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French far-left politician arrested after tweet celebrating death of policeman killed by terrorist
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As distasteful as it is to me, I have to be consistent. If this were to happen in the US imo this should be protected under free speech and I bet the ACLU would get involved.
Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences tho, the government should not interfere but him and his supporters would get hammered with bad PR and his run would be over.
The arrest itself is indeed interesting. Where I live you'd just get summoned to make your statement etc and if you don't comply, then be escorted there by police. But arrest usually only if there's risk of flight or other immediate danger.
The belief that attacks towards a member of the police should be treated like attacks towards someone's race, religion, sexual orientation, gender, etc. Which is what you are arguing for by calling this tweet 'hate speech'.
The Anarcho Far-Left has a weird fetish when it comes to defending Islamic Extremism over legitimate good cops.
Not surprised that this traitor was part of Mélanchon's party
Not surprised that this traitor was part of Mélanchon's party
Did you even read anything? "One less Macron voter" is inherently political and an attack towards someones ideology.
This isn't why he got arrested. "One less Macron Voter" is a political statement saying that this is a good thing because it happened to someone who opposes your political views.
Which is fucked up, gross and terrible, and I have no issue with this guy getting in trouble because of it.
Terrorism apologia is pretty much illegal in France which is another layer of how the Israelo-palestinian debate is complicated to even start.
User Banned (2 Weeks): Making Light of Murder, history of infractions.
Are you guys really comparing someone's political ideology to someone's race, sexuality, or gender orientation? That's pretty gross.
Yup, I'm also from Germany. So that arrest really rubs me the wrong way. Even if he is convinced and gets jail time, I do not see the slightest reason for him to be arrested now (and reading into this, his detainment has been prolonged for another 24 hours, no reason given apparently). Maybe some French user could give us a heads up how such things are commonly handled in France?
No one is saying that guy got arrested for hate speech.
He's most likely in trouble for terrorism apologia however.
There's 1 kind of crime where prosecutors have special powers, it's terrorism.
If the guy is under purview of anything terrorism related he's basically against something fairly different than your run of the mill justice case.
Believing that "murder is a good thing when it happens to *insert group here*" is a bad statement is about as inoffensive a viewpoint as you can get.
You're the one (deliberately?) twisting this into something it's not.
Depends on if your definition of hate speech covers terrorism or not.
I don't think it does in French law but IANAL so who knows.
If the issue has to do with terrorism, hate speech is the least of that guy's worry.
Thank fucking god yes (assuming the translation is correct)
Idiot, yep. Should be arrested? Probably not.
On point - if this shit existed in the US half of OT ERA would be in jail at one point or another. :-p Super duper glad we have rights the way they are in the US.
I don't care about the law, I was correcting the poster who called that tweet 'hate speech'.
It's not hate speech unless you believe that occupations (Police) or political beliefs (Nazism) should be protected like race, religion, sexuality, gender.
Well guess what, not every hate speech definition is the same as in the US. In my country (Austria) "worldview" is a similar hate crime link as gender, race, etc., in Germany it also includes worldview according to the government declaration. I don't know how it is in France. Hell even the geneva refugee convention lists political views as persecution reason next to race, religion, nationality etc.
So the policeman was a nazi now? Wtf? Did you even just read the OP or anything about this story?
that cop gave his life to save hostages at the hands of a terrorist.
terrorism apologia = hate speech
For the record, Nazism is not considered political belief per se.
If you own nazi paraphernalia you're going to be in trouble with the authorities.
You can end up in jail for making a song about how hallucinogenic shrooms are fantastic to eat so I don't see how saying murder is great for political opponents is going to be allowed anyway.
And again terrorism apologia is taken seriously in France.
you don't want to come across an antiterrorism prosecutor.
I would've said its due to state of emergency giving special powers, but seems France is not in that anymore since Nov '17. So I guess like mael said it's the counter-terrorism law giving them special permissions, which seems weird in this case still unless there is something we don't know about (especcially with prolonging it for another 24h).
If it's counterterrorism, they're 1 law short of being allowed to torture people in special prisons.
The terrorism wave of the 90's did a number on civil liberties.
I actually hope there's something we don't know about, because otherwise this is in my opinion a gross misuse of existing laws. Like I said, it will be interesting how this plays out in the end.
However, and this is not exactly off topic, I have to say there's rarely a case where a person is as clearly identifiable as a legit hero as that police officer. He not only did his duty fearless and thorough, he went beyond anything most of us will ever have the courage to do and saved a life, offering his own and in the end paying the ultimate price for it. That man should be a shining example to all of us and to every police officer in the world.
Reminds me of when Sarkozy actually defused an hostage situation and his political opponents on the left were shitting on him for saving kids' lives as a political stunt.
It's like the textbook example of good policing but we have to shit on him because of something that cop had nothing to do with.
I'm a firm believer in free speech but this guy literally made a threat to burn a cop's house down? I don't think threats should be covered by free speech. However, going after him two months later is petty.
The generation that grew up on edgy, "ironic" racist memes produced the alt-right in America.
So regardless on how you feel about the legality of these types of statements, I don't think they are particularly less morally dangerous. If anything, they are more insidious since they are seen as more socially acceptable, with your posts as an example of that. And you'll notice they generally don't even have an actual comedic punchline. "Hehe, I'm actually teaching my DOG to gas the jews just a joke teehee~"... OK. An actual comedian who tried that would be rightfully denounced as a hack.
Just like the Nazi dog man, this should not be something worthy of an arrest. How does that happen in the country of Charlie Hebdo?
It's also a shame this thread is so short compared to the Nazi dog guy. I guess a lot of people really aren't consistent in their defense of free speech.
It's also a shame this thread is so short compared to the Nazi dog guy. I guess a lot of people really aren't consistent in their defense of free speech.
Why is it so hard for some to try just not being an asshole? What an idiot. Deserves the blowback he's getting.
You would be surprised at how many times they've been to court.
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Update: He's got a one year suspended sentence (Source: http://www.bfmtv.com/police-justice...-requis-contre-stephane-poussier-1405611.html)
Wow, to support such a notion is sheer madness to me, but who am I to judge the local populace of France and their critical thinking skills? It's really scary to think that they could be more people with his views.
