one point in the game, but we don't know when so it's almost null for all I care. But Faddy tried hard in particular to push the idea that him being targeted means he has to be town, which is suspect as hell.

red check me last night
I counter with haiku curse
I'm town, scum hit me

If you got a red
You would know it was sure scum
If no Haiku/death

Same way checks not green
Could be that scum did not move
Kalor fully clear?

That alone sets off all kinds of red signals to me.

Still haven't seen much from Grizzly aside from defending himself so I'm not fully convinced one way or another. A read list or something supplementary goes a long way, and it's something I'd expect from a player like him, but aside from a slight FEP push, most of his posts have been centered around himself in some way. Less defense, more offense.

But I still don't think FEP should get away with two full days of no posts, so I'm not moving my vote just yet. It's bonkers that so many people are flat out ignoring him. Faddyand DCPat barely even mention the guy for whatever reason. This is unacceptable unless he's getting replaced (which is something no one other than a scummate should know). If FEP flips scum then next I'm immediately going for all the people seemingly scared to even utter his name.
 

*Splinter

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,089
Why not fake it? If the haiku giver is mafia, there's a near 100% chance that if they know what they're doing that they'll eventually target their own.

That's one thing that's pushing me over to the Faddy side over Grizzly now. They're bound to fake it at one point in the game, but we don't know when so it's almost null for all I care. But Faddy tried hard in particular to push the idea that him being targeted means he has to be town, which is suspect as hell.





That alone sets off all kinds of red signals to me.

Still haven't seen much from Grizzly aside from defending himself so I'm not fully convinced one way or another. A read list or something supplementary goes a long way, and it's something I'd expect from a player like him, but aside from a slight FEP push, most of his posts have been centered around himself in some way. Less defense, more offense.

But I still don't think FEP should get away with two full days of no posts, so I'm not moving my vote just yet. It's bonkers that so many people are flat out ignoring him. Faddyand DCPat barely even mention the guy for whatever reason. This is unacceptable unless he's getting replaced (which is something no one other than a scummate should know). If FEP flips scum then next I'm immediately going for all the people seemingly scared to even utter his name.
Yeah scum will target themselves with it, that's why they don't need to fake it.

I don't understand what Faddy was arguing, but it had something to do with me watching being cursed I think? It didn't make sense, but doesn't mean he's scum.
 

Terraforce

One Winged Slayer
The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
18,918
Yeah scum will target themselves with it, that's why they don't need to fake it.

I don't understand what Faddy was arguing, but it had something to do with me watching being cursed I think? It didn't make sense, but doesn't mean he's scum.
Does not in itself mean that he's scum, but his statements came across to me as him subtly saying "I'm cursed so that means I'm confirmed town now!"
 

Terraforce

One Winged Slayer
The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
18,918
Terra jumping in
Scum with Fireblend a good bet
Undermining towns
I'm not "jumping in," I'm playing the game. Even now you're still ignoring my mentioning of FEP. Why exactly? Why give him such a pass for all this time? I've asked you this before and you just ignored it.
 

Zippedpinhead

Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,747
I only got the reference after I looked it up. Thought it was some weird role names at first.

If Faddy was the haiku giver, he'd have no need to fake it if he can just give it to himself.
Easier for a giver to fake it. They would know that no one else got it, and if they faked it they wouldn't be in danger of "accident" mod-kill. Really no reason why they couldn't just target themselves, just removes the whole "might die" thing. Like I said Devious and obviously far-fetched though.
 

Terraforce

One Winged Slayer
The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
18,918
Also, Faddy, Fireblend calling you out in itself was enough for him to soar from not on your scum list at all to number one over even Grizzly? That's one hell of a change in opinion in such a short span. I didn't even see you remotely start scum reading him until he started calling you out.
 

Faddy

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,153
I'll be at my PC for most of the day but have work to do, so don't expect very long posts from me. I also owe this thread a reread, since I'm ready to believe I've been off with my read of some people.

First of all, no reason not to believe Splinter's claim, so that should remove attention from Kalor and Oliver, though Kalor I already leaned towards believing yesterday. I also think that scum arsonist makes sense, even though I find it a bit unbalanced in such a small game. Could it be that an ignite kill is their main way of removing people from the game and D1's kill was a 1-shot guaranteed kill they decided to use early? I don't see why they would choose to douse rather than kill.

Here's where I stand atm.

People I don't want to lynch:
Splinter
Kalor
Oliver
Terra - I feel like he's making sense. His lone vote for CSpot on D1 is a bit bad because he hesitated to vote on either Kalor or Geno, but now that we know both were (likely, in the case of Kalor) town it's actually not that bad. His vote on Grizzly yesterday, and today's on FEP make me feel good about him.

Not enough info:
DCPat - Seriously, they barely register as a player in this game. I have to give their posts a read. He was widely townread on D1, no?

"Interesting pair":
Grizzly & Faddy - I want to say if one flips scum that'd clear the other one, since I have the impression that they've been at each other for most of the game, though more in the Faddy -> Grizzly direction than anything else. Grizzly is hard for me to read because I tend to trust him and he's good at making good town-sounding posts (that theory one above I really like), while Faddy got himself some concern points for wanting to hammer L_P after his second protective role claim, but at the same time, he's been very active and that makes me hesitate.

People I'd lynch now:
Zipped - CoolestSpot didn't place a vote on D1 (they did, on Geno, but then unvoted). Then they jumped on my Haiku-powered LP train the second I suggested it, with little justification, and after doing like 4 posts in a row about he was going to start thinking things through and helping out town too. It's almost too blatant to be scum, but it could work. It also sucks that I'm telling this to you and not CSpot.
FEP - Terra is right in that he's been getting ignored this game, and that could point towards a scum team that's afraid of calling him out because he'd be hard to defend if votes build up on him. It's worth pointing out that he has criticized several players for stuff, like Grizzly for "making excuses for Geno voters", Faddy for flip-floppy reads among other stuff, and most notably CSpot, whom he voted for pretty early on in the day yesterday, where his vote stayed. Apparently he didn't like that he didn't add a transcript for his song, and called him the most useless player so far.

Assuming scum team is 3 people and we can trust Splinter's results, even lynching someone from my last 2 groups gives us a 75% chance of lynching scum so I guess it's not terrible, though that's removing Terra and Pat from the equation for non-solid reasons, Pat much more so.

Vote: Flatearthpandas

For now I'm gonna join Terra on his vote, and wait to see where the day goes once we get out of this mechanics discussion and start talking about who to lynch. A FEP lynch I also like because of the shade he's thrown even if it only materialized for CSpot. If he flipped town I'd go after Zipped next (if I don't eventually switch my vote to him today), or maybe Grizzly if he flips scum since he was the target of his weakest "jab" yesterday.

Why not fake it? If the haiku giver is mafia, there's a near 100% chance that if they know what they're doing that they'll eventually target their own.

That's one thing that's pushing me over to the Faddy side over Grizzly now. They're bound to fake it at one point in the game, but we don't know when so it's almost null for all I care. But Faddy tried hard in particular to push the idea that him being targeted means he has to be town, which is suspect as hell.





That alone sets off all kinds of red signals to me.

Still haven't seen much from Grizzly aside from defending himself so I'm not fully convinced one way or another. A read list or something supplementary goes a long way, and it's something I'd expect from a player like him, but aside from a slight FEP push, most of his posts have been centered around himself in some way. Less defense, more offense.

But I still don't think FEP should get away with two full days of no posts, so I'm not moving my vote just yet. It's bonkers that so many people are flat out ignoring him. Faddyand DCPat barely even mention the guy for whatever reason. This is unacceptable unless he's getting replaced (which is something no one other than a scummate should know). If FEP flips scum then next I'm immediately going for all the people seemingly scared to even utter his name.

I'm not "jumping in," I'm playing the game. Even now you're still ignoring my mentioning of FEP. Why exactly? Why give him such a pass for all this time? I've asked you this before and you just ignored it.

FEP FEP FEP FEP FEP
FEP FEP FEP FEP FEP FEP FEP
FEP FEP FEP FEP FEP
 

Faddy

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,153
Also, Faddy, Fireblend calling you out in itself was enough for him to soar from not on your scum list at all to number one over even Grizzly? That's one hell of a change in opinion in such a short span. I didn't even see you remotely start scum reading him until he started calling you out.

Red Bus Yellow Bus
Red Bus Yellow Bus Red Bus
Yellow Bus Red Bus
 

Fireblend

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,454
Costa Rica
So...

No other reads of Fireblend then?
I think he's pretty cool. Top town for sure.

Seems like half of the playerbase is asleep today tbh...

Post Counts:
faddy: 55 *splinter: 37 fireblend: 34 grizzly: 26 oliver james: 24 kalor: 10 zippedpinhead: 9 dcpat: 9 terraforce: 6 pedro: 2 sawneeks: 1

This is pretty sad given we have plenty to talk about today.
 

Kalor

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Oct 25, 2017
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I feel fairly neutral about Fireblend right now. Nothing sticks out to me but I can't stop this nagging feeling that their scum and I'm overlooking them. Being cursed yesterday didn't help matters.
 

DCPat

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,170
Faddy is not faking I think. The mod message he said he got checks out with what Fireblend said.

Or they are both faking. Lol I don't really think that.
 

Zippedpinhead

Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,747
I think it's very weird that the two people that have/have been cursed are essentially going after each other's throats.

Gut says town v town, but ultimately I'm leaning more towards fireblend being more town than Faddy.
 
Oct 26, 2017
5,148
Hey everyone, sorry about by activity and missing day end. Misjudged the time and then have been massively busy ever since. Free all day today though so I'll catch up right after breakfast
 

Kalor

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Oct 25, 2017
19,631
Lynching that Kalor fellow seems like a good idea. Don't know why we didn't do it on D1.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Hokay, I'm caught up. Will probably need to another read anyway, but I guess I'd like to start with saying I feel pretty good about Terra. He is going hard on me and scum would know that's a ML (or maybe Haiku I guess, but I'm not). When you spend your whole phase badgering town about why they aren't MLing an inactive, it doesn't look super great. It doesn't look bad either, but I would expect scum to be more likely to just kind of throw that shade around here and there rather than yell about it so much.

You know, kind of like how Febe's been doing it.
 

Kalor

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I don't agree with the reasoning behind the Terra read. It's easy to justify a lynch of a inactive person and scum would want to take the easy way (I know I have a vote on you). You can always say that you don't want an unknown variable around for the endgame and most people would go along with it. We've already seen LP get lynched primarily due to his activity so there's a precedent for it working.
 

Terraforce

One Winged Slayer
The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
18,918
I don't agree with the reasoning behind the Terra read. It's easy to justify a lynch of a inactive person and scum would want to take the easy way (I know I have a vote on you). You can always say that you don't want an unknown variable around for the endgame and most people would go along with it. We've already seen LP get lynched primarily due to his activity so there's a precedent for it working.
Sure, but what are we supposed to do about his inactivity? Just ignore it? You have to at least admit I'm right about the fact that a lot of people are just writing him off entirely, which I don't like at all. I'm only harping on it because no one else will, which can easily bit us in the ass later.

flatearthpandas since you're actually here now, could you elaborate on your reads this game, how you feel about the potential Faddy-Febe split, etc? You said you're caught up but you didn't post much aside from mentioning me and what I took as alluding to Febe being scum.
 
Oct 26, 2017
5,148
I'm kind of inclined to believe arsonist is scum but there's a few things that I want to look into about that as well. Seems like a difficult time for scum if they can only kill every other day and there's a fire extinguisher. Looking at Ty's role though, I can't tell if he has to do it on the actual night of ignition or if he cancels the douse. Sophia Can you clarify this?
Not sure if it matters either way but it seems like it slows down the game a lot. I wonder can they kill and ignite on the same day?

LP's role suggests we might have a doozy of a PR left. Doubtful it's a motion detector.

CoolestSpot Thanks for posting the lyrics eventually, dude. Enjoyed them.

Haiku seems NAI. If Haiku giver flips scum then we can't trust anyone hit with it because scum can hit each other with it for cred. But if they flip neutral its NAI so not sure why there's so much speculation about it.

More interesting is targets. Why febe first? Faddy makes sense as a target actually, especially if it is a scum control. Faddy has been active and at least trying to control a lot of conversation e.g. town circle business. Would make sense for scum to want to shut him down a bit. Would make less sense for scum to want to give up that control over the conversation if he is scum. Maybe buy some cred early in the game and let go at it with some trust for the rest. Eh. I will say I'm enjoying Faddy's poems.

Anyway, next, vote speculation. See what to make of D2.
 

Faddy

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Oct 25, 2017
9,153
I'm kind of inclined to believe arsonist is scum but there's a few things that I want to look into about that as well. Seems like a difficult time for scum if they can only kill every other day and there's a fire extinguisher. Looking at Ty's role though, I can't tell if he has to do it on the actual night of ignition or if he cancels the douse. Sophia Can you clarify this?
Not sure if it matters either way but it seems like it slows down the game a lot. I wonder can they kill and ignite on the same day?

LP's role suggests we might have a doozy of a PR left. Doubtful it's a motion detector.

CoolestSpot Thanks for posting the lyrics eventually, dude. Enjoyed them.

Haiku seems NAI. If Haiku giver flips scum then we can't trust anyone hit with it because scum can hit each other with it for cred. But if they flip neutral its NAI so not sure why there's so much speculation about it.

More interesting is targets. Why febe first? Faddy makes sense as a target actually, especially if it is a scum control. Faddy has been active and at least trying to control a lot of conversation e.g. town circle business. Would make sense for scum to want to shut him down a bit. Would make less sense for scum to want to give up that control over the conversation if he is scum. Maybe buy some cred early in the game and let go at it with some trust for the rest. Eh. I will say I'm enjoying Faddy's poems.

Anyway, next, vote speculation. See what to make of D2.

Hurry up and claim
FEP I know you are vigi
Claim, claim, claim, claim, claim
 
Oct 26, 2017
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flatearthpandas since you're actually here now, could you elaborate on your reads this game
I've caught up in that I've read everything. Still parsing through it and I'll be posting in chunks as I do. I don't have strong feelings on the faddy-febe dynamic now. I was feeling a bit uneasy about fireblend today but then saw he grabbed a bunch of attention recently so don't want to jump onto that. Like I said just about, there's a decent amount of wifom to be had on faddy and the haikus. I'm planning to spend my energies elsewhere for the time being
 

Oliver James

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
7,791
If haiku is a scum ploy and we don't even lynch one of them, I'll be the most embarrassed I'll ever be on a Mafia game.
 
Oct 26, 2017
5,148
Hurry up and claim
FEP I know you are vigi
Claim, claim, claim, claim, claim
lol I wish

Hmm. Not getting a lot from the votes yet.

I believe Splinter is probably town, which leaves Oliver and Kalor as possible scum on the wagon at the end of the day 1. Kalor had every reason and right to be there which is NAI and the leaves Oliver as the only one I can really have questions about. Will probably read through him soon. A bit awkward because they both passed the motion detector test but not sure that's super convincing for me. Tbh, not even sure what to make of the motion detector.

I had no issues with DCPat not having a vote d1. Day end was hectic and seemed like a natural action at the time. D2 is not much to work with right now.

Back to reading. I think getting a solid read on Kalor is very important right now so he'll be my focus. I don't have a strong read on grizzly, but I don't expect him and fireblend to be on the same team. Fire is also getting higher level of scrutiny from me this time. With that d1, 3rd scum could be anywhere. Would be surprised to see two of them on the same wagon, would be surprised to see all three. Stand-out to me would then be people falling off votes, maybe worried about being caught stacking with teammates as votes shift around. In this sense, DCPat is an interesting case for not changing wagons to guarantee a lynch and just unvoting. But as said, read natural. Coolest also stands out though, for just falling off the Geno wagon and going nowhere.
 
Oct 26, 2017
5,148
So my reads changed pretty wildly on the re-read. Actually, I like Febe quite a bit. I can't make head or tails of the goddamn votes but I'm most suspicious of the ones just doing whatever. Makes me look pretty bad yesterday, yeah, but... I don't know.

I don't want Splinter out. I actually kind of like Oliver. Basically, I kind of think the Geno vote was pure. I know I haven't done much to represent myself the last few days so would forgive people jumping on me as the scum on that train but that would be a mistake.

Grizzly, I am unsure of but don't feel bad about. The thing is, everyone who popped onto Geno last minute is town. LP was weirdly sheeping my votes but we know that he was town. I started the train on Geno, popped off for a bit because I thought it was weird Grizzle and Coolest both jumped off so suddenly and took a shot at Coolest.

I sound like Terra talking about me right now I think, but I think the limited amount of attention that coolest did get is kind of strange. I'm very inclined to vote zipped today.

Vote: Zippedpinhead

Others I'm not liking so much are Faddy and DCPat. Agreed with fire's comment about Faddy's posting style now, seems to have some minor panic. DCPat is basically kind of neutral feeling for me. Not really that bad but I'm finding various reasons to like other people. Wouldn't want to vote him today at this point but if it came down to it I would choose over many other. Feel like I'm forgetting some people though. Anyone have thoughts on coolest/zipped?

Would vote: Zipped, Faddy
Hesitant would: Kalor, DCPat, Grizzly
Not feeling it: Splinter, Terra, Fire, Oliver

I don't actually have bad feelings about Kalor but there is so much info to be had from that lynch.
 

Terraforce

One Winged Slayer
The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
18,918
I still want to see more from FEP, but for now I'm at least satiated. I had a feeling my push for him wouldn't gain too much traction, but I was hoping that the pressure would get to him.

His evaluations seem fair without merely being a copy-paste of what everyone else said. The fact that he not only reread, but was willing to quickly amend his reads on people is a pretty big point in his favor. You normally wouldn't expect scum to openly change their opinions so much as that has the potential to lead to inconsistency, which any good town player will easily catch onto. His openness subtly implies to me that he doesn't have that fear because what he says is genuine.

I'm likely not going to be able to post much before EoD tomorrow, and there's a good chance the split will be Fireblend-Faddy, so I'm going to put my money where my mouth is.

Vote: Faddy

Fireblend has been one of my more comfortable town reads as I've said for a while now, and several of his most recent posts echo some of my own thoughts and things I have vocalized in this very thread. Faddy isn't even bothering to answer basic questions and he's flopping all over the place, so no favors have been done since my last threat of voting him.
 
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