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ZeoVGM

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
76,219
Providence, RI
Hey I'm Dwight and I want to kills Negan even if it means the saviors die in the process. I have Simon here in front of me and I can kill him with an arrow but I won't because...the writers of this show are fucking idiots.

Haha. I was thinking the same exact thing. Why wouldn't he just kill Simon from behind then run over, join up with the Hilltop crew again and say, "We need to make sure no one gets hit by their arrows. Also, I killed Simon."

Purposefully bad writing to set up each situation the characters get into.

Was Michonne even in the opening fight scene? I don't remember seeing her then she randomly shows up with a turnip.
 

dyst

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,461
Haha. I was thinking the same exact thing. Why wouldn't he just kill Simon from behind then run over, join up with the Hilltop crew again and say, "We need to make sure no one gets hit by their arrows. Also, I killed Simon."

Purposefully bad writing to set up each situation the characters get into.

Was Michonne even in the opening fight scene? I don't remember seeing her then she randomly shows up with a turnip.
Fans have been supporting this show for 8 seasons and ALL we want is logic to the writing. And stop with the repetitive shit. Dwight could have easily killed Simon. If you don't want him killing Simon, then write it so Dwight isn't near Simon during the battle. No logic.
 

UberTag

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
15,377
Kitchener, ON
If anything, they still have far too much dead weight. Folks like Tobin are still around and have been since Season 5.
I met Jason Douglas in his pre-TWD days so I'm happy for him... just using him as an example.

On another note, I legitimately barely remember Tobin. I feel like I was supposed to care about him when he died but I couldn't even remember his name until they mentioned it on The Talking Dead. ... Along with the fact that he has apparently been on the show since season 5.

I don't know if that says more about my memory or the fact that this show has too many characters and they want me to care about people who are barely in the show.
I jinxed the guy. Sorry for remembering you, Tobin.
 

Spikematic

Member
Oct 28, 2017
2,357
This stupid kid trope really needs to stop. I hope Carol catches up with that idiot and makes him look at the flowers.
 

BLLYjoe25

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
2,969
I actually kinda enjoyed this episode. Not great by any means and it'd be hard to be any worse than recent episodes but I guess I liked that the zombies actually posed some sort of danger. Kinda sad I suppose since it's supposed to be a zombie show lol.

The show is really dragging on. I want them to move onto the next danger. Also, it's crazy that something that happened in this episode happened in the comics just over 4 years ago.
 

Parenegade

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,589
I actually kinda enjoyed this episode. Not great by any means and it'd be hard to be any worse than recent episodes but I guess I liked that the zombies actually posed some sort of danger. Kinda sad I suppose since it's supposed to be a zombie show lol.

The show is really dragging on. I want them to move onto the next danger. Also, it's crazy that something that happened in this episode happened in the comics just over 4 years ago.

First half was good. Second half was not.
 

riotous

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,351
Seattle
I'll be forever annoyed that after nearly 8 seasons of people not giving 2 shits about getting walker blood on them, covering themselves in blood, etc. that suddenly covering knives in walker blood gives people infections.

So annoyed.
 

Border

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
14,859
Since I didn't bother watching The Terror has the "Next week on Walking Dead" segment been posted online?
 

ShinAmano

Member
Oct 30, 2017
2,847
So...is picture quality an issue for anyone? I have Verizon and walking dead looks terrible. I have a 4k oled and it seems it is only wd.
 

ArkkAngel007

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
5,001
Was most of the munitions from the one or two trucks that made it out of Alexandria? Hilltop just had a good amount of their weapons and munitions taken by Simon a few episodes back. Whatever was left at the Kingdom was just for a skeleton crew. Simon took all the weapons and munitions from the Garbage dump with Rick and Michonne not finding whatever hidden stash Jadis got her sidearm from.

Then again, it's a wonder anyone from Alexandria/Hilltop/Kingdom has any ammunition with all the window shooting and automatic fire (how is there even automatics? All those military arms outside of the mounted machine guns should be semi-automatics) that somehow miraculously misses 99% of their targets.



Not as much of the show is bothering me as some, but the conflict has been this repetitive and tensionless affair. Little time is spent meaningfully on characters, to the point where I forgot who Tobin was despite liking the character (didn't help I couldn't see who it was initially). Everyone other than Michonne seems to be pissing on Carl's grave, and there's a clock somewhere that tells when someone is going to flip flop their view in complete contradiction with no reason.

There's plenty to do with what little AMC provides. Next season the crew needs to figure that out and make it work.

I'll be forever annoyed that after nearly 8 seasons of people not giving 2 shits about getting walker blood on them, covering themselves in blood, etc. that suddenly covering knives in walker blood gives people infections.

So annoyed.

I don't understand the issue. Walker guts were mostly slathered on clothing rather than bare skin, and I don't remember any clearly open wounds being gunked. It's always been clear that skin actually needs to be broken for whatever bacteria to cause infection.

The amputating with weapons used to kill walkers without sanitizing them is more of a problem. At least the previous episode they had Rick light Lucille on fire before he hit Negan with it.
 
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Nemo

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
422
I'll be forever annoyed that after nearly 8 seasons of people not giving 2 shits about getting walker blood on them, covering themselves in blood, etc. that suddenly covering knives in walker blood gives people infections.

So annoyed.
This show insults its fans so badly. It's like an abusive relationship, but we just keep coming back for more.
 

riotous

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,351
Seattle
And yes I do remember in early seasons once or twice they worried about walker blood, but they completely gave up on that concept and never mentioned it again.
 

Fourth Storm

Member
Oct 25, 2017
325
So...is picture quality an issue for anyone? I have Verizon and walking dead looks terrible. I have a 4k oled and it seems it is only wd.

I also have FIOS and it's driving me nuts. I spent a good portion of the evening trying to figure out if it's my 2012 Panasonic Plasma starting to show its age, the new Arris VMS we just upgraded to, or the source itself. The image is extremely muddy with lots of dithering and color banding. In the dark scenes, when people move, they leave smeared images behind them for a second. I have to run some more tests, but so far I've only noticed this sort of thing recently during dark scenes of the Walking Dead and also the X-Files.
 

Pillville

Member
Oct 25, 2017
396
Ohio
I'm sure someone (with more free time than me) will make a long compilation of all the times they have had walker blood on their skin, eyes, mouth. Ate/drank tainted food/drink. Wounded by weapons with walker blood.

I always took it as walker saliva was poison. They could have had Eugene find a way to harvest their saliva and put it in weapons. More creative and goes with the last 8 fucking seasons.
 
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RatskyWatsky

RatskyWatsky

Are we human or are we dancer?
Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,931
The show is really dragging on. I want them to move onto the next danger.

I think it would behoove the show to stick to big bads/threats that only last one season. It was a mistake to stretch out The Governor arc across two seasons and the Negan conflict shouldn't have been two seasons either. One of the things that made season 5 feel so fresh and exciting is that the Hunter and Hospital arcs only lasted a few episodes each.

If the show decides to do the
Whisperer
arc, I hope they contain it to just one season.
 

SeanM

Member
Oct 26, 2017
2,434
USA
I enjoyed last week for the most part, but this episode was right back to horrible writing. Honestly it feels like the writers are just trolling the audience to see what they can get away with.

Saviors literally bring knives (*and other melee weapons) to a gunfight, they all herd together closely in one big group right in the middle of an open yard, with Simon loudly whistling and giving away their position. Should be easy targets, right? Suddenly the Saviors are blinded by bright lights and getting shot at from above with machine gun fire raining down... Yet barely any of them get hit. Come on.

Then right after this attack everybody goes fast asleep with the front door wide open and no guards. Nobody is watching all of the injured people in the medical ward who are at risk of dying and turning. Nobody is waking up as people are getting bit by walkers, or as a walker loudly falls down the stairs just a few feet away from them, etc. Nobody is watching the prisoners either apparently, not even guarding the gate key (shouldn't Maggie be holding it? They beat us over the head about how she's "such a great leader" after all). That fucking twerp kid Henry steals the key and stupidly walks inside a gate of 38 prisoners.

There's suspension of disbelief and then there's... this crap. It's really hard to get invested in an "all out war" storyline when both sides act so fucking dumb. Things are finally happening but it's unraveling in the dumbest possible way. Everything that's occurring is a result of characters behaving stupidly and it's frustrating to watch rather than entertaining.
 

jawzpause

Member
Nov 7, 2017
2,244
Why do we keep watching this shit? I've been complaining about how bad this show has gotten for years and yet I'm still watching it

I only have myself to blame
 

ArkkAngel007

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
5,001
Why do we keep watching this shit? I've been complaining about how bad this show has gotten for years and yet I'm still watching it

I only have myself to blame

Probably because we know they have the material and talent to actually do great things and keep hoping the next episode will bring it, even if it's just for that episode or two.
 

RNG

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,004
Would have been hilarious if it was the season finale and all the Saviors got wiped out because of Simon whistling out in the open bunched up together.
 

riotous

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,351
Seattle
I don't understand the issue. Walker guts were mostly slathered on clothing rather than bare skin, and I don't remember any clearly open wounds being gunked.

You be careful around any infected blood because it's possible a small cut or via your eyes you can get a blood born infection; they literally don't give a shit about walker blood the entire series outside of a couple of mentions early in the show.

They regularly kill walkers in way that causes epic amounts of blood splatter; if the blood is dangerous they should have had that be something to take into account, ever.
 

ArkkAngel007

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
5,001
You be careful around any infected blood because it's possible a small cut or via your eyes you can get a blood born infection; they literally don't give a shit about walker blood the entire series outside of a couple of mentions early in the show.

They regularly kill walkers in way that causes epic amounts of blood splatter; if the blood is dangerous they should have had that be something to take into account, ever.

That's true, but the show has never been a stickler in that reality, as it is with just about every zombie media. Even 28 Days Later where Jim is splattered in blood early on just has the dumb luck nothing got in his mouth or eyes (which seems ridiculous when you watch it). Breaking skin or very blatant contact with an orifice has always been the line drawn.

So within the framework of the show, walker bits on the skin is hardly worth lighting the torches when we've had far more egregious BS (the Governor and his daughter) in that area as well as the rest of the nonsense peddled with the firearms, kills, etc.

Edit: This is the same show that has everyone infected already and somehow needs an additional super drug resistant bacteria to follow through the lethal tagging. Also the same one where Gabriel was able to survive with antibiotics after supposedly getting sick from the same thing (guts getting in an open wound/mucus area).
 
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ZeoVGM

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
76,219
Providence, RI
It's amazing going from this new episode to the newest episode of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and seeing the Grand Canyon-sized gap in quality and basic writing.

I know it's not directly linked to budget but you would think that with this being one of the biggest shows on television, it wouldn't have trouble matching the quality of a Friday night broadcast television drama.
 

Deleted member 8561

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Banned
Oct 26, 2017
11,284
I could be wrong but my recollection is that he looked up and zombie blood did indeed unluckily drop directly in his eye. Wasn't it from crows who were eating one?

Jim was the main character, you're thinking of Frank who did get blood in his eyes.

The virus in itself makes little sense. It's a two prong infection, one where everyone is infected with a benign strain and then you have some type of secondary infection that kicks in once your bloodstream has contact with infected saliva.

Not every disease is bloodborne. Rabies isn't transmitted by blood, yet it's transmitted through saliva in bites.

The show has been pretty consistant that intake of walkers blood doesn't infect you with the zombie virus itself.
 

Jave

Member
Oct 30, 2017
2,825
Chile
This episode was doing pretty good until that fucking kid opened the gate. That way they keep bringing the whole "kid fucks up badly" plot device is seriously ridiculous by now.

It's also so dumb that they keep using plot points that require stupid shit to happen for them to work.

- There was no one guarding the infirmary because then the zombies wouldn't have gone outside.
- They needed to have the mansion front door open otherwise the zombies couldn't have gone in.
- Nobody noticed the kid with the gun because otherwise he couldn't have set the prisoners free.

They could come up with much better ways to make this stuff work, but it feels they aren't even trying.

On the good side, I enjoyed most of the action scenes, and even with how stupid it was, it was nice seeing the zombies being an actual threat again. I do agree that the inconsistency with how long people can turn is a bit frustrating, but I can live with that.

Saviors literally bring knives (*and other melee weapons) to a gunfight, they all herd together closely in one big group right in the middle of an open yard, with Simon loudly whistling and giving away their position. Should be easy targets, right? Suddenly the Saviors are blinded by bright lights and getting shot at from above with machine gun fire raining down... Yet barely any of them get hit. Come on.
Yeah, that part was incredibly dumb, specially since Simon had told that other Savior just seconds ago to keep it quiet.
 

Leithkorias

Member
Oct 27, 2017
258
Jim was the main character, you're thinking of Frank who did get blood in his eyes.

The virus in itself makes little sense. It's a two prong infection, one where everyone is infected with a benign strain and then you have some type of secondary infection that kicks in once your bloodstream has contact with infected saliva.

Not every disease is bloodborne. Rabies isn't transmitted by blood, yet it's transmitted through saliva in bites.

The show has been pretty consistant that intake of walkers blood doesn't infect you with the zombie virus itself.

You're right I was thinking of Frank. It' been awhile.

Edit: but ya for me the show has turned into eyeroll hour. I'm not the type to talk to my tv but I've found myself doing it with TWD. Constantly. And it's mostly "oh come the fuck on!"

Especially the part where they turned off all the lights at hilltop then blinded the saviors and proceeded to miss 99 out of every 100 shots at them. 3 or 4 people getting away there would have been believable. Nearly all of them??? Wtf?

Ever notice how it's the exact opposite when they're shooting walkers? It's 99 out of 100 perfect headshots. Everyone's a marksman. But human targets even when standing still are somehow impossible to hit.
 
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Surfinn

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
28,590
USA
The show's writing/overall quality jumped the shark a while ago. I watch for the same reasons I return to the prequels.. to enjoy just how bad it is.

Every once in a while, I'm pleasantly surprised by a good moment.

The last two episodes, at the very least, have shit happening. It might be brazenly illogical, but the characters are doing things and the plot is moving along (the sooner we're done with All Out War, the better). That's more to say than usual.

I'm very curious to see just how far the writers are willing to go to keep the ship from sinking.
 

ZeoVGM

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
76,219
Providence, RI
Did anyone else notice the awkward plot point where the kid leaves the house in the middle of the day and it dramatically cuts to commercials? Then it comes back and it's immediately Carol bringing the kid back into the house. It was so awkward and pointless.
 
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RatskyWatsky

RatskyWatsky

Are we human or are we dancer?
Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,931
Did anyone else notice the awkward plot point where the kid leaves the house in the middle of the day and it dramatically cuts to commercials? Then it comes back and it's immediately Carol bringing the kid back into the house. It was so awkward and pointless.

Pretty sure that was a visual gag.