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Caught this on my timeline. I don't really give much attention to Persona in general and definitely don't know the history of costumes in the dancing games but this edit is hilarious. I dunno if the costume themes fit the characters but there's some actual unique personality and effort in them compared to the official ones which seem incomplete, lazy, and kinda trashy as an outsider looking in. It's so easy to be a little bit better.
 

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New Fire Emblem Heroes units for Spring, presented here for your amusement/critique/despair (delete as appropriate). Theme is 'hares at the fair'.
Catria looks like she's missing an arm.
Alf has his chest on show and his coat-tails framing his crotch, I suppose that's at least some 'equality' in design there :D Spoon/egg combo as an 'axe' isn't even the strangest weapon yet.
Sharena seems fairly restrained for FE Heroes.
Kagero is no longer just a tit ninja, now she's wielding a lethal carrot while riding a Pegasus too.

Seems like a real downgrade after the classy valentines outfits to me.

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Don't forget there's still the creepy romance between the child Zora and adult Hylian in Breath of the Wild.

And yeah I remember thong girl in FFXII originally. I remember just going wat thinking someone just had a brain fart and rushed that model out or something.
The man in that group, Rikken, also wears a thong on top of his pants.

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Hard to tell from this angle but it's just a string in the back. The thong was a weird fashion thing they both had. Idk why but they are pretty minor NPCs.
 

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My review is coming later, but I just wanna say that as far as JRPGs, Ni No Kuni II is a feminist text.
Staying true to its Ghibli roots then! :)
I look forward to reading your review, though I probably won't play it (really disliked the gameplay in the first one, unfortunately).
 

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Without context, what are your opinions on this character design.

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I'm a dude, but I always find "boob outline" armor to be a little silly. Practically speaking, there's no legitimate reason to have armor around the boobs like that. Boobs are squishy, they fit behind armor just fine.

Source: I had female soldiers in my squad during my second deployment to Afghanistan. They wore the same body armor as my male soldiers. Including a giant kevlar plate smack in the middle of the chest.
 

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Here's a different colored version of the same armor. Can't find a back shot but it looks the same in the back as the female version.

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Okay, for completion sake here's yet another color variation (in a kinda poor screen shot) of the male armor seen from the back.
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Without context, what are your opinions on this character design.

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I'm a dude, but I always find "boob outline" armor to be a little silly. Practically speaking, there's no legitimate reason to have armor around the boobs like that. Boobs are squishy, they fit behind armor just fine.

Source: I had female soldiers in my squad during my second deployment to Afghanistan. They wore the same body armor as my male soldiers. Including a giant kevlar plate smack in the middle of the chest.

The front of the armor makes it look like her boobs are popping out of the mouth of a monster and the way the back frames her ass is tacky. I'm not a fan.
What these two have said and also as for the color scheme of it, it's a mix of too Samus-y when she's in her Power/Varia Suit and Iron Man, just without the green.

I think it needs more metal plating and overall more protection.
 

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Those skin tight suits for female characters are dumb in general and gje accentuated chest and butt are bad.

Guy looks cool though, I'd wear that in a game.
 

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Body suits are weird generally. Mostly because they set off weird fetish alarms in my head.

The one thing I really don't get with that female armor though is that silver nub under her boob. The male version has one too and it's confusing as to why it's there also. Like... is it a connector for something or are metal nubs just the equivalent of belts for skin-tight suits?
 
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Body suits are weird generally. Mostly because they set off weird fetish alarms in my head.

The on thing I really don't get with that female armor though is that silver nub under her boob. The male version has one too and it's confusing as to why it's there also. Like... is it a connector for something or are metal nubs just the equivalent of belts for skin-tight suits?
Right? It's like Samus' Zero Suit but with a bit of "seemingly" armor plating.
 

molnizzle

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I feel like that armor is pretty close to being decent though. Like I did this quick mock up by just swapping some colors:

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If you made the "chest plate" thing fully cover the upper chest, and didn't make the butt a separate color, it would go a long way.
 

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Well ya'll sure aren't winning any points from me. I love this thing. Okay, context. This armor set is the "skell armor" from Xenoblade X. It's a body suit designed for sitting inside of a giant mech. I consider it a good example of what a body suit should look like. It isn't vacuum packed to the body/painted on and appears to have mass of its own and is armored a bit. The "metal nubs" are rib guards. The first image I posted is my drawing of my avatar create a character (simplified the armor a bit and pulled back on the butt shading. Xenoblades do love their butt clefts). This is what I wish the Zero Suit actually looked like.
 

esserius

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Well ya'll sure aren't winning any points from me. I love this thing. Okay, context. This armor set is the "skell armor" from Xenoblade X. It's a body suit designed for sitting inside of a giant mech. I consider it a good example of what a body suit should look like. It isn't vacuum packed to the body/painted on and appears to have mass of its own and is armored a bit. The "metal nubs" are rib guards. The first image I posted is my drawing of my avatar create a character (simplified the armor a bit and pulled back on the butt shading. Xenoblades do love their butt clefts). This is what I wish the Zero Suit actually looked like.
It's my immediate reaction to body suits.

Like, these are what military suits actually look like:


And unless there's some important interface that makes something as wacky as a body suit necessary, my reaction remains the same.

In general, why would a giant suit of armor require something as restrictive as a bodysuit (is the space where the pilot would be poisonous to physically touch or something)? Wouldn't the clothing meet the purpose for interfacing, and be something that is more practical/functional?
 

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I feel like that armor is pretty close to being decent though. Like I did this quick mock up by just swapping some colors:

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If you made the "chest plate" thing fully cover the upper chest, and didn't make the butt a separate color, it would go a long way.


Naw, I'm fine with the design from the game. It's as hot on the male characters and I don't care to change that either. I don't have a problem with sexy armor designs so long as the armor still looks functional, has its own mass (not painted on) and doesn't have holes cut into it that serve only one obvious purpose. Body suits are fine too if they evoke how a real life wetsuit sits on a body instead of what we usually get in anime/games.
 

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Naw, I'm fine with the design from the game. It's as hot on the male characters and I don't care to change that either. I don't have a problem with sexy armor designs so long as the armor still looks functional, has its own mass (not painted on) and doesn't have holes cut into it that serve only one obvious purpose. Body suits are fine too if they evoke how a real life wetsuit sits on a body instead of what we usually get in anime/games.
I mean ok, but bodysuits are generally created for functionality underwater, and their purpose is largely to reduce friction. I don't really see bodysuits serving any functional purpose inside a giant mech (though there was one anime or game where some sort of liquid was what helped them sync up with the robot or something - which was also weird for different reasons, but it's more justification than, "because I want them" - though yeah, still dumb).
 

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It's my immediate reaction to body suits.

Like, these are what military suits actually look like:


And unless there's some important interface that makes something as wacky as a body suit necessary, my reaction remains the same.

In general, why would a giant suit of armor require something as restrictive as a bodysuit? Wouldn't the purpose for interfacing, be something that is more functional?


I'm pretty sure it's the exact opposite of restrictive. Beyond that, no reason. Characters in the game have a broad range of armor options from very functional looking military gear to outlandish sci-fi nonsense to awful fetish crap. I picked that body suit for that specific character as it suited the personality I constructed for her and happened to have two of her colors (red, green, gold). My point here is simply to illustrate my own stance on character designs in regards to sexy VS sexualized and we all have variations on where we draw The Line. This costume fits my requirements for "this is still fine". But it wouldn't take much to push it over the line into "this is now trying too hard".
 

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I'm pretty sure it's the exact opposite of restrictive. Beyond that, no reason. Characters in the game have a broad range of armor options from very functional looking military gear to outlandish sci-fi nonsense to awful fetish crap. I picked that body suit for that specific character as it suited the personality I constructed for her and happened to have two of her colors (red, green, gold). My point here is simply to illustrate my own stance on character designs in regards to sexy VS sexualized and we all have variations on where we draw The Line. This costume fits my requirements for "this is still fine". But it wouldn't take much to push it over the line into "this is now trying too hard".
*shrug*

I'm not really claiming to be an expert on functional clothing. I go camping occasionally and I know what that's like, but yeah, any reason or no reason at all is fine in an imaginary world. And some people are probably fine with bodysuits, but I just don't really see their... I dunno, "purpose" I guess (just said they don't need a purpose, so I dunno - I just find it weird)? I tend to think that characters wear what they wear for a reason (or I like to think they do anyway - I know most of the time it's just rule of cool or rule of porn).
 
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*shrug*

I'm not really claiming to be an expert on functional clothing. I go camping occasionally and I know what that's like, but yeah, any reason or no reason at all is fine in an imaginary world. And some people are probably fine with bodysuits, but I just don't really see their... I dunno, "purpose" I guess (just said they don't need a purpose, so I dunno - just I find it weird)? I tend to think that characters wear what they wear for a reason (or I like to think they do anyway - I know most of the time it's just rule of cool or rule of porn).

Bodysuits are hardly my go to. I simply brought this up as what I consider an example of a good body suit and listed why I thought so. And as a way to illustrate an example (that just happened to be a body suit) of "armor" that serves the purpose of being attractive without stumbling into "pervy" territory. Of course, the character is framed or posed can push it there too.
 

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Bodysuits are hardly my go to. I simply brought this up as what I consider an example of a good body suit and listed why I thought so. And as a way to illustrate an example (that just happened to be a body suit) of "armor" that serves the purpose of being attractive without stumbling into "pervy" territory. Of course, the character is framed or posed can push it there too.
My response to that bodysuit in particular is just kinda "meh". But that does factor in my general distaste. It's definitely not the worst I've seen, but I don't think it's particularly compelling either.

Like, much as I hate to admit it, Nomura's obsession with Unlimited Belt Works can be strangely compelling, though probably not in a way he intends (as in, I frequently find their absurdity hilarious).
 

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My response to that bodysuit in particular is just kinda "meh". But that does factor in my general distaste. It's definitely not the worst I've seen, but I don't think it's particularly compelling either.
Well, that's fine. I'm not making an argument for bodysuits. I'm making an argument for better bodysuits if you're gonna bodysuit.

Like I said above. If Samus' Zero Suit looked more like this I wouldn't hate it.
 

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My feeling is that if you're gonna bodysuit, do it with some reasonable context, like Amanchu (a series about scuba diving - being real though, this is mostly just me promoting Kozue Amano).

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A scuba diving game could be pretty cool actually.
 

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Without context, what are your opinions on this character design.

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I am indifferent to it. It doesn't make my eyes bleed but I can't say "wow looks baller" either (her face is cool though). But I'd need to know what function it serves. Scrolling through the posts, I see that it's meant as a "body suit", and the male version is similar, so I'm cool with it.
 
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My review is coming later, but I just wanna say that as far as JRPGs, Ni No Kuni II is a feminist text.
I'm not sure how big a spoiler this is since it was highlighted pretty early on in one of the game preview trailers, but I'm super worried about the usual anime/Ghibli/All Media theme of:
Killing off the older mom/sister figure to motivate the (usually male) protagonist. Also known as "fridging". (Or damseling, if they're captured or ill/injured for the majority of the story.) Widespread and pernicious, even in stuff for kids! Can't remember the last halfway decent piece of media I watched where it doesn't happen at all. I guess that emotions movie, Inside Out? Hunter x Hunter's "mom" character, Mito? I'm extremely fond of Mito so I'd be pissed if they ever fridged or damseled her.

I remember Oliver's mom being fridged really early on in the first game and it seems like something similar happens in the first ten minutes of the sequel. I'm still getting the game, but yikes. I'd rather have a kickass mom/older sister on my team rather than having them die or get injured on "my" behalf all the time.
Hopefully your review will alleviate this mild anxiety of mine!
 

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I'm not sure how big a spoiler this is since it was highlighted pretty early on in one of the game preview trailers, but I'm super worried about the usual anime/Ghibli/All Media theme of:
Killing off the older mom/sister figure to motivate the (usually male) protagonist. Also known as "fridging". (Or damseling, if they're captured or ill/injured for the majority of the story.) Widespread and pernicious, even in stuff for kids! Can't remember the last halfway decent piece of media I watched where it doesn't happen at all. I guess that emotions movie, Inside Out? Hunter x Hunter's "mom" character, Mito? I'm extremely fond of Mito so I'd be pissed if they ever fridged or damseled her.

I remember Oliver's mom being fridged really early on in the first game and it seems like something similar happens in the first ten minutes of the sequel. I'm still getting the game, but yikes. I'd rather have a kickass mom/older sister on my team rather than having them die or get injured on "my" behalf all the time.
Hopefully your review will alleviate this mild anxiety of mine!
I don't know about Ni No Kuni, but Ghibli movies not only don't have this theme usually, they typically have a female protagonist anyway.

In a sense Protag of Ni no kuni 2 is feminine enough. That main character model I find actually confusing, I dont know why maybe because of art style but for some reason it feels somewhat ... not focused or trying to be in the middle of all things.
 

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I don't know about Ni No Kuni, but Ghibli movies not only don't have this theme usually, they typically have a female protagonist anyway.
Yeah, that cheap plot motivation is not a theme common to Ghibli movies. Female protags are also super common in Ghibli films and they are frequently some of the best written characters in anime. Like, even in movies like Princess Mononoke, where the female isn't necessarily the focus, there's also basically no central protagonist since you're constantly switching between PoVs.

Or maybe the forest is the protagonist, as it's the only thing that's actually central to the story at all times.
 
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I'm not sure how big a spoiler this is since it was highlighted pretty early on in one of the game preview trailers, but I'm super worried about the usual anime/Ghibli/All Media theme of:
Killing off the older mom/sister figure to motivate the (usually male) protagonist. Also known as "fridging". (Or damseling, if they're captured or ill/injured for the majority of the story.) Widespread and pernicious, even in stuff for kids! Can't remember the last halfway decent piece of media I watched where it doesn't happen at all. I guess that emotions movie, Inside Out? Hunter x Hunter's "mom" character, Mito? I'm extremely fond of Mito so I'd be pissed if they ever fridged or damseled her.

I remember Oliver's mom being fridged really early on in the first game and it seems like something similar happens in the first ten minutes of the sequel. I'm still getting the game, but yikes. I'd rather have a kickass mom/older sister on my team rather than having them die or get injured on "my" behalf all the time.
Hopefully your review will alleviate this mild anxiety of mine!

Play Grandia 3.
 
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I don't know about Ni No Kuni, but Ghibli movies not only don't have this theme usually, they typically have a female protagonist anyway.
Ghibli Spoilers?
Kiki's Delivery Service (requires the titular character to abandon her home and parents for plot reasons at 13 years old), Mononoke Hime (real parents literally abandon MC as a baby to save themselves, surrogate wolf mom is murdered), Spirited Away (parents damseled, turned into pigs which is the motivation for the protagonist), Grave of the Fireflies (dual parental figure abandonment of mom and aunt leading to both protagonists dying), Totoro (mom is damseled in the hospital as the motivational force for the protagonists)... do I need to go on?

I don't really give their adaptations of other works a pass either - in the case of the Diana Wynne Jones books (Howl's Moving Castle and Castle in the Sky - the latter isn't adapted by Ghibli yet, their Laputa is something totally different), the source material has plenty of parental death and familial/surrogate familial abandonment of the protagonists as a plot device.

Abandonment By/Death Of/Damseling Of Parental Figures As A Plot Device is everywhere, regardless of the gender of the protagonists. However, video game protagonists are overwhelmingly male, and the Ni no Kuni series is no bucker of trends in these regards as the main characters and their mascot characters are male or presenting as such. I find the entire "Where are the parents?" trope irksome.

Thanks for the recommendation, but Grandia never clicked with me as a series and I decided not to pursue it further after the first two games. They were great games, I just had a hard time connecting with them. Perhaps I should have specified my desire to see more of that type of character in contemporary works instead of things which are a decade or more old.
 
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Thanks for the recommendation, but Grandia never clicked with me as a series and I decided not to pursue it further after the first two games. They were great games, I just had a hard time connecting with them. Perhaps I should have specified my desire to see more of that type of character in contemporary works instead of things which are a decade or more old.

Fair enough. Just thought I'd mention it since the protagonist's mother is a party member.
 
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Fair enough. Just thought I'd mention it since the protagonist's mother is a party member.
Stuff like that and the later part of Dragon Quest V are right up my alley (although parents being subjected to awful stuff is a big part of DQV). Sounds awesome, maybe I'll watch a Let's Play of Grandia 3 at some point.

I'm not sure what the term for it is, but I also like the premise of games like Record of Agarest War where the grandparents, parents, kids, grandkids, and so on, are all playable characters. Unfortunately those are usually in fanservice-y or otherwise really odd games, like the Conception series.
 

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Stuff like that and the later part of Dragon Quest V are right up my alley (although parents being subjected to awful stuff is a big part of DQV). Sounds awesome, maybe I'll watch a Let's Play of Grandia 3 at some point.

I'm not sure what the term for it is, but I also like the premise of games like Record of Agarest War where the grandparents, parents, kids, grandkids, and so on, are all playable characters. Unfortunately those are usually in fanservice-y or otherwise really odd games, like the Conception series.
Games with generations of protagonists are awesome. I tried Romancing SaGa 2 recently and it's kind of like that, you're royalty and each time your character dies permanently (you do have a set of lives before that happens) you have to choose a successor among your descendants to keep playing as.
 

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Ghibli Spoilers?
Kiki's Delivery Service (requires the titular character to abandon her home and parents for plot reasons at 13 years old), Mononoke Hime (real parents literally abandon MC as a baby to save themselves, surrogate wolf mom is murdered), Spirited Away (parents damseled, turned into pigs which is the motivation for the protagonist), Grave of the Fireflies (dual parental figure abandonment of mom and aunt leading to both protagonists dying), Totoro (mom is damseled in the hospital as the motivational force for the protagonists)... do I need to go on?

I don't really give their adaptations of other works a pass either - in the case of the Diana Wynne Jones books (Howl's Moving Castle and Castle in the Sky - the latter isn't adapted by Ghibli yet, their Laputa is something totally different), the source material has plenty of parental death and familial/surrogate familial abandonment of the protagonists as a plot device.

Abandonment By/Death Of/Damseling Of Parental Figures As A Plot Device is everywhere, regardless of the gender of the protagonists. However, video game protagonists are overwhelmingly male, and the Ni no Kuni series is no bucker of trends in these regards as the main characters and their mascot characters are male or presenting as such. I find the entire "Where are the parents?" trope irksome.


Thanks for the recommendation, but Grandia never clicked with me as a series and I decided not to pursue it further after the first two games. They were great games, I just had a hard time connecting with them. Perhaps I should have specified my desire to see more of that type of character in contemporary works instead of things which are a decade or more old.

There's nothing to do to your point but I mean, Kiki's Delivery Service and Grave of the Fireflies are also based on famous and recognizable japanese novels (in the case of Fireflies, it's an auto-biography). In fact, most of the movies of ghibli are either based on manga or novels but unfortunately, those works aren't recognizable or people don't even know in the west because they're obfuscated by the movies.

Here's an excellent article about some of those novels and books tho, pretty good:
https://www.tofugu.com/japan/studio-ghibli-books/
 

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I honestly don't know how you guys manage to play these kind of games. You need to like animu waifu stuff or at the very least tolerate it in order to go through a modern JRPG. It's just way too stupid to me.

There's still hope. We have Ni No Kuni II, a modern JRPG with no girl in sexualized outfit in its cast.

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It's the only one in my recent memory. I honestly couldn't think of any other, at least the big ones that adapt anime direction. Valkyria Chronicles 4 and Kingdom Hearts III seem promising as well.
 

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Fair enough. Just thought I'd mention it since the protagonist's mother is a party member.

Until she stops, because she got a boyfriend


To be fair, all the VC games have stuff like this. It's usually not memorable a very small portion of the experience.
 

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There's still hope. We have Ni No Kuni II, a modern JRPG with no girl in sexualized outfit in its cast.

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It's the only one in my recent memory. I honestly couldn't think of any other, at least the big ones that adapt anime direction. Valkyria Chronicles 4 and Kingdom Hearts III seem promising as well.
Hadn't seen the cast before, but this is a post-Ghibli work and all the characters are halfway to chibi town. What the fuck is this travesty?
 
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