I don't think it's cool in the majority of cases but at that point my opinion doesn't matter, the younger person is a legal adult and they can tell me to go fuck myself.
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France to set legal age of sexual consent as 15
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abuse or sex with power dynamics should be illegal regardless of the age of people involved
Stop it. This is what I was replying to, after which you replied to me:
In France?
I mean I don't know.
Opposite direction example: in the US, setting the drinking age at 21 when you can vote and join the army at 18. Age of consent varies from state to state but it's often lower than 18. Whereas sex is the most consequential of those things listed, and drinking is probably the least.
I don't understand how any legal jurisdiction can say someone isn't an adult yet them having sex with adults is okay.
Ok i agree bad example but i was mostly calling towards the issue of Adults versus Kids
Im not trying to say teens abusing each other is somehow acceptable
Thats off topic anyways
User Banned (1 month): Defending sexual attraction to minors.
I get the desire to not go round and round about things, but pedophilia is a real thing - attraction to pre-pubescent individuals. "Ephebophilia" isn't a real thing- you are supposed to want to have sex with people that are as low as 13 and 14 years old. That is biologically part of the purpose of the changes the body undergoes with puberty - the body is signaling to others that it is ready to procreate. That our societies morally disapprove of acting on these impulses (as well we should) is not really relevant to people's desires.
Age of consent used to be 14 in Canada, but was raised to 16 a few years back. Though we do have a "close-in-age exception".
Then I guess something's wrong with me because I'm not attracted to 13 year olds in the slightest.
age of consent is age of consent. You're legally considered able to consent. Why does that need to have additional age gates?
Also, why was this change even needed? Whats the point of having an age of consent if there aren't severe repercussions for breaking it? The very definition means that if you have sex below that age, you can't have consented. Sex without consent is rape - simple.
people really should learn what pedophilia is before they go throw that term around.
it's about wanting to have sex with pre-pubescent kids. kids that haven't reached puberty. most people reach puberty at like 12 or 13. i think a 15 year old would not be that attractive for someone who's a pedophile.
pedophilia as a term is not defined by the 18-year-old cut off age that's applied in many other things. a 19 year old being attracted to a 17 year old is not a pedophile.
not that i'm saying it's ok for a 50 year old to fuck a 15 year old, but "Before anyone jumps in to defend this. Defending age of consent under 18 is defending pedophilia." is really absurd.
it's about wanting to have sex with pre-pubescent kids. kids that haven't reached puberty. most people reach puberty at like 12 or 13. i think a 15 year old would not be that attractive for someone who's a pedophile.
pedophilia as a term is not defined by the 18-year-old cut off age that's applied in many other things. a 19 year old being attracted to a 17 year old is not a pedophile.
not that i'm saying it's ok for a 50 year old to fuck a 15 year old, but "Before anyone jumps in to defend this. Defending age of consent under 18 is defending pedophilia." is really absurd.
You don't know what that term means do you? How many pre-pubescent 18 year olds do you know?
Do you know the meaning of the word pedophilia?
Pedophilia, or paedophilia, is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children.
Now, a 16-17 years old boy or girl is "prepubescent"?
C'mon, every almost nation has a "before 18 age of consent".
This topic is an embarassment
https://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Sexandyoungpeople/Pages/Readytogoalltheway.aspx
I hope some of you never teach sex education or are in any roles of support/counselling for teenagers.
Most civilised countries follow something like the above for teen sex education, legalities and health concerns.
https://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Sexandyoungpeople/Pages/Readytogoalltheway.aspx
I hope some of you never teach sex education or are in any roles of support/counselling for teenagers.
Most civilised countries follow something like the above for teen sex education, legalities and health concerns.
Eh, that's pretty common in high school too. Millions of seniors have dated sophomores.
Whether it's accurate to brain development or not, 18 is the point in which people can be voting, land owning adults. I don't think it should be acceptable for a grown ass adult to have sex with anyone younger than that, as long as we apply Romeo/Juliet laws to ensure younger adults won't be unfairly hurt.
Uh, no. You're free to argue in favor of setting the legal age of consent at 18 if you want -- it's a defensible position -- but somebody who argues in favor of setting at 16 instead is not a pedophile.
Yeah, some people are REALLY eager to throw "pedo" around without actually knowing what it means. Odd.
Somebody who argues in favor of setting it at 16 is advocating for 35 year olds having sex with high schoolers.
It may not be technically pedophilia, but is it any more defensible?
User Banned (1 month): Defending sexual attraction to minors.
Never seen someone in a tight pair of short shorts walking down the street, then they turn around and they're clearly young, making you feel guilty for finding it attractive? Not quite the same, but how about someone with lovely long hair and they turn around and its a guy? In both situations your initial attraction was based on limited context. Doesn't mean you would have sex with either of them, but doesn't stop basic physical attraction.
This is the simple lens I like to view it
I would even be open to bumping that number to 21 personally
If the country has sufficient sex ed so that they know how to have safe sex, and if no power dynamics (including one being able to help the other in their career, being in any position of power over the other, or any kind of compensation for sex) I think that they should be able to?
I would personally give a grown ass person going for sex with teenagers a huge side eye, but I don't think that legally we should take away the power of people in that age range to consent to sex.
i've actually even heard that term when someone who's like 40 is dating a 19 year old. some people here are being ridiculous. use the word creep, sure. but unless it's about someone wanting to fuck a child, pedophilia shouldn't be brought up.
yeah sure, THAT'S the embarrassing thing in this thread
People is really fixated on quoting SG-17 post, and its a post I don't really agree but
this here I do agree. It's a pretty clear difference that some people seems to ignore.
this here I do agree. It's a pretty clear difference that some people seems to ignore.
Surely a thread on a law or a law change deserves some exactitude.
Also some maybe aren't fond of being mislabelled pedos because by the predominantly American userbase on here.
This is why we need to stop using the meme definition of pedophilia for people that sexually abuse children. Of course 15-year-olds are sexually awakened. For many it was probably happeneing earlier. Doesn't necessarily mean they can consent, but c'mon.
I can without a doubt say that neither of those have happened to me. I really don't find kids attractive, as hard as that seems to be for you to believe
Jesus H. I always wonder how many people who support this endeavor have actual children and how they can look at their 15 year old and say: "They're ready to get with a 30 year old"
Just the opposite:
I mean, nightclubs check ID at the door because its often impossible to tell by looking who is or isn't over 18. I know I took advantage of that when I was underage and trying to get served.
I f you can consent to having sex, you can consent to having sex with a much older person. I just reserve the right to call the older person sad.
Way better than the first law which was fucked up and didn't protect youngsters at all. Still think 15 is a lil young though
I don't see anyone mad dashing...but take it as you see it I guess.
Good for France. It sounded really weird when my friends told me about France laws. I would prefer 16, like the UK, but I can understand the difficulty they might have doing it.
The most important thing in my mind was making it statuary rape.
The most important thing in my mind was making it statuary rape.
Do we really need to have a paedo definition discussion when its abundantly clear we just dont want adults taking advantage of and fucking teens and pre teens?
Is this hard?
Is this hard?
IMO it should be 14 with a rule for a gap of four ages from 14-17 (so it would be illegal for a 19 year old to have sex with a 14 year old, a 20 year old with a 15 year old, and so on). Though now that I'm thinking about it that's probably a bit too much in the way of leniency, maybe it should just be three years.
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