Questions about how the games rules are executed is hardly "mechanics" speculation is fun and can help us figure out who really cares about the game, and who are just trying to skate by on day one.At any case the current case where players are either absent or only talking about mechanics is more or less the ideal D1 for scum.
I'm just gonna do the Stan and say that this mechanics speculation is boring and pointless as all hell.
SweetNicole what do you think of Kyan immediately trying to figure out who ended up with a card today?
Right. We agree on Kyan, then. I feel like there are two types of mechanics speculation posts on D1: wild speculation (which I feel usually come from townies who can't help themselves) and information-chasing ones. I'd put Kyan's posts in the latter category.Yeah, after HvV I've had my share of mechanics discussion and then some. I get it, it's day one, there isn't much else to talk about, but it's pretty boring to me.
I don't like it. If we assume that the majority of players in the game are town (standard mafia game), then probability is in favor that those who got cards are town. Given we don't know a lot about the game mechanics yet, it doesn't look great to start immediately trying to figure out which chance person's token is which and what cards they might have gotten. (speculation: the tax refund CC telling the game your token certainly seems like it is designed to be a negative thing).
In a game like this, don't you think scum would prefer trying to look busy by commenting on mechanics over literally not saying anything?Yeah, I agree that having mechanics talk dominate the discussion sucks and probably will bite town in the ass later.
Right now I'm leaning towards an inactive policy lynch. Don't see anything scummy so far, and scum will probably try and stay low this phase, especially considering how low effort the talking points have been.
Yeah, after HvV I've had my share of mechanics discussion and then some. I get it, it's day one, there isn't much else to talk about, but it's pretty boring to me.
I don't like it. If we assume that the majority of players in the game are town (standard mafia game), then probability is in favor that those who got cards are town. Given we don't know a lot about the game mechanics yet, it doesn't look great to start immediately trying to figure out which chance person's token is which and what cards they might have gotten. (speculation: the tax refund CC telling the game your token certainly seems like it is designed to be a negative thing).
Just wondering what the harm is for the playing involved or town if he tells us now that he can't vote today. I don't think it something best saved for day end. Not voting at all and keeping quiet about it has no use either.
I mean it blocks you from voting, people gonna notice.
That information is 100% NAI and won't help town in any way. Revealing they got that card narrows down the possibilities for their identity on the board, which is not something town should be concerned with right now. Knowing someone ended up with that card, scum can focus elsewhere during the day phase.
Scum has reasons to identify and fear those who got cards; town doesn't.
I don't think scum would make such a glaring oversight in an attempt to fish for info. They'd be a lot more careful.
I sort of find it funny that Nicole said she doesn't like mechanic discussion, and then only discussed those anyway.
How did Kyan's actions make you read him? Or do you think his posts were NAI?
Right. We agree on Kyan, then. I feel like there are two types of mechanics speculation posts on D1: wild speculation (which I feel usually come from townies who can't help themselves) and information-chasing ones. I'd put Kyan's posts in the latter category.
Okay, I hate to be hung up on the properties, but on the keywords, property space specifically says spaces that can be bought. Were this an actual game of monopoly, you would only be able to 'kill' someone if they landed on your property. It would make sense to have some limiting factor on kills because this does not seem like a short game.
Considering how little we discussed so far, I think there's scum not even bothering to look busy and just straight up kept quiet till now. Zero chance the entire team is doing that though.Right. We agree on Kyan, then. I feel like there are two types of mechanics speculation posts on D1: wild speculation (which I feel usually come from townies who can't help themselves) and information-chasing ones. I'd put Kyan's posts in the latter category.
In a game like this, don't you think scum would prefer trying to look busy by commenting on mechanics over literally not saying anything?
One other thing - this exchange I had with DCPat gives me a slight town-read on him for now;
I don't think scum would make such a glaring oversight in an attempt to fish for info. They'd be a lot more careful.
Not all mechanics discussion is equal, I didn't mind Royal's questions for example. But if player only discusses the game mechanics in way that will give benefit more to scum than town, that I will take issue with (example: discussimg what token got what card/saying that role claiming is "safer").
It's a pretty common scum tactic to try to make town waste D1 on mechanics instead of scumhunt. Of course that doesn't mean that all mechanic/rule discussion should be banned, but it's something to keep in mind.
And I agree with those comments about Kyan. He has been using very theme-heavy flowery language.
I don't mind the first two posts you quoted so much, but the third one gives me pause. His insistence on the subject gives the air of someone who's too concerned with that particular mechanic, and he made that last post after Faddy's response to Royal made it clear that that type of speculation wouldn't lead us anywhere. I'm musing on Xbro right now.RE: type of mechanic speculation
Brazil do you think this falls into wild speculation or information-chasing
Sure. That's a fair point. I'm not dismissing him, though - I made my first impression of DCPat public precisely to see what the rest of you thought of it.Scum can be pretty careless on day 1. Especially in a game like this where the start of the day is going to be focused on mechanics. In this case I don't think it means anything but I wouldn't dismiss people so quickly purely based on the idea of scum potentially being more careful .
Comrade Bear, you must know of the secret channels that the bourgeoisie communicate with. Why do you underestimate the capitalist so? Certainly the enemies of the state would be able to determine the very thing I determined within mere moment - no - more than that, for their available resources are as of yet of an unknown quantity. The desire of this comrade is to make certain that all workers are aware of the situation. Foolish it would be to let the proletariat be silenced by staying silent.
Town has no reason to find out who got what card today. Only scum does.Comrade Bear, you must know of the secret channels that the bourgeoisie communicate with. Why do you underestimate the capitalist so? Certainly the enemies of the state would be able to determine the very thing I determined within mere moment - no - more than that, for their available resources are as of yet of an unknown quantity. The desire of this comrade is to make certain that all workers are aware of the situation. Foolish it would be to let the proletariat be silenced by staying silent.
But what on earth does town gain with figuring out who got what C card?
Town has no reason to find out who got what card today. Only scum does.
Yea Brazil it was a pretty dumb oversight on my part. Thank you for pointing it out again haha...
But in all honesty, that's something I see myself doing as scum and as town aswell. But I like seeing the old Brasil back again. Keep em coming.
I do not think we find scum by looking who is role fishing or something. To obvious to do as scum.
I have no opinion on Kyan because I have ignored most of his posts, I'm sorry but if he continues the fake political roleplaying talk I'll continue to ignore him for the rest of the game. I'm not going to get a headache from trying to understand what he is saying every time.
How would you feel if I typed the rest of my posts in Greek? This is kind of how I feel, I don't understand what he is saying unless I read his post 3 times and I'm not going to bother at this point.Ignoring a player, from a town perspective, doesn't seem very useful.
How would you feel if I typed the rest of my posts in Greek? This is kind of how I feel, I don't understand what he is saying unless I read his post 3 times and I'm not going to bother at this point.
I guess I'll try it too.
I'm going to be voting him anyway unless he starts talking normally I guess there's your read?I mean, if you were typing all your posts in Greek, I'd just treat it as an attempt to obfuscate. By extension of that, as a scumtell.
Saying you're not going to bother sounds like you're trying to justify not having a read on him, which is worrisome.
I'm going to be voting him anyway unless he starts talking normally I guess there's your read?
I meant no offense :PYea Brazil it was a pretty dumb oversight on my part. Thank you for pointing it out again haha...
But in all honesty, that's something I see myself doing as scum and as town aswell. But I like seeing the old Brasil back again. Keep em coming.
I do not think we find scum by looking who is role fishing or something. To obvious to do as scum.
That's an interesting response. How will they fuck us over? Do you have any thoughts on the players who were trying to get information on cards from others?I guess I'll try it too.
VOTE: Brazil
Mechanics and cards are here to confuse us and I'm sure they'll fuck us over real fast.
Not in that the mechanics will hurt us in themselves, I just think the addition of them will give mafia easy ways to gaslight and obfuscate info.I meant no offense :P
That's an interesting response. How will they fuck us over? Do you have any thoughts on the players who were trying to get information on cards from others?
I'm going to be voting him anyway unless he starts talking normally I guess there's your read?
While I do not share the fire some comrades have about information control, I do see some good in their concerns. The topic is an easy one and some of the more surface level observations, those that seem like comments for a comments sake are worrying. If flipped upside down, one also could be worried about the opposite - strong total dismissal and/or opposition to the idea could feel worrying as well. Yet the artificiality of the latter one seems harder to judge, this comrade feels.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this sums up to: "Yeah, I'm shitposting".Many are the capitalists to hang, comrade. The revolution needs no infighting. To the wise comrade commenting about the meaninglessness of this post, know that this comrade knows that.
While I do not share the fire some comrades have about information control, I do see some good in their concerns. The topic is an easy one and some of the more surface level observations, those that seem like comments for a comments sake are worrying. If flipped upside down, one also could be worried about the opposite - strong total dismissal and/or opposition to the idea could feel worrying as well. Yet the artificiality of the latter one seems harder to judge, this comrade feels.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this sums up to: "Yeah, I'm shitposting".
That seems likely, yeah. Please share your thoughts on the players I asked about when you can.Not in that the mechanics will hurt us in themselves, I just think the addition of them will give mafia easy ways to gaslight and obfuscate info.
You've two votes and at least three others voicing suspicion of you already, Kyan. Give us something to work with. A read on someone or something.While I do not share the fire some comrades have about information control, I do see some good in their concerns. The topic is an easy one and some of the more surface level observations, those that seem like comments for a comments sake are worrying. If flipped upside down, one also could be worried about the opposite - strong total dismissal and/or opposition to the idea could feel worrying as well. Yet the artificiality of the latter one seems harder to judge, this comrade feels.
Questions about how the games rules are executed is hardly "mechanics" speculation is fun and can help us figure out who really cares about the game, and who are just trying to skate by on day one.
Personally I think Faddy's Post is far more telling about the game rules and mechanics than any speculation could have been. My oxford street comment being an "i would usually edit my post, but can't because mafia type of interjection".
Currently, I think you, nin, and Apollo are playing pretty clean games, scum or town its straight mafia for you three. leaning more towards town than scum (because advancing reads and keeping players focused is a very town subject).
Kyanrute is knee deep in the plight of the people and is about to start demanding their bread, (or are they the pigs sleeping in beds without sheets?) Its a pretty standard day 1 play for scum, play up the game theme rack up a decent post count and then hide in the inevitable day 1 last hour insanity.
So based on those four quick reads:
vote: Kyanrute
Currently, I think you, nin, and Apollo are playing pretty clean games, scum or town its straight mafia for you three. leaning more towards town than scum (because advancing reads and keeping players focused is a very town subject).
Scum can be pretty careless on day 1. Especially in a game like this where the start of the day is going to be focused on mechanics. In this case I don't think it means anything but I wouldn't dismiss people so quickly purely based on the idea of scum potentially being more careful .
I can't say his participation so far pushes me in either direction.Brazil what do you think about nin's contributions so far? He came in late and didn't post much, but it felt real sincere to me.
nin why did you feel the need to "respond to" a counterpoint Grizzly made to Geno "before it could blow up into something"? You weren't in that conversation. Why did you intervene?That is indeed true, just wanted to respond to it before it could blow up into something. Early stages of the game and maybe you are correct and he was indeed rope fishing
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I thought it was interesting. nothing more. In a game where an Iron can be replaced with a cat, but other replaced pieces are in this game I found it interesting that I was one of the pieces I like to play as. Its not my favorite piece, but its up there.
If you're going to make note of that, I urge you to notice how Kalor represented what I said was"a slight town-read of [DCPat]" as "dismissing people so quickly". He cranked things up a notch with that post.Grizzly and Brazil seemed to have slid in to the "town leaders" position a little bit, with them being on the higher end of the post counts so far. Kind of neutral on Grizzly so far tho, nothing's really stood out. Brazil had that comment at #159 regarding DCPat where he gave him a slight town read. I didn't think much of it initially, but then Kalor came up with this post:
Gonna keep that read in mind in case DCPat or Brazil flip scum. Other than that, Brazil's a neutral as well.
Kyan's demeanor doesn't really seem to change because of alignment.I feel like Kyan is trolling though I'm reading him somewhat as town because I can't imagine if he was scum, that he would be posting the way he is. Making himself seem like an obvious target. That said, I can't discount the possibility.