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Fat4all

Woke up, got a money tag, swears a lot
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Natiko

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Just whine in here right now.

Or send me whiny PMs.
It's nothing huge - just doesn't seem like we should allow people to use activity from outside of the thread as a defense when you can't use it as an attack. Especially since sometimes it's used simultaneously while scolding the other player for questioning their activity level due to said rule.

"I'm only less active because I've been playing Bingo all night with grandma. But how dare you bring up my activity level! There's rules against that!" - Fictional Person

It's seems especially wrong since often times the person pointing out that a player's activity level has changed is in no way referencing anything outside of the thread. Why should the player being accused get to reference activity outside of the thread then as a defense? Would rather see them spend their time posting about other topics than posting about activity outside of the thread that no one else can even respond to in a meaningful way. If a player does feel like they're being accused in a manner that they truly feel breaks the rule then take it to the gamerunner to enforce. I think I brought this up after my first game due to a kerfuffle related to it and was told it's sort of run off the honor code. But honestly do any of us think this quasi-loophole hasn't been abused before?

At the same time I get that it can be useful to let people know you won't be around for awhile due to this or that. I don't know what, if anything, should be changed. Just figured it was worth mentioning. I might be the only one that it bothers for that matter and seeing as I typically don't play my opinion isn't too pertinent.
 

Natiko

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Here I thought you wouldn't realize I was talking about you if I didn't name names. Nothing gets past the great Sorian, ace detective.
 

Hecht

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Oct 24, 2017
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I mean, I kinda get your point, but the fact is that IRL stuff does happen. The basic rule is "don't lie about it." Of course it's on the honor system, and if we then look at scum chat and we see that the player is using that excuse deliberately to mislead the players, then it's an issue.

If you don't want to post, don't post. If you get called out because you suddenly changed your posting frequency, then it's up to you whether you want to claim a reason behind it. I don't think we penalize players for playing differently (apart from the post minimums), and Game Runners should be cognizant of players who are unfairly calling out other players because they are questioning IRL activity.
 

Natiko

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It just feels like an unnecessary back and forth I guess. I don't think it's truly impacting anything because I find it unlikely that someone would or would not be lynched swinging solely on an argument such as that. To be fair I was never in a situation where I had activity dip like that to the point of being called out so it's possible I don't have a full view of the situation.
 

*Splinter

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It's nothing huge - just doesn't seem like we should allow people to use activity from outside of the thread as a defense when you can't use it as an attack. Especially since sometimes it's used simultaneously while scolding the other player for questioning their activity level due to said rule.

"I'm only less active because I've been playing Bingo all night with grandma. But how dare you bring up my activity level! There's rules against that!" - Fictional Person

It's seems especially wrong since often times the person pointing out that a player's activity level has changed is in no way referencing anything outside of the thread. Why should the player being accused get to reference activity outside of the thread then as a defense? Would rather see them spend their time posting about other topics than posting about activity outside of the thread that no one else can even respond to in a meaningful way. If a player does feel like they're being accused in a manner that they truly feel breaks the rule then take it to the gamerunner to enforce. I think I brought this up after my first game due to a kerfuffle related to it and was told it's sort of run off the honor code. But honestly do any of us think this quasi-loophole hasn't been abused before?

At the same time I get that it can be useful to let people know you won't be around for awhile due to this or that. I don't know what, if anything, should be changed. Just figured it was worth mentioning. I might be the only one that it bothers for that matter and seeing as I typically don't play my opinion isn't too pertinent.
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*Splinter

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I've been thinking the same thing. Yes sometimes you're too busy to post, but some players have been leaning way too heavily on this as an excuse.

We all get busy. The IRL excuse is quite disruptive, please use it sparingly.
 

tellNoel

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Oct 26, 2017
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Would rather see them spend their time posting about other topics than posting about activity outside of the thread that no one else can even respond to in a meaningful way.
I understand where you're coming from Natiko, I really do. After all:

8. Treat this game as a commitment. Remember that other players' fun is dependent on your participation; this game only works if you remain reasonably active.

And i am guilty of being not as active as i would like to be during games and admittedly enough, a couple of my posts refer to IRL circumstances as an excuse.
Life happens, it really does, but I do want to contribute to the game and I like to make sure I communicate with the thread that I will be gone for "x" hours or so.
With that being said, I do catch up with the thread pages i have missed afterwords.

I always abide by this rule though.
9. If you do not post in this thread at least ten posts per Day Phase period without prior permission, you will be sent a warning via PM. If you fail to meet the ten posts per Day Phase minimum again after receiving a warning you will be Replaced and removed from the game.

Since I was especially busy with studying for exams during Day 1 of this current game, I barely made the quota. And people were already talking about getting rid of me in the thread.
Which is fine, I understand that. But after my IRL shit diminished a little during Day 2, I intended to boost my post count up so as to not to hinder anyone's experience.

Some people are better than juggling IRL with activity here. I'm trying to be more and more that person.
And hopefully the people that sign up to play these games are able to recognize the amount of time and effort that the game runners and staff put into making these games happen and that will motivate them to post more so that everyone can have a more enjoyable time.

Sorry if this post doesn't make sense. It's early and I didn't get much sleep last night lol
 

*Splinter

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You're fine Tearable, IRL does happen.

Just want to clarify I'm not criticising people for being busy. I'm talking about how you communicate that to the thread and being mindful of its impact on the game.
 

Natiko

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You're fine Tearable, IRL does happen.

Just want to clarify I'm not criticising people for being busy. I'm talking about how you communicate that to the thread and being mindful of its impact on the game.
Yeah, I agree with Splinter TearablePuns . I'm not saying stuff won't happen and that's why I even mentioned I know it does and am not sure what, if anything, should be done about it. I also wasn't singling anyone out with it - I just know while spectating the last season or so I've seen it referenced excessively at times. Maybe it really just does come down to trying to get players to realize to not lean on it too much. If something came up you can say so but no need to repeatedly use it as a defense.
 

Faddy

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Yeah, I agree with Splinter TearablePuns . I'm not saying stuff won't happen and that's why I even mentioned I know it does and am not sure what, if anything, should be done about it. I also wasn't singling anyone out with it - I just know while spectating the last season or so I've seen it referenced excessively at times. Maybe it really just does come down to trying to get players to realize to not lean on it too much. If something came up you can say so but no need to repeatedly use it as a defense.

Don't lie. You were throwing shade at Dr. Monkey and her board game night. Gloomhaven, that doesn't even sound real!

My actual real answer is that things come up and don't get upset about it. People who want to provide details about why they are MIA is fine. If people just want to say they are afk without a reason, that is also fine. For me that is always better than an unexplained drop. Lying about that stuff shouldn't be tolerated though since we do outright ban countering it with outside thread activity.
 

Natiko

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I think it's more when it's repeatedly referenced by the player despite no one countering their IRL excuse. Saying it once is fine, half a dozen times just feels like cheaply shutting down conversations.
 

cabot

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Oct 25, 2017
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I only really mention real life stuff if it's a significant part of a day phase.


Like if people giving me shit for being away for like half a day then fuck em. That's some fuddy reasoning.
 

Faddy

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Oct 25, 2017
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I think it's more when it's repeatedly referenced by the player despite no one countering their IRL excuse. Saying it once is fine, half a dozen times just feels like cheaply shutting down conversations.

If it gets excessive then it is acceptable to call the player out for failing to participate in the game imo. I would rather have half assed reads than "I haven't caught up because x, y and z"

Let's imagine there was a game called "Good Guys vs Bad Guys" that had generated thousands of dumb posts making it really hard to keep up with. If someone didn't read for a while and came back to 10 pages of nonsense I would rather they just quickly skimmed and gave reads rather than talk about how they are out of the loop.

The comparison between a quick skim and close reading of the game is worthwhile info for town.
 
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