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LL_Decitrig

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So is this basically confirmation that we're getting less content in this season than the last few years? That's kind of sad.

To be fair, the previous pace of the revived series has run two youngish showrunners into the ground, and even forced a complete year off in between Series 9 and 10. Chris Chibnall is only being sensible about what he can deliver.
 

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Terror of the Autons
Not too bad, but feels like a noticeable step back from not just Inferno but all four of those first Pertwee serials. Tonally this just seems sillier. The Autons are back, but don't feel nearly as creepy or sinister as they did in Sinister. This serial also marks the debut of Roger Delgado as the Master, whose character is a very weird contradiction for me: I like Delgado's performance but simultaneously find the Master to be a really ridiculous antagonist, with dumb plans (which, after finally achieving them in the end, he decides not to undo it after the Doctor pokes a very obvious hole in the Master's logic). There's a ton of CSO in here that looks awful, particularly the little demon doll that comes to life whenever it's hot (did these effects even look good in 1971?).

But I think the biggest indicator of the regression, for me, is replacing Liz with Jo as the Doctor's companion. I really liked Liz. Smart, funny, sharp; she could go to toe-to-toe with the Doctor, and that dynamic felt believable. Here, she's rather unceremoniously written off and replaced with Jo Grant, who is perfectly nice and likeable, but whose characterization -- of a well-meaning, affable dope who is there to be more the Doctor's secretary than partner, and is plainly made out to be the dumbest one in the room -- feels not just retrogade compared to Liz, but downright sexist too. I don't dislike Jo, but the clear 180 from Liz to her rubbed me the wrong way right out of the gate.

Also, I wish Pertwee would stop doing this bug-eyed look whenever he's pretending to be strangled. Pertwee's Doctor is growing on me more and more, but this is by far the worst part of his performance, and he's done it like 3 or 4 times now. :lol
 
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ClivePwned

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Terror of the Autons
Not too bad, but feels like a noticeable step back from not just Inferno but all four of those first Pertwee serials. Tonally this just seems sillier. The Autons are back, but don't feel nearly as creepy or sinister as they did in Sinister. This serial also marks the debut of Roger Delgado as the Master, whose character is a very weird contradiction for me: I like Delgado's performance but simultaneously find the Master to be a really ridiculous antagonist, with dumb plans (which, after finally achieving them in the end, he decides not to undo it after the Doctor pokes a very obvious hole in the Master's logic). There's a ton of CSO in here that looks awful, particularly the little demon doll that comes to life whenever it's hot (did these effects even look good in 1971?).

But I think the biggest indicator of the regression, for me, is replacing Liz with Jo as the Doctor's companion. I really liked Liz. Smart, funny, sharp; she could go to toe-to-toe with the Doctor, and that dynamic felt believable. Here, she's rather unceremoniously written off and replaced with Jo Grant, who is perfectly nice and likeable, but whose characterization -- of a well-meaning, affable dope who is there to be more the Doctor's secretary than partner, and is plainly made out to be the dumbest one in the room -- feels not just retrogade compared to Liz, but downright sexist too. I don't dislike Jo, but the clear 180 from Liz to her rubbed me the wrong way right out of the gate.

Also, I wish Pertwee would stop doing this bug-eyed look whenever he's pretending to be strangled. Pertwee's Doctor is growing on me more and more, but this is by far the worst part of his performance, and he's done it like 3 or 4 times now. :lol

Uh, he does that a lot. Also look for lots of neck rubs when he's thinking. Oh and his 'protesting while being lead away' acting. Still I love his stories for all their goofiness and the fact that he's one of the few Doctor's who put a unique stamp on the role.
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also as far as Chromakey/CSO (the BBC name for it was Colour Separation Overlay), the producer at the time, Barry Letts, also directed this. He thought CSO could be used for everything and he championed it so a lot of his stories use it a lot. Terror of the Autons is probably the one where the use of photos for backdrops is most egregious and its not so bad after this. The series would use CSO a lot throughout the seventies (they pulled back on using it in the 80s) with variable success. The worst offenders aren't because of the tech, but because the process needed proper lighting and these scenes were invariably set up and recording insanely quickly at the end of the very limited studio time (4 parters like Terror of the Autons would have all of four days in a studio)

the worst CSO offenders, in my view are
Terror of the Autons, Claws of Axos, Mutants, Green Death, Invasion of the Dinosaurs, Planet of the Spiders, Robot (the tank), Masque of Mandragora, Invisible Enemy, and Underworld. Underworld by far. There's also Meglos as the last time there was a major amount of CSO but that's done relatively well, even if its still obvious.
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Radiophonic

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Terror of the Autons
Not too bad, but feels like a noticeable step back from not just Inferno but all four of those first Pertwee serials. Tonally this just seems sillier. The Autons are back, but don't feel nearly as creepy or sinister as they did in Sinister. This serial also marks the debut of Roger Delgado as the Master, whose character is a very weird contradiction for me: I like Delgado's performance but simultaneously find the Master to be a really ridiculous antagonist, with dumb plans (which, after finally achieving them in the end, he decides not to undo it after the Doctor pokes a very obvious hole in the Master's logic). There's a ton of CSO in here that looks awful, particularly the little demon doll that comes to life whenever it's hot (did these effects even look good in 1971?).

But I think the biggest indicator of the regression, for me, is replacing Liz with Jo as the Doctor's companion. I really liked Liz. Smart, funny, sharp; she could go to toe-to-toe with the Doctor, and that dynamic felt believable. Here, she's rather unceremoniously written off and replaced with Jo Grant, who is perfectly nice and likeable, but whose characterization -- of a well-meaning, affable dope who is there to be more the Doctor's secretary than partner, and is plainly made out to be the dumbest one in the room -- feels not just retrogade compared to Liz, but downright sexist too. I don't dislike Jo, but the clear 180 from Liz to her rubbed me the wrong way right out of the gate.

Also, I wish Pertwee would stop doing this bug-eyed look whenever he's pretending to be strangled. Pertwee's Doctor is growing on me more and more, but this is by far the worst part of his performance, and he's done it like 3 or 4 times now. :lol
Pertwee's second series is the "Master series," so if you didn't like the way the Master was handled...you may not like what is coming up. Going from Liz to Jo is pretty wrenching in terms of characters, and I was never a big fan of Jo, but it's unfortunate they never at the very least made use of some of her supposed credentials. Liz was awesome though, too bad they couldn't figure out how to balance her against the Doctor more effectively.
 

WhovianGamer

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Absolutely hate the logo. Looks really naff and generic to me. I'm really dreading this next series so far. Not because of Jodie, but because of Chibs. Didn't like a single one of his Who episodes to date.
 

CommodoreKong

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Absolutely hate the logo. Looks really naff and generic to me. I'm really dreading this next series so far. Not because of Jodie, but because of Chibs. Didn't like a single one of his Who episodes to date.

Yeah he hasn't written any standout episodes yet like Davis or Moffat did. We'll see how he does but I'm somewhat worried about the writing quality.
 

LL_Decitrig

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Yeah he hasn't written any standout episodes yet like Davis or Moffat did. We'll see how he does but I'm somewhat worried about the writing quality.

I had to look up his shows, which are 42, The Hungry Earth/In Cold Blood, Dinosaurs on a Spaceship and The Power of Three. I enjoyed all except 42, an episode that probably sounded great on paper but played out rather flat. The Silurian two-parter is a particular favourite of mine.

I've already mentioned the episode he wrote for Life on Mars series 1 a couple of times. I recommend it highly for its combination of detective fiction and social justice issues.
 

EvilRedEye

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I can't look at a new Doctor Who logo without seeing the open grave it will be cast into in a few years time when they come up with an even newer logo and supplant the outgoing one with the generic grey franchise logo.
 

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I had to look up his shows, which are 42, The Hungry Earth/In Cold Blood, Dinosaurs on a Spaceship and The Power of Three. I enjoyed all except 42, an episode that probably sounded great on paper but played out rather flat. The Silurian two-parter is a particular favourite of mine.

I've already mentioned the episode he wrote for Life on Mars series 1 a couple of times. I recommend it highly for its combination of detective fiction and social justice issues.

One of my favorite characters from the Pond era was Rory's dad which was all Chibnall. I still am sad they never put that epilogue with his dad meeting Rory and Amy's son on film would have been a great. I have liked a great deal of what Chibnall has done (42 was a dud sure as was Broadchurch season 2 but still). My only disappointment thus far with decisions is the loss of two episodes in each season. More is more and less is less. I just hope the show gets onto a more consistent schedule under Chibnall. Also here is hoping he doesn't discard the Christmas special. Moffat may have made a lot of mistakes but slaving away to preserve that is something I will always like about his run.
 

LL_Decitrig

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One of my favorite characters from the Pond era was Rory's dad which was all Chibnall. I still am sad they never put that epilogue with his dad meeting Rory and Amy's son on film would have been a great.

I wonder how much of a say he had in casting Mark Williams as Rory's dad. Probably not much, but what a beautifully written character he is. Chibnall's unusual character pairings are also quite noticeable, from Nasreen and Tony to Riddell and Nefertiti.
 

Spectromixer

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Sadly, I think that they are only going to be digital for the US (Amazon only has eBook preorders up), so I might be importing.
 

Blader

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Terror of the Autons is probably the one where the use of photos for backdrops is most egregious and its not so bad after this.
Yes, I totally forgot to mention that, but that serial had an awful lot of shots of characters standing in front of what looked like really obvious photos. Which was weird, because it's not like they were elaborate backgrounds, they were shots of like phone booths or office rooms.

Pertwee's second series is the "Master series," so if you didn't like the way the Master was handled...you may not like what is coming up. Going from Liz to Jo is pretty wrenching in terms of characters, and I was never a big fan of Jo, but it's unfortunate they never at the very least made use of some of her supposed credentials. Liz was awesome though, too bad they couldn't figure out how to balance her against the Doctor more effectively.
Well I wasn't planning to watch all of them, just a few of the more well-regarded ones: Terror of the Autons, The Mind of Evil, and The Sea Devils (and I had already seen The Daemons). But yeah, halfway through The Mind of Evil right now, and I'm not really feeling either the Master or Jo. Also, while I am liking Pertwee much more now than I did when I first watched some of his episodes, it does feel like the introduction of Jo is bringing out more of the asshole Third Doctor that I remember disliking so much. :lol

Maybe when I'm done with this I'll just skip over the next couple seasons and go right to his last year, when Sarah Jane came on to the show.
 

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What weird covers. Different pieces of already existing art with different effects overlaid, with the Autons and Daleks looking like they were plucked off a 70s cover. I am assuming they were working off a tiny budget, but a little more originality would have been nice.

The point is that they're supposed to look like the target novelizations from the 70s, which these are essentially a spiritual revival of... so if they look 70s, it's Mission Accomplished!

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The modern re-issues of these novels look the same, retaining the same artwork but feature the same logo/author/title treatment as these, so it's in keeping with the rest of the set. Weirdly, my main issue is that they've just chosen promo shots of the actors to use at random, so that's clearly a Series 2 Rose on that cover and the Tennant picture on the cover of The Christmas Invasion is one of him looking older from The End of Time, but hey-ho. Love 'em anyway.
 

ClivePwned

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i look at the use of poorly photoshopped photos rather than a painting and cringe. I had a lot of the targets as a kid (usually with either Tom Baker logo covers or 80s neon tube logos and the new covers look like bad fan art.

Nice that they're doing these but they missed a trick by not getting Terrance Dicks to do them.
"Wheezing and Groaning sound ," for the TARDIS sound or "pleasant open face (his stock description of the 5th Doctor)
 

Radiophonic

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The point is that they're supposed to look like the target novelizations from the 70s, which these are essentially a spiritual revival of... so if they look 70s, it's Mission Accomplished!

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The modern re-issues of these novels look the same, retaining the same artwork but feature the same logo/author/title treatment as these, so it's in keeping with the rest of the set. Weirdly, my main issue is that they've just chosen promo shots of the actors to use at random, so that's clearly a Series 2 Rose on that cover and the Tennant picture on the cover of The Christmas Invasion is one of him looking older from The End of Time, but hey-ho. Love 'em anyway.
Yeah, I had plenty of them, so I get what they're trying to do. They just look lazy. Not that it'll keep me from buying them...
 
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Those covers aren't photoshopped- the artist posted the pencils on Twitter. It's pointillism, based upon existing photographs.
 
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