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When will Halo Infinite be revealed?

  • Yes, before E3

    Votes: 13 11.8%
  • Yes, during E3

    Votes: 20 18.2%
  • Wait, E3 was canceled

    Votes: 32 29.1%
  • Daisy, Daisy...

    Votes: 2 1.8%
  • I will not... allow you... to leave. This. PLANET!

    Votes: 14 12.7%
  • Halo's just dad.

    Votes: 29 26.4%

  • Total voters
    110
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Modular game eh? Perhaps that will apply to Halo 6 as well eventually, to avoid Halo 5's bloated installation?
 

Fahzzy

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Thanks for sharing Karl. I hope that the Halo Custom Edition additions being added gives the animation interpolation which makes them look smooth instead of a choppy 30fps against 60fps. A custom game browser being confirmed is really exciting and this is the 2nd time they have officially recognized the demand for a PC version. Things are looking up.

My only question is: if we can decide which games we want to download, can I avoid downloading Halo 4 and still queue into a Slayer playlist that contains Halo 1, 2, 3, and 4?
 

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My only question is: if we can decide which games we want to download, can I avoid downloading Halo 4 and still queue into a Slayer playlist that contains Halo 1, 2, 3, and 4?
They're doing away with the multiple title playlists.
We have heard feedback from the community about matchmaking times, voting, and the selection of games in playlists. In the future, we will limit playlists to a single game and remove the voting stage.
Never have to play Halo 4 again!
 

FUNKNOWN iXi

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FUCKING YES a Customs Browser for TMCC. Surely anything CE-related will be fun because there's no goddamn Infection in that game, and clan recruitment lobbies most likely won't be a thing without Forge :]
 

Rodeo Clown

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mcc might end up being my go-to game. it feels weird saying this so many years after it launched.
Well, it might finally be able to be your go-to game with fixed netcode, etc.

Playing the Halo 3 playlist brought back all those good feelings of classic Halo and I realized that I really want that again. I really, really hope they nail this patch, continue to support the game for the foreseeable future with updates, and give it away on Game Pass or GWG to sustain a good population. Classic Halo gameplay still has a place and if I want to play one flag on Headlong (and I do!) there should be an outlet for that.
 

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Yeah this is incredibly exciting for me. It would be really special if this patch would allow MLG to re-introduce Halo 2/3 into the competitive pool.
 

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Well, it might finally be able to be your go-to game with fixed netcode, etc.

Playing the Halo 3 playlist brought back all those good feelings of classic Halo and I realized that I really want that again. I really, really hope they nail this patch, continue to support the game for the foreseeable future with updates, and give it away on Game Pass or GWG to sustain a good population. Classic Halo gameplay still has a place and if I want to play one flag on Headlong (and I do!) there should be an outlet for that.

intelligent delivery + custom browser + Gamepass would be a perfect storm of awesomeness.
 
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I want the game improvements and all and that's great, but really the XB1X enhancements might be what tip me over to buy a new console. Always up for seeing shinier versions of the Halo campaigns.

(And then I'd pull a George Lucas and go back and adjust the in-game typography so they were consistent. Or at least get rid of the ALL CAPS Bakeesh littering Halo 4.)
 

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I want the game improvements and all and that's great, but really the XB1X enhancements might be what tip me over to buy a new console. Always up for seeing shinier versions of the Halo campaigns.

(And then I'd pull a George Lucas and go back and adjust the in-game typography so they were consistent. Or at least get rid of the ALL CAPS Bakeesh littering Halo 4.)

Waiting for PC might be a better option. I doubt the Xbox One X enhancements will be that significant.
 

belushy

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I have a good feeling about PC coming eventually now. Probably will still be a little while. I love that they are looking at how the custom browsers/servers work on HCE and H2V, etc. for the custom browser.
 
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Waiting for PC might be a better option. I doubt the Xbox One X enhancements will be that significant.

I'm still gonna' prefer playing them with a controller and running a Windows install isn't worth it for the limited number of stuff I use it for (I've got a VM for everything else I need) so I'd rather play it on the console where I do 85% of my gaming anyhow.
 

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Good video on Halo 5's shortcomings. I'm just glad someone demonstrated fairly well why Halo 5's soundtrack is so boring and has no subtlety. I know a lot of people defend it. It's not like it sounds bad, but it doesn't elicit various emotional responses. It's overbearing, doesn't know how to be quiet, repeats constant arpeggios with strings that ping pong back and forth between notes, and is generally too loud and bombastic. It makes for a very predictable sound that is there just to having exciting background noise.

Here's the time stamp for where this guy talks about it with examples:
 

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My only question is: if we can decide which games we want to download, can I avoid downloading Halo 4 and still queue into a Slayer playlist that contains Halo 1, 2, 3, and 4?
I see two options here:
1. Multiplayer is a download block and you have to install everything multiplayer side.
2. You can download individual games, but you'll be locked out of all cross game playlists and obviously the game you neglected to download.
 

Trup1aya

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I see two options here:
1. Multiplayer is a download block and you have to install everything multiplayer side.
2. You can download individual games, but you'll be locked out of all cross game playlists and obviously the game you neglected to download.
3. Toggle-based Matchmaking replaces playlists. If a player doesn't have the content for a certain toggle, it's greyed out.
 

belushy

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My guess is you have to have everything multiplayer related, but all the campaigns/languages can be downloaded whenever.
 

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Are people as a whole happy with the removal of voting? Nice to see multiple title playlists getting the boot but I don't understand removing voting on maps and modes. If people want to play a specific map or mode why should we be forced to do something else?

I guess at least with a customs browser it will keep some level of freedom.
 

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Are people as a whole happy with the removal of voting? Nice to see multiple title playlists getting the boot but I don't understand removing voting on maps and modes. If people want to play a specific map or mode why should we be forced to do something else?

I guess at least with a customs browser it will keep some level of freedom.

Voting presents the issue of constant video community bias. I didn't mind the veto system of Halo 3, but it still presents it's problems.

If 343 is continually receptive to feedback, then we as a community can effectively vote against a particular map/Gametype to them directly if it's a problem. This way you get forced variety if done correctly and will have a higher chance of playing something that's not always the most popular. I think that's generally a good thing.
 
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Are people as a whole happy with the removal of voting? Nice to see multiple title playlists getting the boot but I don't understand removing voting on maps and modes. If people want to play a specific map or mode why should we be forced to do something else?

I guess at least with a customs browser it will keep some level of freedom.
Ah, yes. I too enjoy playing literally nothing but Slayer on Lockout over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and
 

Trup1aya

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Are people as a whole happy with the removal of voting? Nice to see multiple title playlists getting the boot but I don't understand removing voting on maps and modes. If people want to play a specific map or mode why should we be forced to do something else?

I guess at least with a customs browser it will keep some level of freedom.

Voting doesn't prevent people from being forced to do things they don't want. It lengthens the matchmaking process and removes variety from the experience as people simply vote for what's most likely to be win.

People who want a break from the norm have no recourse.

A much better way to handle MM today, is just let people select all maps and modes the are willing to play, and throw them into matches with players who have overlapping interests.
 

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Voting doesn't prevent people from being forced to do things they don't want. It lengthens the matchmaking process and removes variety from the experience as people simply vote for what's most likely to be win.

People who want a break from the norm have no recourse.

A much better way to handle MM today, is just let people select all maps and modes the are willing to play, and throw them into matches with players who have overlapping interests.

That assumes a healthy population. I'd be totally in support otherwise.
 

Trup1aya

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That assumes a healthy population. I'd be totally in support otherwise.

It doesn't. It's less dependent on a healthy population.

If you only want to play a less populated gametype, you'd make it your only enabled toggle. Wait times would be just as if this gametype had its own playlist.

If you are open to multiple gametypes, you widen the population you are eligible to play with, reducing your wait times and increasing the variety of your experience.
 

Fahzzy

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It doesn't. It's less dependent on a healthy population.

If you only want to play a less populated gametype, you'd make it your only enabled toggle. Wait times would be just as if this gametype had its own playlist.

If you are open to multiple gametypes, you widen the population you are eligible to play with, reducing your wait times and increasing the variety of your experience.

idk, it's entirely up to the player to not make his search too narrow/granular. If I just picked slayer+Halo 2 I'm sure I could find something. But if I wanted slayer+Halo 2+Br Starts+Lockout I'd probably have a lot longer wait time.

I'm up too late. I'm probably not thinking this through. Regardless, I would prefer it.
 
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Toggle based matchmaking is the most sense. Removing voting won't do anything except cause dashboard quits the second something they don't want to play is selected. This is the quitters era. No one is going to play an objective if they want slayer, or play a certain game ie. Halo 4 if they only want Halo 2 or Halo 3 etc. Everything is good in theory but it never works in reality though.
 

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Yeah I would rather be able to select "I want these modes and these games to show up" rather than anything else. Mixtape MatchMaking
 

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MCC getting love right now!?

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I'm probably really late to the news but i seen that there will be comics about MC and blue team comign out in June?

... from what i remember at the ending of 5, we were all on sanghelious* and the whole gang finally met up and MC had his reunion with halsey. what am i missing?
 
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belushy

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I'm sure its a heavy no, but man if we ended up getting additional H2A maps out of a later update it would make me happy. Not sure what maps, I wonder if there were any planned/worked on then cut due to time constraints, etc.
 

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Are people as a whole happy with the removal of voting? Nice to see multiple title playlists getting the boot but I don't understand removing voting on maps and modes. If people want to play a specific map or mode why should we be forced to do something else?

I guess at least with a customs browser it will keep some level of freedom.

I could not be happier. I hate voting with a passion. Its always the same shit over and over, i fucking hate it. I hate it in BF1 i hate it in MCC and i never wanna see voting in a game, ever. People wanna play one gametype on one map all the time. Fuck voting is what i say. Variety is a good thing. God forbid someone plays one game on a map they dont love. GOD FORBID.
 

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Are people as a whole happy with the removal of voting? Nice to see multiple title playlists getting the boot but I don't understand removing voting on maps and modes. If people want to play a specific map or mode why should we be forced to do something else?

I guess at least with a customs browser it will keep some level of freedom.
Yes...let it die in a fire
 
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Good video on Halo 5's shortcomings. I'm just glad someone demonstrated fairly well why Halo 5's soundtrack is so boring and has no subtlety. I know a lot of people defend it. It's not like it sounds bad, but it doesn't elicit various emotional responses. It's overbearing, doesn't know how to be quiet, repeats constant arpeggios with strings that ping pong back and forth between notes, and is generally too loud and bombastic. It makes for a very predictable sound that is there just to having exciting background noise.

Here's the time stamp for where this guy talks about it with examples:


I mean, if you don't like strings, that's something, but I don't have a problem with them or any of the tracks. I can still tell where they are in the game, and I get the emotional heft I need out of them for the beats. The criticism seems like it's backfilling an explanation for the music being "bad" and "not working" because he doesn't like where Halo 5's story went rather than the music itself.

It's also kind of hilarious to compare Halo 5 to Halo 4, which I agree has great music like the rest of the series but which is absolutely lost constantly due to terrible sound mixing and editing frequently.

If you want to to talk about the pitfalls of generic sounding music, you shouldn't be looking anywhere at the mainline games (looks disappointedly over at Halo Wars 2 and its generic action cues.)

EDIT: Also going to call bullshit on the campaign being the buggiest. Guess he forgot all about the level-stopping bugs in Halo 4.
 
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H1 BTB with banshees and rocket hogs or bust

The fact they they acknowledged the drop-in drop-out ongoing nature of Halo 1&2 games perks my ears up. Halo 1 PC used to be all about the 24/7 games with ridiculously high score limits, just dropping in and out of games for the gameplay and not for any sort of stats.

Banshees in H1 are a lot of fun.
 

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idk, it's entirely up to the player to not make his search too narrow/granular. If I just picked slayer+Halo 2 I'm sure I could find something. But if I wanted slayer+Halo 2+Br Starts+Lockout I'd probably have a lot longer wait time.

I'm up too late. I'm probably not thinking this through. Regardless, I would prefer it.

That's right the player would basically determine how long their wait times are by how strict they make their search-

But exclusively searching unpopular gametpyes it would be no different then trying to MM in an unpopular playlist.
 

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I mean, if you don't like strings, that's something, but I don't have a problem with them or any of the tracks. I can still tell where they are in the game, and I get the emotional heft I need out of them for the beats. The criticism seems like it's backfilling an explanation for the music being "bad" and "not working" because he doesn't like where Halo 5's story went rather than the music itself.

It's also kind of hilarious to compare Halo 5 to Halo 4, which I agree has great music like the rest of the series but which is absolutely lost constantly due to terrible sound mixing and editing frequently.

If you want to to talk about the pitfalls of generic sounding music, you shouldn't be looking anywhere at the mainline games (looks disappointedly over at Halo Wars 2 and its generic action cues.)

EDIT: Also going to call bullshit on the campaign being the buggiest. Guess he forgot all about the level-stopping bugs in Halo 4.

I was just primarily using the OST part of the video to highlight that there is a reason why I and others do not like the direction of the music. It feels repetitive, predictable, and lacks the subtlety and emotional complexity the others had. While I don't agree with the comparisons to Halo 4 necessarily, I think he was using it to highlight that 343 went in a different direction with the franchise and Halo 4's OST definitely sounded like it. I went on YouTube and found some Marvel OST videos and just randomly clicked around and found very similar sounding music to Halo 5. Are they 1:1 the same? No, however the style, structure, and flavor is largely the same. Halo 5's OST doesn't distinguish itself like the previous games in the series had. Now it sounds like a Marvel movie OST instead of being unique and distinctly its own.

That's right the player would basically determine how long their wait times are by how strict they make their search-

But exclusively searching unpopular gametpyes it would be no different then trying to MM in an unpopular playlist.

I can see that. I would definitely be in support of this. I also hope that something like that exists for the Custom Game browser. It's great to play games like Counter Strike and just do a simple string search/match for other servers with the same names/titles/gametypes.

Ex:
1v1
Aim
Deathmatch Dust

etc
 
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I was just primarily using the OST part of the video to highlight that there is a reason why I and others do not like the direction of the music. It feels repetitive, predictable, and lacks the subtlety and emotional complexity the others had. While I don't agree with the comparisons to Halo 4 necessarily, I think he was using it to highlight that 343 went in a different direction with the franchise and Halo 4's OST definitely sounded like it. I went on YouTube and found some Marvel OST videos and just randomly clicked around and found very similar sounding music to Halo 5. Are they 1:1 the same? No, however the style, structure, and flavor is largely the same. Halo 5's OST doesn't distinguish itself like the previous games in the series had. Now it sounds like a Marvel movie OST instead of being unique and distinctly its own.

And saying "it feels repetitive, predictable, and lacks the subtlety and emotional complexity" is a meatless statement. What in the music translates to "emotional complexity"? The guy says "strings are here" and then peaces out on any sort of substantiative criticism.
 

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Halo 5 OST doesn't sound like anything. Sure, it has familiar melodies and sounds but... it just lacks something. Hell, i regard Halo 3 OST a bit lackluster after Halo CE's and Halo 2's soundtracks but it still sounds... i don't know, grand? Halo 5 lacks that. And it feels like it plays it too safe.
Perhaps worse, it doesn't fit. Halo 4 went new graphics style, new sound, new music. I don't quite agree with the graphics, the sound is mostly weird, and the music doesn't feel quite Halo but i felt it fit Requiem and the Prometheans well and sounded overall pretty good (and Arrival is one of my favorite video game tracks ever). But, all in all, they went nicely together.

Halo 5 is a weird mix. Its music is more reminiscent of pre-Halo 4 music but it looks like Halo 4 did. And its weapon and vehicle sounds lost their Halo 4-like style as well. There is a clash between how the game looks and how it sounds, and this lessens the music as i see, err, hear it.

Of course, i am very particular about music matching a game/film/whatever and its setting well. Audio and visuals are sides of a coin, both equally important. (I don't know if i'm weird but i often don't listen video game soundtracks separately from the games, few specific tracks aside, it just doesn't feel right.)
 
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