Hence the kyanrute vote for most of day 1. I'm biased against people who play similarly to me.
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Difference of opinions I guess, but I've never really felt like day 1 shit posting is a tried and true scum tell in our community.
(And yes I'm aware of the hypocrisy knowing that I found Kyan annoying in Day 1 and eventually voted for him.)
Elaborate a bit on my scum reads at the moment:
Stuart444 -
Started as a gut feeling, now I think it's his overreaching playstyle that seems scummy. The quick and flimsy prod votes without follow up and the general disposition of commenting on everything but not actually offering much fits what I expect to be the modus operandi of a newbie scum player. I think someone being mentored by Tyon would be able to pull something like this, since it's definitely a bold strategy. Props to you if I'm right haha.
Xbro (and Kalor) -
The 3 votes in succession between Kalor, Xbro and Sexy Fish. I already explained a bit of this in post #623, but basically I don't think 3 different townies changed their minds and decided to vote so close to each other in that scenario.
And by that scenario I mean kyan leading with 4 votes and Sexy Fish right behind with 3. Other wagons start to pile up while kyan's starts losing some stream. Still 3 hours away from EoD, Grizzly, strong town read player, posts and reiterates his argument in favor of kyan:
10 minutes later, Kalor, Sexy Fish and Xbro change their votes with scarcely a minute between each post. Considering the decreasing length of each vote, it's probable that no one had the time to read the other post.
We know Sexy Fish was town. I'd be very surprised if neither are scum.
Sophia -
One readlist she posted in D1 initially got my attention for being rather cautious, not going either way and just being there. I feel like Sophia can blend in really well. I weirdly can't remember a memorable stance or post by her , despite being really active and seems to help out other players elaborate on their points, like she did by checking Stuart's D1 votes.
(I hate it when others argue that I didn't leave a impression or outright say I'm being unmemorable, so I apologize for bringing up pretty much the same point against you).
Stuart444 -
Started as a gut feeling, now I think it's his overreaching playstyle that seems scummy. The quick and flimsy prod votes without follow up and the general disposition of commenting on everything but not actually offering much fits what I expect to be the modus operandi of a newbie scum player. I think someone being mentored by Tyon would be able to pull something like this, since it's definitely a bold strategy. Props to you if I'm right haha.
Xbro (and Kalor) -
The 3 votes in succession between Kalor, Xbro and Sexy Fish. I already explained a bit of this in post #623, but basically I don't think 3 different townies changed their minds and decided to vote so close to each other in that scenario.
And by that scenario I mean kyan leading with 4 votes and Sexy Fish right behind with 3. Other wagons start to pile up while kyan's starts losing some stream. Still 3 hours away from EoD, Grizzly, strong town read player, posts and reiterates his argument in favor of kyan:
10 minutes later, Kalor, Sexy Fish and Xbro change their votes with scarcely a minute between each post. Considering the decreasing length of each vote, it's probable that no one had the time to read the other post.
We know Sexy Fish was town. I'd be very surprised if neither are scum.
Sophia -
One readlist she posted in D1 initially got my attention for being rather cautious, not going either way and just being there. I feel like Sophia can blend in really well. I weirdly can't remember a memorable stance or post by her , despite being really active and seems to help out other players elaborate on their points, like she did by checking Stuart's D1 votes.
(I hate it when others argue that I didn't leave a impression or outright say I'm being unmemorable, so I apologize for bringing up pretty much the same point against you).
Is this directed at me? If so, hmm.. how to put it...? I guess when I say someone is a blind spot for me it means that despite them potentially being memorable for whatever reason, I don't actually have a strong read town or scum on them.
That being said, I definitely did remember your day 1 prodding of me. I like being in the line of fire a little bit, so I was actually surprised how quickly that conversation seemed to pass for the two of us. I'm not certain if I should take that as a town read (as I initially did back then) or not.
Vote: Stuart444
There's something about their play that strikes me as off. As other people have mentioned, their prod votes were weak but the thing that sticks out to me is their recent vote on nin. Most of their reasons to vote nin are just echoing statements that people have already said and the post comes shortly after people talk about how Stuart hasn't really challenged anyone with their votes. It could just be town trying to adjust to the game but it could be scum adjusting to try to lower suspicion.
There's something about their play that strikes me as off. As other people have mentioned, their prod votes were weak but the thing that sticks out to me is their recent vote on nin. Most of their reasons to vote nin are just echoing statements that people have already said and the post comes shortly after people talk about how Stuart hasn't really challenged anyone with their votes. It could just be town trying to adjust to the game but it could be scum adjusting to try to lower suspicion.
how did you percieve Geno on the first day ?
i made some waves because i stepped in while bear was calling him out for role fishing. In my pov i wanted to point out that in my opinion geno was not role fishing and bear just tried to make something out of nothing. Of course we can keep discussing if it was a role fish or not. the matter of the fact is , i shared my thoughts on that matter and i got flak for it ( which is okay )
Do you agree that he was role fishing ? Do you think it was a mistake on my part to even try to invervene ?
Moving on i would also love to hear your thoughts on sophia, Bear and Brazil
See , this is where i disagree. It was more attacking you trying to put some shade into Geno ( in my pov for not that much, since i Do not share the thought that he was role fishing ) than defending him Bear.
I reacted more light skinned about what you did rather than who you did it to.
Sorry but this is just straight up false Bear. I had no interactions with him whatsoever. You can of course try to argue that i am with geno in scum chat and talked with him there but that would just come off as a bigger lie.
Your perception of something does not equal reality.
Just to make it clear one again. i shared my thoughts with this line.
then you responded
i thought that was it.
There i was intervening in order for your not to throw shade at someone for potentially nothing, shared my thoughts and in the end instead of geno being the one getting shaded it is me, nice tactic Bear i have to give it to you.
Of course i will also have to mention Brazil since you did also not agree with my POV ( which is okay, we dont have to in order to hunt scum down ) but you kept the ball rolling for bear and that is something that i just realized today.
naw man, just more like i dont want someone to get killed over nothing.
You were his main defender on D1 regardless. That's why I use the term buddy-buddy, I thought it was pretty clear you were defending Geno at that time. You seem to disagree, though.
That bolded part is grossly false. Geno was almost lynched D1, he got plenty of shade from lot of people.
Yeah that was directed to you.
The thing is I wouldn't classify you as a blind spot. I remember your posts and you're active as well and despite that I can't really pinpoint any actual argument or position. Maybe I'm contradicting myself, but that's how I feel about it.
Well, again i disagree but here we are, you have your pov and i have mine. Its okay though since i doubt we can get on the same page.
It is not since you did throw shade at him for "potential role fishing" dont try to talk your way out of it and i am very well aware that others had problems with him aswell.
But you literally said "Geno did not get shaded, I did". And now you are saying "you shaded him, and others did too".
Day 1 it was him being shaded.
Day 2 i am being shaded for the actions i did Day 1
I called you out because it was relevant to your new read about Geno. That doesn't mean I'm not shading Geno any longer.
this is my read on him
i still stand by it since i did not even share my thoughts on him on Day1.
Just because i "defended" him on Day 1 does not mean that i cannot critizize him or his way of playing.
I dont know, it just feels like we are talking in circles.
Don't try to twist the history again nin, you said more on top of that. I'm bolding the relevant parts.
That last post is here as an example of you being buddy-buddy with Geno.
That last post is here as an example of you being buddy-buddy with Geno.
I disagree since he never responded to it or got into it, but i can understand your pov, even though its wrong
About the above quotes, it is just more of me saying that you were trying to blow something small out of proportion ( which you did in my eyes )
And in all above quotes, you were saying that in the context that you were defending Geno at the same time.
And you can be buddy-buddy with Geno even if he doesn't respond to your post.
I cant....or are you implying that i am buddy buddy with him in another chat Aka Scum chat.
Okay, i think we both stated out cases,i will leave it for now in order to look at other players since this has taken a lot of time. I thank you though for explaining yourself and putting down your thoughts Bear.
i hope me not continuing this conversation does not come off as a sign of weakness, since i really think that due to this discussion a lot players can keep on coasting.
I'm implying that you can defend Geno and be friendly to him in the thread even if he doesn't answer to your posts - it can be a tactic of trying to create at least some distance.
That's fine.
Grizzly you are talking nonsense again, I never responded to him or mentioned him in any post of mine. It was only Buddy rather than Buddy-Buddy.
I think this is another semantics argument.
I do think it's pretty funny you popped up right after I called out out from disappearing. Almost as if you are reading the thread actively, but not posting.
Afternoon all, I'm going to catch up on what I missed last night once I've woken up a bit more.
No. It's not, you are criticizing me for something I never did. Also I'm not going to bother defending myself on that with saying I was busy irl and all that bullshit, if you think I was only reading and not posting then cool.
I said I had more thoughts but upon catching up everything was already stated, so I won't parrot. But I will say that my reads haven't changed, Fandorin is still scum.
You're looking at this three wrong way. My post wasn't a response to anyone else's reads. #311 was where kyan posted a very coherent post, and I was getting a solid read off him. At that point I was waiting for an opportune time to invite. That came I the form of the vote totals. It just happens that in the time I took to unvote, there were two posts that showed up.
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While I'm still uncertain of how I feel about you right now, I don't feel like you are necessarily a lynch possibility for today.
We'll see how the rest of the day plays out though.
I've taken the time to do a re-read of Fandorin since there have been new posts since my readlist.
While I did find the vote yesterday a little odd considering he said he didn't want Geno lynched, I don't really see that as a scumplay. Perhaps this is just going off of similar votes of this type that I saw in the the previous game I was in but that is my feelings on the situation right now.
As for why I currently townread him, there have been very few posts that have come off as odd or unusual to me which is what I pay the most attention to when doing reads and re-reads so I get a good idea of 'did this happen before?' or 'is this out of character?'.
Overall, his posts read very much like a townie but perhaps this is nothing more than a general gut feeling that he is town, however as of right now, I honestly don't read him as scum.
Ok, I'm back today, It looks like I've missed a bunch of Nin Posts (including the nin/geno defense post from Brazil), Stuart444 getting the scum eye, and analysis of the Sexy Fish vote.
Currently rereading the nin posts from page 8, the sweetnicole posts from page 7 and the Sophia posts from page 7 (on my rereads I try to focus on individual players to see if any contradictions exist)
Currently rereading the nin posts from page 8, the sweetnicole posts from page 7 and the Sophia posts from page 7 (on my rereads I try to focus on individual players to see if any contradictions exist)
I was actually waiting for you to come back so that I could confirm my read on you.
Pretty much your entire D2 has been on me, in a weirdly low effort way which seems odd to me. Therefore, I figure you're a vanilla town, not really worried about being wrong about your suspicions and just going with them.
I've seen scum!Geno before and I don't think he'd keep going for such a low hanging fruit like that. Especially considering the way our discussion yesterday died out after you pestered me about this single play you found so horribly stupid.
The only thing that gives me pause and prevents me from being sure on this read right now is the fact that only DCPat followed your read and expressed suspicions on me. I expected more reactions to that talking point, with some nasty scum bait sprinkled right in trying to set up my mislynch.
The fact that didn't happen, at least so far, suggests that maybe you or DCPat are the perpetrators I was looking out for.
Perhaps. You had the time to type out that post in either case, so this defense doesn't say much to me.
VOTE: Xbro
I'm fine will the 3 main lynch candidates this phase. I'm not especially scum reading nin, but I think he'd give us a lot of info.
Currently my priority is looking like this:
Xbro > Stuart444 > nin
The whole rolefishing thing from Geno was strange. I could see it going either way, but the way he reacted in his defense of it didn't make any sense. He wasn't even willing to entertain the idea that some people could see that as role fishing, despite multiple people feeling like it was. And the fact that it could go either way would make it a good move from scum since they would have plausible deniability. I don't think that you should have intervened there until Geno had already responded a little more, since you did give him cover from that for a little while.
And as for those 3 users. I feel pretty good about all 3 of them. Grizzly and Brazil have been putting in a lot of work towards helping town figure all of this out, so if they're scum, they're doing a pretty great job so far. Sophia's also been putting in work, but she hasn't left as big of an impact as those two have to me.
Fandorin, please don't drag me into your discussion with Geno. I do not know what's happening between the two of you. But my suspicion of you is based on my own analysis of your suspicious Geno vote yesterday. I asked you for an explanation and you gave it, but that doesn't mean I like it. I'm obviously still open about my opinion because it's still early and some people seem to townread you.
Yourself. By defense I meant the justification on your vote you posted.
I'm almost tempted to give nin a pass for just how hard he's double downed on his position in regards to Geno. Geno popping in right after to discuss the semantics of the situation is curious to say the least. The conspiracy theorist in me wants to say that the is all intentional, but that line of thinking probably isn't the healthiest. Regardless I still feel good about my Geno vote- I still think that if he's scum the votes from yesterday could elucidate a lot, and now we've got this whole nin situation.
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==== DAY 2 VOTES ====
Day Start
xbro (2 votes)
grizzly - #566
stuart444 - #610 #639
fandorin - #732
stuart444 (2 votes)
brazil - #631
kalor - #701
nin (2 votes)
stuart444 - #542 #608
sweetnicole - #544
stuart444 - #674
fandorin (1 votes)
geno - #501
empressdonna (1 votes)
nin - #554
geno (1 votes)
apollo - #551
zippedpinhead[/vote] (0 votes)
empressdonna - #657 #658
sophia (0 votes)
stuart444 - #487 #505
zippedpinhead (0 votes)
empressdonna - #658 #728
Post Counts:
grizzly: 40 nin: 31 geno: 25 brazil: 23 stuart444: 19 sophia: 16 ketkat: 13 dcpat: 13 fandorin: 13 empressdonna: 12 kalor: 12 zippedpinhead: 12 apollo: 11 kyanrute: 11 sweetnicole: 10 xbro: 8 faddy: 4
Click here to go to the Vote Tool!
With 16 players alive the majority is 9
6 hours until the deadline!
Day Start
xbro (2 votes)
grizzly - #566
fandorin - #732
stuart444 (2 votes)
brazil - #631
kalor - #701
nin (2 votes)
sweetnicole - #544
stuart444 - #674
fandorin (1 votes)
geno - #501
empressdonna (1 votes)
nin - #554
geno (1 votes)
apollo - #551
zippedpinhead[/vote] (0 votes)
sophia (0 votes)
zippedpinhead (0 votes)
Post Counts:
grizzly: 40 nin: 31 geno: 25 brazil: 23 stuart444: 19 sophia: 16 ketkat: 13 dcpat: 13 fandorin: 13 empressdonna: 12 kalor: 12 zippedpinhead: 12 apollo: 11 kyanrute: 11 sweetnicole: 10 xbro: 8 faddy: 4
Click here to go to the Vote Tool!
With 16 players alive the majority is 9
6 hours until the deadline!
Went back to look for the Geno votes yesterday and found a great comment by a great communist
that reminded me that comrade Royal was not the only worker to ask this kind of questions! Comrade Zipped did it too, but he was less enthusiastic about it imo. Dropped and left there, hints of copypasta from the capitalist discussion. Though comrade Zipp'd can counter this with ease via "General Secretary Faddy confirmed the party position on such questions and the matter was settled."
that reminded me that comrade Royal was not the only worker to ask this kind of questions! Comrade Zipped did it too, but he was less enthusiastic about it imo. Dropped and left there, hints of copypasta from the capitalist discussion. Though comrade Zipp'd can counter this with ease via "General Secretary Faddy confirmed the party position on such questions and the matter was settled."
re: nin and Grizzly conversation
This is accurate. You definitely don't need to have someone respond to your posts to be buddy-buddy.
There was some defense of Geno from nin yesteday, although they never really interacted with each other. That being said, I'm not super scum reading Geno right now so I wouldn't say that defense with a degree of separation is alignment indicative right now.
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I find it strange that Stuart444 isn't here defending themselves ardently. Surely, at this point, you know that you're going to be a prime lynch candidate going into the final hours. Why are they not trying to point out other scum? Why are they not responding to people's votes and trying to defend themselves at all? I find this baffling.
Also, while I'm still leaning suspicious/scum on nin, I'm going to place my vote for now on my top candidate today: Stuart444.
VOTE: Stuart444
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So, would it suffice to say you're not going to be satisfied with this event until you've lynched both Xbro and Kalor? I'll admit, if that's your only reasoning for voting for someone today, I find that some weak logic for voting. Looking at the history of previous games, which Brazil mentioned before, it tends to be NAI. Don't get me wrong, I'm suspicious about it, same as you, but I'd like to see a more formed reason for voting for someone beyond "voted and unvoted at the same time."
This is accurate. You definitely don't need to have someone respond to your posts to be buddy-buddy.
There was some defense of Geno from nin yesteday, although they never really interacted with each other. That being said, I'm not super scum reading Geno right now so I wouldn't say that defense with a degree of separation is alignment indicative right now.
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I find it strange that Stuart444 isn't here defending themselves ardently. Surely, at this point, you know that you're going to be a prime lynch candidate going into the final hours. Why are they not trying to point out other scum? Why are they not responding to people's votes and trying to defend themselves at all? I find this baffling.
Also, while I'm still leaning suspicious/scum on nin, I'm going to place my vote for now on my top candidate today: Stuart444.
VOTE: Stuart444
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So, would it suffice to say you're not going to be satisfied with this event until you've lynched both Xbro and Kalor? I'll admit, if that's your only reasoning for voting for someone today, I find that some weak logic for voting. Looking at the history of previous games, which Brazil mentioned before, it tends to be NAI. Don't get me wrong, I'm suspicious about it, same as you, but I'd like to see a more formed reason for voting for someone beyond "voted and unvoted at the same time."
I literally just woke up (yes. it's after 4pm here and I just woke up. :( ) and trying to both wake up a little more and catch up.
Are you actually going to interact with these people you want to hear more from? All you've done is say "I want to hear from them" and then tossed a vote Stuart's way a few hours later.
It's like you're taking great steps not to actually interact or pressure anyone when we all know you're perfectly capable of doing so. A lot of things that can be said about Stuart's play and passivity can, to a certain extent, be said about you as well. nin, xbro, sophia, zipped and apollo have all been here engaging in discussion and back and forth, yet you haven't asked them any questions or pressured them in any ways. Why not, if you're curious about them?
Hell, your last post with serious substance was defending mechanics talk, and all you really had before that was mechanics talk too or defending your mechanics talk...
Man, looking back to your content so far today, you're jumping towards the top of my possible scum list. I don't like your play today one bit.
Comrade Xbro, the "last thing Geno said toward Kyan", is it referring Geno's comment about #311? Because if it is, I have a problem with that...
...because in this case, your comment about how your Geno vote was independent from the opinions of other workers seems odd. You got a coherent communist read of comrade Kyan via #311. When comrade Geno did not respond to #311 in the same manner, you seem to have used that as a major reason for voting for him. In other words, your mentioned reason for voting comrade Geno was that your reads of me differed, not that he felt like a capitalist to you.
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