He's going to be top 6 in yards and TD's at the time he's done...so there is definitely a pretty good chance..
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By GOAT RB we're talking the level of Barry, Jim, Walter, Emmitt, Sweetness? Yeah you might as well have not asked the question. I can't take a QB that can't even make the Hall over a RB on their level.
If Saquon is that good, damn son.
You are wrong
If I have the choice between Rivers or any of those guys, in 2018, I'm taking Rivers no questions
You'd take Philip Rivers over Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, Walter Payton, Emmitt, even with the benefit of a crystal ball?
Whose mans is this?
Whose mans is this?
Andrew Luck carried his team to more playoff wins in his brief time in the pros so far than Barry Sanders has in the entirety of his HoF career. It isn't the 90s anymore
Yeah, but Andrew Luck isn't the greatest ever player at his position.
Barry Sanders is.
My point is your statement is ridiculous.
Just because Andrew Luck did that doesn't mean you can compare him to Sanders. Its an absurd comparison.
I don't care if I have the greatest players ever at every position on my team at the same time. If they don't win in the postseason it doesn't matter
Um......pretty sure if you had the best people ever at every position you would be a safe bet to win in the postseason.
It's not a guarantee though, and that's not the argument. If I have the choice between a GOAT RB and an elite QB, I'm taking the QB without a second thought, because RBs don't bring their teams SBs. QBs do
Granted he wasn't the only reason, but they wouldn't have made it without him in my opinion. You downplaying the RB position though is laughable. It was a vital position in the NFL for decades. Also there are many ways to get a Super Bowl. Having a great QB is not the only way.
Man, T-Mobile brings the Bills to their first playoff game in close to two decades and gets rewarded for it with banishment to Browns' purgatory.
Dude was supposed to lead a team back to the promised land this season... but history shows that sure as hell won't happen in Cleveland. I feel for the dude.
Dude was supposed to lead a team back to the promised land this season... but history shows that sure as hell won't happen in Cleveland. I feel for the dude.
That was 40 years ago. The game has changed. If, in 2018, I have the option of prime Walter Payton, or prime Phillip Rivers, it is laughable to choose Payton. It shows such a fundamental misunderstanding of what football is today that I can't even believe I'm having this discussion.
Granted he wasn't the only reason, but they wouldn't have made it without him in my opinion. You downplaying the RB position though is laughable. It was a vital position in the NFL for decades. Also there are many ways to get a Super Bowl. Having a great QB is not the only way.
Honestly if I was him I would be pumped.
Jarvis Landry, Josh Gordon, and a young TE with alot of potential. Then add to that a team that is making moves across the board and could possibly draft one of the best looking RBs in the last 10 years? Thats not too shabby.
On paper those are ingredients for success... no question. Plus, he'll have a front office banking on him being successful instead of outright sabotaging him and hoping for him to fail.
It's just we've seen these scenarios play out in Cleveland before... and it seldom works out as well in practice as it does on paper.
First off it was 32 years ago not 40.
And you can't believe it? Imagine how I feel! lol
I have a guy telling me he would rather have Phillip Rivers on his team than Walter Payton or Barry Sanders. That makes ZERO sense. You can make whatever "The game has changed man!" argument that you want, but those kinds of players transcend the era they play in. You could pluck them out of time and put them in the current game and they would tear up the field.
I can even use a more recent example of Marshall Faulk if you want. He was the backbone of the greatest show on turf. There would be no Rams Super Bowl if there was no Marshall Faulk.
Now I can understand you picking a QB first, but picking a modern day slightly above average QB over legitimate legends of the game? You are crazy.
Are you forgetting about Kurt Warner
Are you forgetting that Marshall Faulk had 17 yards rushing in the SB
Are you forgetting that Marshall Faulk had the 3rd highest receiving total of Rams WRs in the SB
Faulk was a crucial part of the Rams run up to the SB, but Warner won them the SB
Terrell Davis carried that over the hill scrub Trumpway to consecutive Owls!
Yeah I definitely agree on that last part. If they don't have SOME kind of success this next season given all the moves they have made then I will join the people who think the team is cursed.
I mean there is literally no reason why its shouldn't work. They are all perfectly capable players. I mean hell Gordon had good games last year when they had no QB at all.
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Bills fan here. Just wanted to pop in and give my thoughts on Tyrod.
At best he is a mediocre serviceable starter. He can do amazing things with his legs, extend drives, and is great with the read option. But he has zero confidence throwing the ball into tight spaces or throwing his receiver open. It's why his TD and INT numbers are both so low. He'd rather run it or scramble and try to throw on the move once the play breaks down rather than zip it into a covered receiver window. He is also pretty poor at finding the open man in zone coverage. Get used to a shit ton of games where he throws for 150 yards, 1 TD and 0 INT. But he'll also have a few games where he'll light it up and look like an all pro. Like that game against Seattle on Monday night.
Still though, I think its a decent idea for Browns as a 1 year stop game, assuming they take a QB high.
At best he is a mediocre serviceable starter. He can do amazing things with his legs, extend drives, and is great with the read option. But he has zero confidence throwing the ball into tight spaces or throwing his receiver open. It's why his TD and INT numbers are both so low. He'd rather run it or scramble and try to throw on the move once the play breaks down rather than zip it into a covered receiver window. He is also pretty poor at finding the open man in zone coverage. Get used to a shit ton of games where he throws for 150 yards, 1 TD and 0 INT. But he'll also have a few games where he'll light it up and look like an all pro. Like that game against Seattle on Monday night.
Still though, I think its a decent idea for Browns as a 1 year stop game, assuming they take a QB high.
His performance in the SB isn't the point.
The point is they would not have even been there if it wasn't for him. Yes the same can be said about Kurt as well I know. But it goes both ways. You can't praise the QB and just ignore the contribution of a legendary RB that was on the same team.
Yes QB's carry teams to the SB all the time, but pretending like the RB is no big deal to the level you are doing is just ridiculous. I mean your statement of wanting an average QB over Payton or Sanders alone is just mind-boggling to me.
I don't care enough about it to debate, but in my book he is average.
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RBs are just not as important to today's game as they used to be. The rule changes after the 04 season completely changed the league. Since then, having an elite QB is more important than RB.
Let's put it this way. When was the last time the league leading RB in either just rushing yards or yards from scrimmage won the SB?
Guess you have to celebrate regular season wins with no playoff wins since 2000
We could just celebrate our two real Lombardi's I guess, oh and actually going undefeated all the way.
Rivers will be in the Hall of Fame. I guarantee it. It won't be first ballot but he'll make it.
Terrell Davis did it 20 years ago. Shaun Alexander carried a team to the Super Bowl 13 years ago.
And the passing rules were changed that started significantly devaluing RBs 13 years ago, and Alexander was the following season. Since then, it's either been elite defenses or elite QBs
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