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Monopoly Mafia - Proletariat of the World Unite
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Questions about how the games rules are executed is hardly "mechanics" speculation is fun and can help us figure out who really cares about the game, and who are just trying to skate by on day one.
Personally I think Faddy's Post is far more telling about the game rules and mechanics than any speculation could have been. My oxford street comment being an "i would usually edit my post, but can't because mafia type of interjection".
Currently, I think you, nin, and Apollo are playing pretty clean games, scum or town its straight mafia for you three. leaning more towards town than scum (because advancing reads and keeping players focused is a very town subject).
Kyanrute is knee deep in the plight of the people and is about to start demanding their bread, (or are they the pigs sleeping in beds without sheets?) Its a pretty standard day 1 play for scum, play up the game theme rack up a decent post count and then hide in the inevitable day 1 last hour insanity.
So based on those four quick reads:
vote: Kyanrute
Yeah, after HvV I've had my share of mechanics discussion and then some. I get it, it's day one, there isn't much else to talk about, but it's pretty boring to me.
I don't like it. If we assume that the majority of players in the game are town (standard mafia game), then probability is in favor that those who got cards are town. Given we don't know a lot about the game mechanics yet, it doesn't look great to start immediately trying to figure out which chance person's token is which and what cards they might have gotten. (speculation: the tax refund CC telling the game your token certainly seems like it is designed to be a negative thing).
Yeah, I agree that having mechanics talk dominate the discussion sucks and probably will bite town in the ass later.
Right now I'm leaning towards an inactive policy lynch. Don't see anything scummy so far, and scum will probably try and stay low this phase, especially considering how low effort the talking points have been.
Right now I'm leaning towards an inactive policy lynch. Don't see anything scummy so far, and scum will probably try and stay low this phase, especially considering how low effort the talking points have been.
Not all mechanics discussion is equal, I didn't mind Royal's questions for example. But if player only discusses the game mechanics in way that will give benefit more to scum than town, that I will take issue with (example: discussimg what token got what card/saying that role claiming is "safer").
It's a pretty common scum tactic to try to make town waste D1 on mechanics instead of scumhunt. Of course that doesn't mean that all mechanic/rule discussion should be banned, but it's something to keep in mind.
And I agree with those comments about Kyan. He has been using very theme-heavy flowery language.
It's a pretty common scum tactic to try to make town waste D1 on mechanics instead of scumhunt. Of course that doesn't mean that all mechanic/rule discussion should be banned, but it's something to keep in mind.
And I agree with those comments about Kyan. He has been using very theme-heavy flowery language.
Right. We agree on Kyan, then. I feel like there are two types of mechanics speculation posts on D1: wild speculation (which I feel usually come from townies who can't help themselves) and information-chasing ones. I'd put Kyan's posts in the latter category.
In a game like this, don't you think scum would prefer trying to look busy by commenting on mechanics over literally not saying anything?
I sort of find it funny that Nicole said she doesn't like mechanic discussion, and then only discussed those anyway.
How did Kyan's actions make you read him? Or do you think his posts were NAI?
One other thing - this exchange I had with DCPat gives me a slight town-read on him for now;
I don't think scum would make such a glaring oversight in an attempt to fish for info. They'd be a lot more careful.
Probability =/= mechanics, only one sentence there, the speculation, was mechanics discussion.
I implied with the "I don't like it" that I'd say he leans scum to me right now. I definitely do not think his posts were NAI.
Also, while it is probably "roleplay," the fact that he uses comrade every post really seems like a tactic to try and get people to read him as a comrade (town) every time they read his posts.
RE: type of mechanic speculation
Brazil do you think this falls into wild speculation or information-chasing
Considering how little we discussed so far, I think there's scum not even bothering to look busy and just straight up kept quiet till now. Zero chance the entire team is doing that though.
Kyan's probing doesn't strike me as particularly scummy. He went pretty quick about it and straight up called Bear out. Seems kinda risky for someone just pretending to discuss.
Scum can be pretty careless on day 1. Especially in a game like this where the start of the day is going to be focused on mechanics. In this case I don't think it means anything but I wouldn't dismiss people so quickly purely based on the idea of scum potentially being more careful .
Comrade Bear, you must know of the secret channels that the bourgeoisie communicate with. Why do you underestimate the capitalist so? Certainly the enemies of the state would be able to determine the very thing I determined within mere moment - no - more than that, for their available resources are as of yet of an unknown quantity. The desire of this comrade is to make certain that all workers are aware of the situation. Foolish it would be to let the proletariat be silenced by staying silent.
I don't mind the first two posts you quoted so much, but the third one gives me pause. His insistence on the subject gives the air of someone who's too concerned with that particular mechanic, and he made that last post after Faddy's response to Royal made it clear that that type of speculation wouldn't lead us anywhere. I'm musing on Xbro right now.
Sure. That's a fair point. I'm not dismissing him, though - I made my first impression of DCPat public precisely to see what the rest of you thought of it.
But what on earth does town gain with figuring out who got what C card?
Town has no reason to find out who got what card today. Only scum does.
No card-comrade pairs have been determined, comrades. Nor it is the desire of this comrade to pursue the matter deeper for now. The matter is on the table now and that should sufficiently increase the likelihood that all members of the commune are aware of how the capitalist system operates. I feel that these anti-revolutionary accusations are targeting a Kyan who pursued the matter further than I did, and thus, strange.
Yea Brazil it was a pretty dumb oversight on my part. Thank you for pointing it out again haha...
But in all honesty, that's something I see myself doing as scum and as town aswell. But I like seeing the old Brasil back again. Keep em coming.
I do not think we find scum by looking who is role fishing or something. To obvious to do as scum.
But in all honesty, that's something I see myself doing as scum and as town aswell. But I like seeing the old Brasil back again. Keep em coming.
I do not think we find scum by looking who is role fishing or something. To obvious to do as scum.
I'm really confused by kyan right now but I feel like it is just the posting style more than me thinking he is scum.
I spent a bit trying to read and re-read his previous post haha.
I spent a bit trying to read and re-read his previous post haha.
Even if it seems obvious, its worth looking into. People make mistakes
I have no opinion on Kyan because I have ignored most of his posts, I'm sorry but if he continues the fake political roleplaying talk I'll continue to ignore him for the rest of the game. I'm not going to get a headache from trying to understand what he is saying every time.
Ignoring a player, from a town perspective, doesn't seem very useful.
How would you feel if I typed the rest of my posts in Greek? This is kind of how I feel, I don't understand what he is saying unless I read his post 3 times and I'm not going to bother at this point.
I mean, if you were typing all your posts in Greek, I'd just treat it as an attempt to obfuscate. By extension of that, as a scumtell.
Saying you're not going to bother sounds like you're trying to justify not having a read on him, which is worrisome.
I guess I'll try it too.
VOTE: Brazil
Mechanics and cards are here to confuse us and I'm sure they'll fuck us over real fast.
I'm going to be voting him anyway unless he starts talking normally I guess there's your read?
Works for me, although that was a rather roundabout way to come to that read. :p
I meant no offense :P
That's an interesting response. How will they fuck us over? Do you have any thoughts on the players who were trying to get information on cards from others?
Not in that the mechanics will hurt us in themselves, I just think the addition of them will give mafia easy ways to gaslight and obfuscate info.
Many are the capitalists to hang, comrade. The revolution needs no infighting. To the wise comrade commenting about the meaninglessness of this post, know that this comrade knows that.
While I do not share the fire some comrades have about information control, I do see some good in their concerns. The topic is an easy one and some of the more surface level observations, those that seem like comments for a comments sake are worrying. If flipped upside down, one also could be worried about the opposite - strong total dismissal and/or opposition to the idea could feel worrying as well. Yet the artificiality of the latter one seems harder to judge, this comrade feels.
I'm not seeing how its suspicious to want to keep that information a secret for now. I don't think anyone is saying that information can't be helpful later, but right now it only benefits one side to try and reveal who that piece is.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this sums up to: "Yeah, I'm shitposting".
Can you point out the former in the thread? The way you worded it seems like you have someone in mind.
That seems likely, yeah. Please share your thoughts on the players I asked about when you can.
You've two votes and at least three others voicing suspicion of you already, Kyan. Give us something to work with. A read on someone or something.
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==== DAY 1 VOTES ====
Day Start
kyanrute (2 votes)
grizzly - #63 #69
zippedpinhead - #152
geno - #183
sexy fish (1 votes)
brazil - #154
sophia (1 votes)
grizzly - #86
zippedpinhead (1 votes)
apollo - #141
brazil (1 votes)
sexy fish - #177
dcpat (0 votes)
zippedpinhead - #88 #94
Post Counts:
grizzly: 16 geno: 12 brazil: 11 kyanrute: 11 fandorin: 11 kalor: 10 zippedpinhead: 9 nin: 8 dcpat: 7 sophia: 7 ketkat: 6 empressdonna: 5 stuart444: 5 sweetnicole: 3 xbro: 3 sexy fish: 3 apollo: 2 royal_flush: 1 faddy: 1 bronx-man: 1
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Day Start
kyanrute (2 votes)
zippedpinhead - #152
geno - #183
sexy fish (1 votes)
brazil - #154
sophia (1 votes)
grizzly - #86
zippedpinhead (1 votes)
apollo - #141
brazil (1 votes)
sexy fish - #177
dcpat (0 votes)
Post Counts:
grizzly: 16 geno: 12 brazil: 11 kyanrute: 11 fandorin: 11 kalor: 10 zippedpinhead: 9 nin: 8 dcpat: 7 sophia: 7 ketkat: 6 empressdonna: 5 stuart444: 5 sweetnicole: 3 xbro: 3 sexy fish: 3 apollo: 2 royal_flush: 1 faddy: 1 bronx-man: 1
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I didn't notice this earlier but you're leaning town on Apollo when they only have two posts? Just because they dismissed mechanics talk for today?
Nobody made the overly easy Fish vote based on his omgus-vote and questionable statement about mechanics discussion yet? Interesting. I expected half the game to jump onto that. Fwiw, I think it doesn't sound like nervous Scum. Pretty NAI.
I feel good about Zipped so far. No strong Scum reads yet.
I feel good about Zipped so far. No strong Scum reads yet.
Can you clear up this sentence? I'm having a hard time following this. You think Grizzly, nin and Apollo are what now?
Grizzly and Brazil seemed to have slid in to the "town leaders" position a little bit, with them being on the higher end of the post counts so far. Kind of neutral on Grizzly so far tho, nothing's really stood out. Brazil had that comment at #159 regarding DCPat where he gave him a slight town read. I didn't think much of it initially, but then Kalor came up with this post:
Gonna keep that read in mind in case DCPat or Brazil flip scum. Other than that, Brazil's a neutral as well.
Geno's justification for ignoring Kyan felt off to me. I didn't really like it, nor the fact that he tossed out a vote only after I suggested it. :P
Kyan himself... I dunno? He only had one real read at #89 where he called out Grizzly. Kyan's always a bit of a hard read for me, especially considering how often he's been scum in the past.
There's a few players who have chimed in with mechanics speculation, and either nothing else, or very little in reads. I'd like to hear some more from these players, starting with Xbro and Stuart444. What do you two feel about the other players right now?
Vote: Xbro
Gonna keep that read in mind in case DCPat or Brazil flip scum. Other than that, Brazil's a neutral as well.
Geno's justification for ignoring Kyan felt off to me. I didn't really like it, nor the fact that he tossed out a vote only after I suggested it. :P
Kyan himself... I dunno? He only had one real read at #89 where he called out Grizzly. Kyan's always a bit of a hard read for me, especially considering how often he's been scum in the past.
There's a few players who have chimed in with mechanics speculation, and either nothing else, or very little in reads. I'd like to hear some more from these players, starting with Xbro and Stuart444. What do you two feel about the other players right now?
Vote: Xbro
I can't say his participation so far pushes me in either direction.
Upon rereading his stuff, though, I found this post a little odd:
nin why did you feel the need to "respond to" a counterpoint Grizzly made to Geno "before it could blow up into something"? You weren't in that conversation. Why did you intervene?
I feel like Kyan is trolling though I'm reading him somewhat as town because I can't imagine if he was scum, that he would be posting the way he is. Making himself seem like an obvious target. That said, I can't discount the possibility.
I don't have any strong scum reads for anyone at the moment. Though I do find myself wondering about people who have only posted a few times like Apollo. Feels very stay under the radar like in order to survive the first day.
We'll see how things are tomorrow but right now, I'm not sure who I'll be voting for. Either Kyan because while I'm reading him as town, I'm still not 100% sure or maybe one of the lower activity posters depending on how things go tomorrow of course.
I don't have any strong scum reads for anyone at the moment. Though I do find myself wondering about people who have only posted a few times like Apollo. Feels very stay under the radar like in order to survive the first day.
We'll see how things are tomorrow but right now, I'm not sure who I'll be voting for. Either Kyan because while I'm reading him as town, I'm still not 100% sure or maybe one of the lower activity posters depending on how things go tomorrow of course.
Kyranrute's posts are definitely hard to parse, which I'm not fond of, but I'll do my best. Would be nice if it didn't require so much effort though.
Fair enough. In any case it's not like it tells us that much since we don't know your preferences, my first impression was just that it was curious that you might have hinted something.
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Fair enough. In any case it's not like it tells us that much since we don't know your preferences, my first impression was just that it was curious that you might have hinted something.
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If you're going to make note of that, I urge you to notice how Kalor represented what I said was"a slight town-read of [DCPat]" as "dismissing people so quickly". He cranked things up a notch with that post.
Kyan's demeanor doesn't really seem to change because of alignment.
If kyan had backed up and stopped posting in his weird way after being called out on it so soon into the game, I would definitely be scum reading him.
His stubbornness is not town indicative though, considering his playstyle. As it is, I wouldn't mind his lynch, though I'm partial towards an inactive one.
His stubbornness is not town indicative though, considering his playstyle. As it is, I wouldn't mind his lynch, though I'm partial towards an inactive one.
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