• Ever wanted an RSS feed of all your favorite gaming news sites? Go check out our new Gaming Headlines feed! Read more about it here.
  • We have made minor adjustments to how the search bar works on ResetEra. You can read about the changes here.
Status
Not open for further replies.

Glasfrut

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
3,538
I don't understand why some fans of either don't feel lucky to have both players in one generation. People once tried to play up a Cristiano/Rooney rivalry...it never held. But this one...Messi and Ronaldo has provided so much to lovers of the game. They each appeal to different sensibilities - Messi embodies a kind of child-like innocence or natural talent whereas Ronaldo is the personification of hard work and pursuit of excellence/perfection. Messi is a painter, Ronaldo is a sculptor. They're both GOATs.
 

Anti

Banned
Nov 22, 2017
2,972
Australia
Isn't it crazy? I find it incredible how Messi fans are so short/narrow-sighted. I kinda feel for them, they lock themselves into thinking there can only be 1 great, at any given time, meanwhile Ronaldo has been completely destroying the football field for god knows how long now.

What's worse is they can't accept that there is another football player equally killing it right now, as if Messi cannot succeed as long as there is another that does well, it's such a strange thing to witness.

lol, wow.

I mean how can you be taken seriously with such shitty opinions. The dude is an absolute alien, has won it all except that 1 WC title, many times over at that! He's a club legend, national phenomenon and a living playing great.. Enjoy it my dude, he won't be around in a few years :)

M8, I am comparing him to Muller, I have no idea if you're american of what but Muller won EVERYTHING, and I mean EVERYTHING even world cups, he even have more goals that Ronaldo, why he is not in the conversation then?

Anyway...
 

I Don't Like

Member
Dec 11, 2017
14,920
He's up there with the greatest, absolutely. But he's also not on the team I support so I don't give a fuck.
 

Deleted member 8257

Oct 26, 2017
24,586
Maradona is the king. No one comes close.
 

Ahhthe90s

Banned
Oct 29, 2017
1,294
M8, I am comparing him to Muller, I have no idea if you're american of what but Muller won EVERYTHING, and I mean EVERYTHING even world cups, he even have more goals that Ronaldo, why he is not in the conversation then?

Anyway...
It's simple, Because Ronaldo is everything more than Muller.

it's not even the same game anymore, literally the game has changed so much since then, I doubt Muller would be able to do 1/2 the things he did back then today - this isn't a controversial opinion either, just logical.
 

Wamb0wneD

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
18,735
Ronaldo has the best memes at least.

1ff.gif


This will never not be funny af
One of the GoaT gifs for sure lmao.
 

Anti

Banned
Nov 22, 2017
2,972
Australia
It's simple, Because Ronaldo is everything more than Muller.

it's not even the same game anymore, literally the game has changed so much since then, I doubt Muller would be able to do 1/2 the things he did back then today - this isn't a controversial opinion either, just logical.

Hahaha you can not do those types of comparisons hahaha, it is obvious the game changed wtf are you talking about, I doubt Pele would be able to score as many goals at this time, or di stefano, but I also doubt Ronaldo would have been fit his entire career while playing in the 70's or 60's, you can not say that as an argument. And no, Ronaldo is not better than Muller, Muller won more, and scored more, he was a better striker than Ronaldo ever was. He not only proved it in the clubs but also at the world cup.
 

Ahhthe90s

Banned
Oct 29, 2017
1,294
Hahaha you can not do those types of comparisons hahaha, it is obvious the game changed wtf are you talking about, I doubt Pele would be able to score as many goals at this time, or di stefano, but I also doubt Ronaldo would have been fit his entire career while playing in the 70's or 60's, you can not say that as an argument. And no, Ronaldo is not better than Muller, Muller won more, and scored more, he was a better striker than Ronaldo ever was. He not only proved it in the clubs but also at the world cup.
I respect your opinion.

I also think if Ronaldo were to win the WC this year + the CL (doubt neither will occur) you still wouldn't rate him.
 

Anti

Banned
Nov 22, 2017
2,972
Australia
I respect your opinion.

I also think if Ronaldo were to win the WC this year + the CL (doubt neither will occur) you still wouldn't rate him.

I am saying he is one of the best strikers yet is not enough, anyway he actually has a great chance of winning both, Portugal's road to the final is actually pretty easy, they will only face a good team until the semis (besides Spain at groups) so he will only need to perform in two games.
 

Burrman

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
7,633
M8, you are saying he is the best ever, I do not share your opinion and gave plenty of reasons. I admit he is one of the best strikers ever, close to Muller but in no way he is one of the top 5 best players ever. The only reason his fans put them there is the amount of goals he has and the trophies, there are people like Kruyff who didn't even win half of what Ronaldo achieved but he is considered one of the top 5 players due to two simple facts, he changed the game and he was completely different from anyone at his time.

Ronaldo is just a striker, a great goalscorer but that's it, that's my opinion and everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Just a striker?
It's your opinion
 
Oct 25, 2017
2,263
M8, you are saying he is the best ever, I do not share your opinion and gave plenty of reasons. I admit he is one of the best strikers ever, close to Muller but in no way he is one of the top 5 best players ever. The only reason his fans put them there is the amount of goals he has and the trophies, there are people like Kruyff who didn't even win half of what Ronaldo achieved but he is considered one of the top 5 players due to two simple facts, he changed the game and he was completely different from anyone at his time.

Ronaldo is just a striker, a great goalscorer but that's it, that's my opinion and everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Are we talking about the same Johan Cruyff that was the first person to win 3 ballon d'or and the star of the ajax team that won 3 champions league in a row?
 

E.T.

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,035
Messi is individually the superior footballer in most respects. Ronaldo is a fantastic finisher, Messi is everything else. (both are generous team mates)
If you want to argue who deserves arbitrary individual awards, or has had more success at club level or international level, feel free to continue.

In regards to trophies though, the teams around these two plays a major role on their ability to shine.
Barcelona have in essence failed in replacing Xavi and Dani Alves, this has resulted in a more defensive, more compact team which pushes the creative responsibilities to Messi. He is tasked with both starting moves and finishing them, while on the other hand Madrid have spent wisely and with Casemiro, Kroos and Modric have created a pseudo Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets midfield who are much more capable of supporting and creating the chances for their focal point than Barcelona. Wing play, Crosses and general chaos in the box is what Ronaldo thrives off of, and Madrid give that to him.

Internationally,
Eder scores, Higuain misses and somehow they both are responsible for both results. It is just how football fans operate, their memories last a week and its just they way things are.
Memes and social media perpetuate animosity between fans and it becomes trench warfare to defend one or the other, we are lucky to witness two footballers dominate for as long as they both have, yet for me personally Messi has been the best to ever do it. Everyone else occupies a tier below him, some people just seem to have difficulty grasping that reality. People who have spent anytime trying to play the game of football would absolutely be kidding themselves if they thought it is easier to replicate the things Messi does week in week out than Ronaldo over the past decade.
 

Kill3r7

Member
Oct 25, 2017
24,450
Messi is individually the superior footballer in most respects. Ronaldo is a fantastic finisher, Messi is everything else. (both are generous team mates)
If you want to argue who deserves arbitrary individual awards, or has had more success at club level or international level, feel free to continue.

In regards to trophies though, the teams around these two plays a major role on their ability to shine.
Barcelona have in essence failed in replacing Xavi and Dani Alves, this has resulted in a more defensive, more compact team which pushes the creative responsibilities to Messi. He is tasked with both starting moves and finishing them, while on the other hand Madrid have spent wisely and with Casemiro, Kroos and Modric have created a pseudo Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets midfield who are much more capable of supporting and creating the chances for their focal point than Barcelona. Wing play, Crosses and general chaos in the box is what Ronaldo thrives off of, and Madrid give that to him.

Internationally,
Eder scores, Higuain misses and somehow they both are responsible for both results. It is just how football fans operate, their memories last a week and its just they way things are.
Memes and social media perpetuate animosity between fans and it becomes trench warfare to defend one or the other, we are lucky to witness two footballers dominate for as long as they both have, yet for me personally Messi has been the best to ever do it. Everyone else occupies a tier below him, some people just seem to have difficulty grasping that reality. People who have spent anytime trying to play the game of football would absolutely be kidding themselves if they thought it is easier to replicate the things Messi does week in week out than Ronaldo over the past decade.

I agree with what you are saying but the truth is you would be hard pressed to replicate either. People try to slight CR7 by saying his game is more pedestrian than Messi's but that's not necessarily true. His athleticism, especially for his age, is phenomenal. They have been the best players on the planet for about a decade. Others might have had a great year or two but no one has surpassed them.
 

E.T.

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,035
I agree with what you are saying but the truth is you would be hard pressed to replicate either. People try to slight CR7 by saying his game is more pedestrian than Messi's but that's not necessarily true. His athleticism, especially for his age, is phenomenal. They have been the best players on the planet for about a decade. Others might have had a great year or two but no one has surpassed them.
Absolutely, I just meant in an ideal footballing athlete of the future he more than likely would be able to replicate the style and impact of Ronaldo rather than having to perform Messi's duties every week. But your point about physical excellence is pertinent too and accurate, yet both have been physical beasts and not suffered major injuries either.
Both will retire as legends of the game, that much is cemented.
 

Qvoth

Member
Oct 26, 2017
11,902
Everyone says messi can't be the goat because he'll never win wc
Ronaldo has a negative chance in winning that but for some reason he is the goat?
 

E.T.

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,035
Everyone says messi can't be the goat because he'll never win wc
Ronaldo has a negative chance in winning that but for some reason he is the goat?
He does not have a negative chance of winning, Portugal has a chance. A good draw can take them a long way just like the Euros, anything is possible.
Morocco, Egypt and Spain, they will definitely make it through with a barrage of goals.
 

Kill3r7

Member
Oct 25, 2017
24,450
Everyone says messi can't be the goat because he'll never win wc
Ronaldo has a negative chance in winning that but for some reason he is the goat?

The whole WC thing comes to the fact that Pele and Maradona both did it. So did fat Ronaldo. It is not necessary for either to win it to be considered the GOAT but it would certainly help their case. Argentina has a much more talented team than Portugal. So there is a bit more pressure on Messi to deliver.
 

Carlius

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
3,000
Buenos Aires, Argentina
cristiano for his age (33) is a fucking beast. we have to see if when messi gets tot that age will he do what ronaldo is doing. hes just getting better and bette by the day. either way, its been 10 years since we only have two players on top scorers and ballon d'or, messi and cristiano.

messi is the GOAT to me, but cristiano is a beast and this year if cristiano wins the champions (which looks that way) messi needs to win the world cup if he doesnt wanna lose once again and let cr7 take the lead in best player award./
 

E.T.

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,035
No World Cup no fun fellas.
This is the worst metric by which to judge any individual player. There are so many factors that dictate who wins a competition that takes place every 4 years for one month.
Winning or not winning should not blind people to what they see every week.
 

Macca

Member
Oct 25, 2017
17,254
This is the worst metric by which to judge any individual player. There are so many factors that dictate who wins a competition that takes place every 4 years for one month.
Winning or not winning should not blind people to what they see every week.

Agreed. National team managers barely have time to work with the players and tactics. Club honours are a better metric.
 

Deleted member 11157

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
3,880
This is the worst metric by which to judge any individual player. There are so many factors that dictate who wins a competition that takes place every 4 years for one month.
Winning or not winning should not blind people to what they see every week.
This sounds like something someone who hasn't won a world cup would use as an excuse.
 

CenaToon

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,286
The World Cup is the most intense football tournament ever, and preciselly because is every 4 years, you only have at best 4 shots in your entire career to validate yourself in that tournament. The words "World Champions" really means something here (not like other sports that every year they have new "World Champions")

Messi (and later CR7 because has been closing the gap greatly with Messi this last years) will never been validated as taking the spot of the big 3 (Cryuff never won a WC too but he is there because he created a whole new way to see and play football, he was the true mastermind of what ended in modern football) unanimously without a WC.

That's how things always worked and it will not change because Messi playing for Argentina is 1/5th of Messi playing in Barcelona.
 
Oct 28, 2017
3,116
Can't we just agree that both Ronaldo and Messi are ridiculously good footballers and be happy that we got (and still get) to see them ply their trade at their absolute best week in week out?

Is that not enough? Why does everyone have to shit on one to like the other? It's insane. Just enjoy both.

If you were to ask me to name three geniuses, I probably wouldn't say Einstein, Newton...you know. I'd go Messi, Ronaldo, Maradona... Heskey.
 

XaviConcept

Art Director for Videogames
Verified
Oct 25, 2017
4,914
Im a Real Madrid guy and Id still take Messi. Cristiano is a very, very, veeerryyy good player but the feeling of danger when Messi has the ball anywhere past the midfield line is a step above.

As far as greatest of all time, its hard to tell. We forget how dominant Pele, Maradona, Cruyff, Di Stefano and even Zidane were. The way soccer is played now with more games, more tournaments and more super teams make the trophy argument kind of null. Its also not on Messi for not having any international cups, luck plays a husge factor in 11 vs 11. For my money, Zidane is the greatest player I have seen live
 

Zasa

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,768
This is the worst metric by which to judge any individual player. There are so many factors that dictate who wins a competition that takes place every 4 years for one month.
Winning or not winning should not blind people to what they see every week.
Indeed, but Messi carrying Argentina to 3 finals in a row is meaningless I guess.
 

docyoe

Member
Oct 27, 2017
236
Germany
Ronaldo is probably the hardest working footballer and everything he achieved is a testament to that.
But Messi is not only hard working but also unbelievably talented.... it's really no contest which of those two players is the goat.
For one Messi doesn't need to score to be important to the game, just look at the assists statistics.
He is just the better all-rounder.
 

Joni

Member
Oct 27, 2017
19,508
The arrogant complaint is always funny as he kinda looks like a great person. He does a lot of charity and he is a frequent blood donor.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.