If he took the time to multiquote a bunch of meaningless posts that skirted across the main accusations then he can take the time to put 1 and 1 together and answer one simple, universal question.
You're not obligated to protect him btw
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A Message to ResetERA from Denis Dyack
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If he took the time to multiquote a bunch of meaningless posts that skirted across the main accusations then he can take the time to put 1 and 1 together and answer one simple, universal question.
You're not obligated to protect him btw
If it's like the last post, he's probably answering like 20+ quotes right now. It may also be really late, so I hope the mods allow him some room to come out in the clear about this, as I'm really curious at the result before making any permanent decision.
(Not that it should take that long to simply write "no" but I guess I'm an optimist)
(Not that it should take that long to simply write "no" but I guess I'm an optimist)
That is true. The stalking is absurd and obscene and I'm honestly flabbergasted that so many people who otherwise seem sensible are okay with it. It's not about free speech or public spaces or anything like that. It's transparent antagonist. If you have something serious to say to Anita Sarkesian, contact her and ask for a meeting. Talk in private. Zero opportunity for you to show off to your sycophantic followers. But they don't have anything serious to say to her. It's all smugness and condescending assholery, for lack of a better term.
I understand not agreeing with Anita Sarkeesian. Many similar cultural critics face such criticism, including you know, religious ones and such. Most of them take criticism in good spirit. Their ideas are discussed. Sometimes things get heated, but it's generally okay. But what we see with Sarkeesian is just plain twisted. They don't sit down and talk about her arguments in a calm and respectful manner. What we see is fear. Fear that game developers are somehow immature children who can't think for themselves. That Anita is going to somehow brainwash them. That is so absurd. Is it any wonder the alt-right got their hooks into these people and their audience? They were asking to be led up the garden path.
Yes. Era is not Gaf. It's a condescending and silly, goal post moving question. Stop it.
All the people of this Forum want is for Denis to explain in a straight forward manner if he is either For or Against a hate group.
A perfectly reasonable request.
this is where I stand. I am hoping you didn't just want praise and adoration from fans and are willing to debate your stance. You MUST have seen this coming seeing how the community largely migrated from the other forum. I think people and moderation are willing to debate the issue if you're here to do so.
Is it a "witch hunt" if someone says numerous, numerous times that they're a witch, even as recent as two months ago? And when asked if they're one, responds with "1+1=2"?
Seems to me that Denis Dyack done a few things right, but even more things wrong. So I have no interest in what he might be doing next, I don't even know why I bother posting in this thread...
He could just answer one post since they're all fundamentally the same question.
Well, my expectations were low, but I'm still disappointed. A lot of ass-kissing that goes on forever (seriously, how hard is it to just say "thank you for all the kind words" and then move on and post something of substance? very hard, apparently), denials, evasions,.... 1+1=2? What even is this? lol
Because for many years, there had been no consensus on what was a witch hunt and what was genuine news. What is actually relevant to gaming, and what is unrelated personal affairs being smeared all over the news? Witch hunts and harassment campaigns should never be allowed on gaming sites. Period. The problem was that too many harassment campaigns and witch hunts had been allowed to flourish in the past. This created a perception of favoritism.
What is this even referring to? Witch hunts? Perception of favouritism?
I tried to explain this to people. That is is wrong to destroy people's lives over paper thin rumours, hearsay, and personal rubbish that has no place in a gaming context. That deleting comments bringing up someone's personal life in a thread about their game is not wrong.
Here, the last sentence appears to contradict the rest.
In any case, this is all moot because, no, the truth isn't "more complicated". It was never about ethics in journalism. From day one it was about harassing a woman, and then later, many women, all of them feminists. There are no excuses. Let's stop muddying the waters here. The journalism stuff was always nothing more than a shield.
That's a lot of words to.... not say much. Like, I can't even get what you're saying at times because it's so vague. For example:
Because for many years, there had been no consensus on what was a witch hunt and what was genuine news. What is actually relevant to gaming, and what is unrelated personal affairs being smeared all over the news? Witch hunts and harassment campaigns should never be allowed on gaming sites. Period. The problem was that too many harassment campaigns and witch hunts had been allowed to flourish in the past. This created a perception of favoritism.
What is this even referring to? Witch hunts? Perception of favouritism?
I tried to explain this to people. That is is wrong to destroy people's lives over paper thin rumours, hearsay, and personal rubbish that has no place in a gaming context. That deleting comments bringing up someone's personal life in a thread about their game is not wrong.
Here, the last sentence appears to contradict the rest.
In any case, this is all moot because, no, the truth isn't "more complicated". It was never about ethics in journalism. From day one it was about harassing a woman, and then later, many women, all of them feminists. There are no excuses. Let's stop muddying the waters here. The journalism stuff was always nothing more than a shield.
This.
If you're suggesting that people being unsatisfied with ridiculous non-answers is equal to a witch hunt, you are sorely mistaken, and I strongly advise you drop this line of rhetoric.
Privacy? He is the one who wanted the attention offered to him by this thread that he requested himself. This forum isn't a platform to receive adulation. You only have to look at how he decided to gush at every positive remark individually. He took the time to do that, but when asked a tough question he answers with "1+1=2". No, people are right to find that unsatisfactory.
User was warned: backseat moderation, bogus witch-hunt accusations
Jesus Christ. Dennis Dyack says something positive and supportive and within a few posts the witchhunt against him starts. This is the BS that nobody could stand on that othe forum. I and many others were looking forward to talking with him in the future. If you don't like a developer because you don't agree with something they've said in the past that's fine but don't shit up a positive thread by digging up dirt and trying to start a controversy. Nobody gives a shit and knock it off.
They were on a broomstick flying through the town on a full moon. There was literally a black cat hissing on the broomstick. They had green skin. They had a couple warts. And they even started cackling.
Then, they disappear for a bit. But they come back. Seemed to have clean up their skin, got a tan. Traded in the broom for a nice scooter.
And when we asked them "Are you still a witch", they responded with "Hmmm I don't know about that question but maybe you should be asking yourselves why you have all this water lying around when someone might get splashed!"
Totally a witch hunt.
Then, they disappear for a bit. But they come back. Seemed to have clean up their skin, got a tan. Traded in the broom for a nice scooter.
And when we asked them "Are you still a witch", they responded with "Hmmm I don't know about that question but maybe you should be asking yourselves why you have all this water lying around when someone might get splashed!"
Totally a witch hunt.
Nobody owes positivity or tolerance to someone who has used his very public presence and platform to very publicly support a hate group. Nobody is doxxing this dude. He said these things out in the open, and people want to know if he still stands by them, because if he does, his words about positivity and making gaming better are hollow as fuck.
It doesn't sound like he needs to answer the question. Sounds like you've already decided for him.
He turned me into a newt.
I seriously suggest you read the mod post right about yours.
If Bill Gates used to say NeoNazis we're ok cool dudes, you can bet your ass people would ask him if he still believed that if he wanted back into the party.
He has a right to privacy but what people are saying is that he can go be private elsewhere if he won't denounce GG.
I think this is giving too much credit. Saying they traded up to a scooter implies that they did something to distance themselves from being a witch.
Dyack did nothing. The only reason we're giving him the benefit of the doubt is that we moved to a new forum. Not him. Not anything he did. Not anything related to him. We moved. Why would would that magically cause his position to change?
Having some heavy flashbacks of when Dyack imploded last time.
Can't say I respect the man at all as both his personal stances and the way he ran a video game company are/were quite awful. I had a friend that worked at Silicon Knights a long time ago who told me about the working conditions and they were less then great to say the least.
I'm not going to throw around insults or anything of the sort but I will say that any praise that Dyack receive's comes from ignorance and is totally unwarranted.
Can't say I respect the man at all as both his personal stances and the way he ran a video game company are/were quite awful. I had a friend that worked at Silicon Knights a long time ago who told me about the working conditions and they were less then great to say the least.
I'm not going to throw around insults or anything of the sort but I will say that any praise that Dyack receive's comes from ignorance and is totally unwarranted.
Clearly people, including people on the administration, do.
If you want to open discourse with him, that's fine. It doesn't have to be at a community that is uncomfortable with his alignment to a fucking hate group.
Lots of people give a shit.
Specifically the women who's harassment he supported.
Ok... Please read the thread through first. Nobody is witch hunting, we gave him a platform to talk and he blew it.
Why the hell would you want to talk to Dennis Dyack for
He hasn't made anything of worth in 6 years
Put this into perspective; Warren Spector is contributing more for gamedev right NOW that he's done since Dyack did Twin Snakes.
I will say honestly that I don't really care if he's still willing to call himself a Gamergate if he supported them until a few months ago and still doesn't think they did anything bad. My concern isn't what he wants to call himself, it's that he has no issue supporting a hate movement, whether due to sincere belief in what they espouse or because they're simply convenient support for his ego.
It's not a witch hunt to ask for a definitive clarification about his seemingly open affiliation and support of something that he still talks about to this day in interviews.
It's difficult to avoid it, considering a gargantuan chunk of this community migrated from there. Let's not kid ourselves, this community came from Neogaf. You are probably right with your comment about applause/silence, and it was likely one of the reasons that place became a huge echo chamber on so many issues.
User was warned: ignoring mod warning, trolling
Yes, Mr. Dyack. Are you or have you ever been a member of the communist party? If you have nothing to worry about, why won't you answer the question?
He's working on System Shock 3
And his whining is way more interesting than Dyack lmfao
I love that old Disney man
If you want it in that context, people would not be asking if he were ever a member of the communist party if it was already heavily documented that he went headfirst supporting the communist party.
There's a big difference between McCarthy making shit up about people and people pointing out Dyack publicly supporting a hate group.
I'd be down with commie game devs.
I'll warn you, there's more 1+1=2 content in that video.
What is your intention with this post? What are you trying to say exactly?
Do you think apathy makes you admirable?
You know he did this here, of all places to see if he could get his name in the press again.
In this time, he would rally some real support.
In this time, he would rally some real support.
How has it gone over so many people's heads like this poster? GG hates women and the central reason for why resetera came to be is because of a dude who was an asshole to a woman. People really need to let this sink in, if they think "positivety" is the new and accepted "tolerance of intolerance."
Not to the people who started the movement but among some of those who followed it. Not everyone studied its roots and followed its creators blindly. Officially, it was about "ethics in journalism". I wasn't educated about it when it started and as a casual passerby, that is what it was about. Are you honestly suggesting that all the people who supported it, including women, did so with the goal of wanting to help abuse an innocent woman?
No, Gamer Gate was never noble but some of its supporters wanted it to be. If Dyack believed that the GG movement was about helping someone get back at his ex then he would not support it openly. No one would.
Does he explain that awful Valkyrie death scene from Too Human that went on for like 2 hours each time.
Ah, yes, equating Communists with Gamergate (A movement he said he supported because of 'ethics in games journalism' so your analogy doesn't even make sense), brilliant move.
The way this thread is turning out is making me feel profoundly uneasy. Maybe you guys are too close to it to see the ravenous way you are accusing him, but I don't think it is a good look for a community to accuse, suspect, and attack a potential member who's biggest crime is keeping his personal beliefs personal.
it's funny. in that podcast i listened to dyack said this "I still have remnants of these snarky press still coming back and the funny thing is none of them not a single one has ever said because i've said many times lets talk about it let's debate let's do a podcast never taken it up not once" so i guess we'll see if he lives up to the expectations he sets for others.
Hello, Denis_Dyack .
I'm from NeoGAF, but from a time after your controversial end with them. I never really thought of your involvement with Gaf turned out beyond the meme, but today you've made me realize that I never heard your side of the story. I listened to your podcast, and while I don't know if the whole "stand and be counted" response was the best way you could have handled the controversial opinion on Too Human, I now appreciate that we never got your side of the story and feelings about how that all went down.
With the ending of one Age, comes the dawn of a new Era, and, in many ways, things are now set in the past and forgotten about in favor of a fresh start. As it should be. At the same time however, there are still issues to be addressed. As many concerned users have brought up, your past support of gamergate is a focal point of concern. While I can see you have responded to various users about this, some who have thrown unnecessary insults into the dialogue, but with a community that values the safety, wellbeing, and diversity of it's audience.
To this end, there is a question throughout this forum that simply must be answered regarding you. You can choose to not answer it, but until it is clarified, it will follow you to every thread you participate in. Because if there is anything that this forum was founded on, it is the idea that talk of videogames is not prioritized over the wellbeing of people. It's not because of a crusade or anything of the sort. These are merely the principal values of this community and they supercede anything else. So...
Do you still support Gamergate as a movement?
Before you answer however, please read the rest of the post, as I've seen certain responses not to this topic, but around this topic that I want to clear up. Specifically, your use of Ad-hominem and the 1+1=2 argument.
With respect, I feel you're not quite using the fallacy correctly. From your reply to Ninjascooter's post was "That it was the very definition of an ad hominem attack". That's not quite correct. Employing Ad Hominem isn't merely that you use an insult to attack your opponent, but rather that you use that insult to shut down an opponent's argument. It is the difference between "You're stupid and therefore wrong" and "You're wrong (for valid reasons) and therefore stupid". You can actually insult a person between valid arguments all you want without it being an ad hominem. It's not classy, but it's not a fallacy either. However, Ninjascooter wasn't technically insulting you or using insults to shut down your argument. He saying that truly abhorrent things aren't thrown away and forgotten merely because it's a new forum. And this is true. Certain individuals that have displayed racism, misogyny, have a history of harassment, etc, they're not allowed here because those things are considered too wrong to forget.
Simialrly, his other post here, again insults you a lot, however, the actual argument he is putting forth (that you have public representation issues in the industry) is potentially a valid reason for why a publisher might hesitate to work with you. I'm not saying he's correct in this assessment, because who knows what kind of connections you have or how the big heads of corperations percieve you...you mention that Nintendo has no issues working with you. Good for you...but if he is wrong, he's not wrong because he insulted you, he's wrong because he clearly doesn't know the industry as well as he thinks. Ninjascooter's post was merely rude, his argument was not employing a fallacy.
Please don't walk away from this post as meaning to imply Ninjascooter's assessment of your character is something I agree with. I'm merely trying to clarify what does and does not qualify as a legitimate ad hominem fallacy, and one person simply insulting another is not it.
Lastly, there's this post by White Glint. Now, this is an attack on your character, but whats more interesting is your response. I quote it here in full: "I have not supported anything abhorrent. Regardless, this is the very definition of an ad-hominem attack. The question really needs to be is 1 + 1 = 2 now wrong because you have somehow come to the conclusion that I was "supporting abhorrent bullshit". I would forward that 1+1 = 2 correct. Consider being open to the possibility that 1 + 1 = 2 might actually be correct." The argument you're imploying here, which is to exemplify the Ad Hominem fallacy, is that simply because someone dislikes you or calls you an idiot when you're saying something truthful like 1+1=2, then that person is the one that's wrong.
The thing is, you're not the only one who can do the math.
We have all made our own assessments of Gamergate and many of us have found it to be indeed abhorrent. It is a fundamentally about silencing and harassing and threatening women into silence. Gamergate has actually driven several women out of the game industry that, according to your own words in the podcast and here, should be an inclusive environment where every voice is heard. If you need us to show our work, feel free to ask. I'll be going to sleep, but the victims of Gamergate are a quick google search away, so plenty of other users will be happy to provide the 'numbers'. So, from what I can tell, if you do support gamergate while simultaneously claiming to "never have supported anything abhorrent" and "Never have condoned the harassment of women"....well, I don't think your math is going to check out with that equation.
Of course, gamergate is a complex topic with people having complex histories surrounding it. If you need to explain yourself, explain your thoughts, do so. We'll listen with an open mind. Frankly, this is your chance to banish this mark against you as far as several members of the community are concerned. If you truly don't support anything abhorrent, that will be made clear in your statement of yourself.
But that statement needs to be made. Why did you support gamergate? How have your thoughts changed, if at all? Why did you come to the conclusions you came to? How do you view gamergate now? But above all, the community needs this answered, so please reply with a something straightforward and clear so we can put this matter to bed:
Do you still support Gamergate as a movement?
I'm from NeoGAF, but from a time after your controversial end with them. I never really thought of your involvement with Gaf turned out beyond the meme, but today you've made me realize that I never heard your side of the story. I listened to your podcast, and while I don't know if the whole "stand and be counted" response was the best way you could have handled the controversial opinion on Too Human, I now appreciate that we never got your side of the story and feelings about how that all went down.
With the ending of one Age, comes the dawn of a new Era, and, in many ways, things are now set in the past and forgotten about in favor of a fresh start. As it should be. At the same time however, there are still issues to be addressed. As many concerned users have brought up, your past support of gamergate is a focal point of concern. While I can see you have responded to various users about this, some who have thrown unnecessary insults into the dialogue, but with a community that values the safety, wellbeing, and diversity of it's audience.
To this end, there is a question throughout this forum that simply must be answered regarding you. You can choose to not answer it, but until it is clarified, it will follow you to every thread you participate in. Because if there is anything that this forum was founded on, it is the idea that talk of videogames is not prioritized over the wellbeing of people. It's not because of a crusade or anything of the sort. These are merely the principal values of this community and they supercede anything else. So...
Do you still support Gamergate as a movement?
Before you answer however, please read the rest of the post, as I've seen certain responses not to this topic, but around this topic that I want to clear up. Specifically, your use of Ad-hominem and the 1+1=2 argument.
With respect, I feel you're not quite using the fallacy correctly. From your reply to Ninjascooter's post was "That it was the very definition of an ad hominem attack". That's not quite correct. Employing Ad Hominem isn't merely that you use an insult to attack your opponent, but rather that you use that insult to shut down an opponent's argument. It is the difference between "You're stupid and therefore wrong" and "You're wrong (for valid reasons) and therefore stupid". You can actually insult a person between valid arguments all you want without it being an ad hominem. It's not classy, but it's not a fallacy either. However, Ninjascooter wasn't technically insulting you or using insults to shut down your argument. He saying that truly abhorrent things aren't thrown away and forgotten merely because it's a new forum. And this is true. Certain individuals that have displayed racism, misogyny, have a history of harassment, etc, they're not allowed here because those things are considered too wrong to forget.
Simialrly, his other post here, again insults you a lot, however, the actual argument he is putting forth (that you have public representation issues in the industry) is potentially a valid reason for why a publisher might hesitate to work with you. I'm not saying he's correct in this assessment, because who knows what kind of connections you have or how the big heads of corperations percieve you...you mention that Nintendo has no issues working with you. Good for you...but if he is wrong, he's not wrong because he insulted you, he's wrong because he clearly doesn't know the industry as well as he thinks. Ninjascooter's post was merely rude, his argument was not employing a fallacy.
Please don't walk away from this post as meaning to imply Ninjascooter's assessment of your character is something I agree with. I'm merely trying to clarify what does and does not qualify as a legitimate ad hominem fallacy, and one person simply insulting another is not it.
Lastly, there's this post by White Glint. Now, this is an attack on your character, but whats more interesting is your response. I quote it here in full: "I have not supported anything abhorrent. Regardless, this is the very definition of an ad-hominem attack. The question really needs to be is 1 + 1 = 2 now wrong because you have somehow come to the conclusion that I was "supporting abhorrent bullshit". I would forward that 1+1 = 2 correct. Consider being open to the possibility that 1 + 1 = 2 might actually be correct." The argument you're imploying here, which is to exemplify the Ad Hominem fallacy, is that simply because someone dislikes you or calls you an idiot when you're saying something truthful like 1+1=2, then that person is the one that's wrong.
The thing is, you're not the only one who can do the math.
We have all made our own assessments of Gamergate and many of us have found it to be indeed abhorrent. It is a fundamentally about silencing and harassing and threatening women into silence. Gamergate has actually driven several women out of the game industry that, according to your own words in the podcast and here, should be an inclusive environment where every voice is heard. If you need us to show our work, feel free to ask. I'll be going to sleep, but the victims of Gamergate are a quick google search away, so plenty of other users will be happy to provide the 'numbers'. So, from what I can tell, if you do support gamergate while simultaneously claiming to "never have supported anything abhorrent" and "Never have condoned the harassment of women"....well, I don't think your math is going to check out with that equation.
Of course, gamergate is a complex topic with people having complex histories surrounding it. If you need to explain yourself, explain your thoughts, do so. We'll listen with an open mind. Frankly, this is your chance to banish this mark against you as far as several members of the community are concerned. If you truly don't support anything abhorrent, that will be made clear in your statement of yourself.
But that statement needs to be made. Why did you support gamergate? How have your thoughts changed, if at all? Why did you come to the conclusions you came to? How do you view gamergate now? But above all, the community needs this answered, so please reply with a something straightforward and clear so we can put this matter to bed:
Do you still support Gamergate as a movement?
No his biggest crime is openly supporting a hateful, misogynist group. Which you are so conveniently dodging. Why am I not surprised?
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