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Monopoly Mafia - Proletariat of the World Unite
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I hadn't responded to this yesterday, sorry for the delay. Its based on gut feeling around the two posts at the time. Apollo (along with the other two) seems focused on play as opposed to mechanics which is more of a town read.
I'll have to catch up on any other of Apollo's posts of course.
sticking by my Nin and Grizzly town read though. Gotta go and look at the rest of the top posters.
Some of the low posters might be just due to day start being on a holiday and yesterday being a day off work/school for many, many people. I know i can follow along better when my kids aren't around.
Some of the low posters might be just due to day start being on a holiday and yesterday being a day off work/school for many, many people. I know i can follow along better when my kids aren't around.
Sexy Fish and Royal are definitely on my radar. Neither seem to care much in discussing, and Royal comment on Fish's OMGUS vote is something to keep in mind, like Grizzly pointed out.
Right now I'm kinda just lost at what to do with so many players behind the minimum post count. Actually, I would like to hear more from basically everyone besides Grizzly and Brazil.
This is a bit of a downer. We agree that his actions were weird, but we arrive at completely opposite conclusions, haha.
Yesterday, when all nin had done was defend Geno, Fandorin mentioned town-reading him because he "felt sincere". Today, most of nin's posts were in an exchange with DCPat about Kyan - which, to me, felt like a forced follow-up of his defense of Geno. I agree that nin's posting style always makes him seem really earnest, but beyond that I don't see what you guys are seeing when you say you town-read him.
I expect more of him, to be honest. If he's town, he could end up being a huge help. Right now he's reminding me of myself during Buffy D1, when I was scum for the first time, though - a bit hesitant to post, jumping only at safe comments, and trying to find something to latch onto. I've made note of his vote against Zipped as the weakest one in the game so far (there were prodding votes from myself and others, but no one else actually tried to make them seem like more than mere prodding votes). Leaning scum.
Please talk more about this line of thought, Royal. What does the fact that people didn't jump on that OMGUS vote tell you?
It's hard for a reason to exist when it takes several reads of a post just to parse what he is saying.
The only people I'm pretty certain are town at the moment is Fandorin and Grizzly as they have been making a lot of good posts recently trying to scum hunt.
Besides that, I don't have any strong reads atm. I do think we need to hear more from the posters with the fewest posts in the thread.
So what about you Royal_Flush, let's hear more from you.
Besides that, I don't have any strong reads atm. I do think we need to hear more from the posters with the fewest posts in the thread.
So what about you Royal_Flush, let's hear more from you.
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==== DAY 1 VOTES ====
Day Start
kyanrute (3 votes)
grizzly - #63 #69
zippedpinhead - #152
geno - #183
xbro - #214
royal_flush (1 votes)
stuart444 - #260
apollo (1 votes)
grizzly - #249
empressdonna (1 votes)
fandorin - #209
brazil (1 votes)
sexy fish - #177
nin (1 votes)
sweetnicole - #216 #223
brazil - #247
xbro (0 votes)
sophia - #194 #217
zippedpinhead (0 votes)
apollo - #141 #197
stuart444 (0 votes)
sweetnicole - #206 #216
sexy fish (0 votes)
brazil - #154 #247
dcpat (0 votes)
zippedpinhead - #88 #94
sophia (0 votes)
grizzly - #86 #249
Post Counts:
grizzly: 20 nin: 19 brazil: 18 fandorin: 18 dcpat: 15 geno: 14 kalor: 12 kyanrute: 12 sophia: 12 zippedpinhead: 12 stuart444: 11 ketkat: 9 sweetnicole: 8 empressdonna: 7 xbro: 4 apollo: 4 faddy: 4 sexy fish: 3 royal_flush: 2 bronx-man: 1
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Majority is 10
DAY 1 ENDS IN
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Day Start
kyanrute (3 votes)
zippedpinhead - #152
geno - #183
xbro - #214
royal_flush (1 votes)
stuart444 - #260
apollo (1 votes)
grizzly - #249
empressdonna (1 votes)
fandorin - #209
brazil (1 votes)
sexy fish - #177
nin (1 votes)
brazil - #247
xbro (0 votes)
zippedpinhead (0 votes)
stuart444 (0 votes)
sexy fish (0 votes)
dcpat (0 votes)
sophia (0 votes)
Post Counts:
grizzly: 20 nin: 19 brazil: 18 fandorin: 18 dcpat: 15 geno: 14 kalor: 12 kyanrute: 12 sophia: 12 zippedpinhead: 12 stuart444: 11 ketkat: 9 sweetnicole: 8 empressdonna: 7 xbro: 4 apollo: 4 faddy: 4 sexy fish: 3 royal_flush: 2 bronx-man: 1
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Majority is 10
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Vote: Sexy Fish
Like I said in my previous post, I can't really read you either way at the moment, but we've yet to hear anything else from you so far.
Like I said in my previous post, I can't really read you either way at the moment, but we've yet to hear anything else from you so far.
Apollo Sexy Fish Royal_Flush
I'd really like to hear more from all 3 of you before the day ends. What's your opinion on everything that's going on? Do you have any reads? Are you leaning towards anyone today?
I'd really like to hear more from all 3 of you before the day ends. What's your opinion on everything that's going on? Do you have any reads? Are you leaning towards anyone today?
Well, a mixture of several things. First, we, as a community, finally seem to be on a way to leave the "ha, he/she made a bad play, they must be Scum" meta behind. Second, Scum are aware enough of that that they are not jumping onto SexyFish. Alternatively SexyFish is Scum and that's why Scum didn't jump on him. But as I said, I'm pretty null on him. I mainly wanted to note the observation that the post got ignored, while I expected at least two people (not two specific people just statistically two players) to make the easy vote. Either Scum or lazy Town. Didn't happen unfortunately. Maybe it would have helped to say nothing and keep the post open as bait, but meh...
My opinion is that D1 in general is the worst and it's compeltely beyond me how anybody can have a solid Scumread at this point in time. As usual, I have a couple of "Lean Town" reads, most notably
- Zipped (although I disagree with many of his opinions, I can follow the reasoning and he seems to care)
- Brazil (very inquisitive)
I'm always wary of people who didn't leave any impression on me. The ones I don't recall a single post by. Going through the player list, those individuals are:
- Fandorin
- DCPat
- Geno
- Sophia
- empressdonna
- xbro
- Apollo
That's almost half the roster, so I probably should read the thread once more while paying closer attention to the names...
Difficult to leave an impression of you, Royal, when, at the time, you were at two posts. :p
One of which was you voicing your disappointment regarding the moderator not answering your questions, so...
One of which was you voicing your disappointment regarding the moderator not answering your questions, so...
If that's not a language barrier issue... If it is, lat me rephrase that. I don't care what or how much you write about me, the issue is that when I think about you, I don't hink "oh, she did/said x this game"
Semantics, much? :p
Either way, now that we appear to have your attention, how do you feel about the game? You gave a fairly decent list of players you were wary about there.
Earnest is a good word I think. nin was the last player to post in the thread and did so without much of a catch up, posting while "thinking out loud" as he called it. Don't think scum would be that care free after coming in late like that. The slip you mention seems to be just that.
Of course, like you mentioned, that might be due to his posting style. In a Day 1 slow as this one, it's possible that he's just posting whatever since there's no pressure on scum yet.
The problem with 'kyan being kyan' is also that he wasn't doing that until he came under scrutiny. His first two posts were very much normal.
I townread Brazil pretty strongly, and I have since very early on in the phase (due to his warnings against focusing too hard on mechanic discussion).
I'm beginning to suspect Geno, which I suppose makes jimmy top suspect? This is mostly due to his recent thoughts on when Grizzly called him out for potential role fishing. It feels like revisionist history to start calling it "nonsense", when if you go back and read that post you can see where it's coming from. It's quite early in the day, and Geno says that it might be okay to reveal your role. It's not specifically targeted towards anyone yeah, but that might be to scum's advantage in this scenario- all it takes is one person (doesn't matter who) to say what makes their role unique and boom, scum has some extra, potentially useful information.
That's all conjecture of course and that post on its own could be totally innocuous, but I'm most concerned by the way Geno is trying to flip this on Grizzly now.
I'm assuming this post is in reply to Fandorin, but that wasn't explicitly clear reading through the thread.
Are you town reading or leaning town on Grizzly and/or Sophia as well?
Was not doing that for a whole of five minutes. What a odd thing to be concerned about! Yet I apologize, comrade. My eagerness to pursue the cause of the revolution was too much me and this comrade forgot his pitchfork in the stables when he heard the call of the proletariat.
My vote wasn't meant to be a full on scumread vote- it was to force out info on what I perceived to be a hint towards his role in his opening post. Call it weak if you want but I got what I wanted out of it and determined it was innocent. I'm not actively trying to blend into activity either, I just have trouble without something juicy to latch on to, which makes me a frequently poor D1 player- luckily there are some interesting things that have occurred here since my last post. All I can offer here is my apologies.
While the comrades seem not to have forgotten their sense of humor in the chaos of the revolution, let me also point out a secondary meaning in that comment of mine. I sought to see if comrade Geno was a man of his word! In addition, I wondered about the possibility where this comrade was to survive beyond the dawn of the revolution? Would comrade Geno still pursue my demise? "Steps too far, comrade!", I yelled at my own foolishness. What happens if the mob does not give me the kiss of death today? Where oh where shall comrade Geno go then? Has comrade Geno sought out the bourgeoisie in name only?
Read this comrade shall!
It looks to me like you are very much entertained by the reactions people are having from your posts.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're saying that Geno would have nowhere to go if you yielded to him?
Has anyone ever told you that you're annoying? Seriously, we're playing Mafia, not writing awful fanfiction that tries to ape the worst qualities of Blargonaut with none of the charm.
Going into the final hours today, I'd be interested in trains for Stuart444 or SexyFish today. Both of these players have acted very defensively to even a single vote applied their way.
Sexy Fish was pressured with a vote by Brazil, appeared to counter-vote Brazil as a OMG reaction (is that what an OMGUS is?) and then has done nothing since. The lack of activity but instantly appearing when voted for only to disappear again when the pressure dissipates rubs me the wrong way. I do not think SexyFish is actively trying to find scum or win the game if he is town. He seems mostly concerned with playing defensively.
Stuart444 I've made no secret of not liking how defensive their reaction was to my vote and push. They've been moderately more active than SexyFish, but I haven't seen them challenge anyone unless they're challenge back to a challenge tossed their way.
For now, I'm leaving my vote on Sexy Fish.
VOTE: Sexy Fish
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As for Kyanrute, while his roleplaying is interesting, he seems mostly playing reactionary from my perspective. I know there's been a lot of focus tossed Kyan's way, but I'd like to see kyan ask others questions and such, give reads, discussion other players, instead of simply discussing himself.
Sexy Fish was pressured with a vote by Brazil, appeared to counter-vote Brazil as a OMG reaction (is that what an OMGUS is?) and then has done nothing since. The lack of activity but instantly appearing when voted for only to disappear again when the pressure dissipates rubs me the wrong way. I do not think SexyFish is actively trying to find scum or win the game if he is town. He seems mostly concerned with playing defensively.
Stuart444 I've made no secret of not liking how defensive their reaction was to my vote and push. They've been moderately more active than SexyFish, but I haven't seen them challenge anyone unless they're challenge back to a challenge tossed their way.
For now, I'm leaving my vote on Sexy Fish.
VOTE: Sexy Fish
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As for Kyanrute, while his roleplaying is interesting, he seems mostly playing reactionary from my perspective. I know there's been a lot of focus tossed Kyan's way, but I'd like to see kyan ask others questions and such, give reads, discussion other players, instead of simply discussing himself.
Correction shall be issued comrade XBro! If this comrade is not in line for the noose extension today, what will Geno do? Has comrade Geno laid out the groundwork for his possible move out yet (comrade Kyan is still catching up...)? What about the day after this one, should comrade Kyan live? Will comrade Geno seek the destruction of all that is Kyaaa til the ends of time?
Why were you trying to get information on their role based on a potential hint? If it was a hint then surely it would be better for you to say nothing as it could have drawn attention to a town power role.
SweetNicole 'OMGUS' means 'oh my god you suck", usually refers to person voting/being suspocious of someone just because said person voted them.
I wasn't trying to get info on Zipped's role. I was trying to figure out why he might hint about it in the first place.
I will not object a Sexy Fish vote, since he's been very inactive. Stuart on the other hand falls under newbie protection. Most of them look scummy to Town in their first game because they didn't adjust yet. I don't have a definitive opinion there yet, but I would suggest waiting that one out for another day or two.
A follower of comrade Geno's? Or an alternative attempt to catalyze a change? We shall see.
I am certainly starting to understand why Geno would want to straight up ignore you, even if I think it's slightly scummy to do so due to the nature of the game. :P
I also echo SweetNicole's thoughts about wanting to hear more from you, as that would go a long ways to helping solidify my read of you.
Quite the observant observation. The traces of ideology are not there, but at least the eyes are sharp on some of the details. Noted. This comrade would agree with the comment and he hopes to address these concerns somewhere between right now and and soonTM during the revolutionary propaganda catch-up process.
Yeah, that was a response to Fandorin and I should have made that a lot clearer in that post. I'll make sure to not make that mistake again.
In regards to Grizzly, I am certainly reading him as town right now, nothing he said so far comes off as scumlike to me.
As for Sophia, I am leaning town but I will do a re-read on her posts to see if there is anything I've missed.
Between the two, I'm leaning towards Sexy Fish. The way he's acting is definitely not helpful to town in any way. I really hope we hear something from him before the end of the day.
Stuart getting defensive is more understandable from being new to the game. Some of it is definitely odd, but I think we'd be fine just keeping in mind how he's acted today. I don't think any of it is far enough to really push for a lynch yet.
Sorry all, been busy unexpectedly.
I'm not familiar with Kyan's playstyle but I would describe it as eccentric, some scum feelings, but I can't help think he wouldn't be this extra if he was scum.
Grizzly and SweetNicole are the only two I feel lean town at the moment. I need to further read but for now my vote will change.
I'll go with my gut.
VOTE Kyanrute
I asked you this question as followup to this line.
Certainly, if you were reading Brazil as town for pressuring someone to show up and talk and get involved, you would be strongly reading Grizzly and Sophia who have done similar things as well. While you town read/lean both of them, I find it interesting that you aren't using the same reasoning to justify town reads for Grizzly and Sophia.
To be clear, I don't think this is scummy, but I did want to point out the inconsistency with your read logic. In general, I'd hesitate from using "someone voted for someone else early to get them to show up" as your strongest indicator for a town read. It is day one, so there's isn't too much to go off of, but I'd be more interested in town reads where you talk about points they made that you agreed with, etc.
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Part of me wonders if you're calling me very inactive (which is true at that point) to throw votes my way when beforehand we both had the same activity level. Hmm.
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