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Geno

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 29, 2017
9,812
Thessaloniki
I couldn't afford not to make this, due to easter and time zones I won't be here the final hour, thus I won't see if he survives or not and the chances of him surviving are high. I'm sorry guys but I had to.
 

Kalor

Resettlement Advisor
Member
Oct 25, 2017
19,631
Genos play is so questionable that it almost makes me lean towards him being town. I just don't understand why he would claim, either as town or scum. Stuart was still the clear leader and while momentum might have changed with the vote, all he had to do was cast doubt on his claim. Not revealing who he targeted it weird as well. There's no reason to hide that.

Then as Apollo just said, we also had a lookout.
 

Xbro

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,105
Comrade Xbro, the "last thing Geno said toward Kyan", is it referring Geno's comment about #311? Because if it is, I have a problem with that...



...because in this case, your comment about how your Geno vote was independent from the opinions of other workers seems odd. You got a coherent communist read of comrade Kyan via #311. When comrade Geno did not respond to #311 in the same manner, you seem to have used that as a major reason for voting for him. In other words, your mentioned reason for voting comrade Geno was that your reads of me differed, not that he felt like a capitalist to you.

Actually, at the time of the post I was referring to post #360. I'm on mobile, so it's hard to pull up, but that one in particular was where he said he would tunnel you until you were dead.

Scum:

Xbro: Coasting. Not even at 10 posts hours before the deadline
Nin: Already explained
Kalor: Gut feeling
Fandorin: Not been too active. Drops in periodically to seem active. Hasn't contributed much at all.

Lean Scum:

empressdonna: Coasting. Weak votes and weak reasoning
geno: Gut feeling again. His activity during this day phase just makes him feel scummy.
Apollo: Not been too active but active enough I can't say full on scum
Zipped: I don't even remember any posts from him. He's been that forgetful that I'm just leaning scum with him.

Neutral:

Kyan: Posting style throws me off but I'm enjoying it enough that I'm willing to put him on neutral. Nothing scummy out of him but nothing too towny I think.
dcpat: No read still on him. Might do a reread if I'm still around after today

Lean Town:

Ketkat: Feels towny enough but my gut tells me not to put them in full Town

Town:

Brazil: Every post has felt towny to me
Sweetnicole: Not as active as others but when she is active, she usually makes good informative posts and is good at pressuring people including myself. Feels very town to me.
Grizzly: Again, every post has felt towny to me. Good at scum hunting and good at challenging people.

There we go.
So in your reads, what's the difference between the two coasting reads? Other than the fact that one is only a lean? Is it just that my vote is easier to hang?

A lot of this list feels like you're going in on safe bets and hanging back on harder ones.
- Xbro; Is also somebody I have no problem lynching. His day 1 started out with the mechanics talks. I don't see that as a big problem. He was also on the people suspecting Kyan for the way he was posting. Which is a thing I disliked. His unvote was easy, but understandable from a scum and town pov. Don't like his unvote at day end to avoid a tie. If I was in that position with the same concern I would change my vote from Geno to Fish, not unvote. One switch from Fish to Geno would've made it a tie with 6-4. Also he contributed to a fish lynch this way without committing to it. Coasting today.

As far as not going in on fish goes, I was uncertain on whether or not fish was scum. If fish flipped scum, how incriminating would that have looked if I changed my vote at the last minute to him?
 

Kalor

Resettlement Advisor
Member
Oct 25, 2017
19,631
I couldn't afford not to make this, due to easter and time zones I won't be here the final hour, thus I won't see if he survives or not and the chances of him surviving are high. I'm sorry guys but I had to.

Do you have a range limit or target tokens? I'd understand if you didn't want to answer but as long as you don't reveal your own token, I think it's okay to confirm this.
 

Stuart444

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,073
That doesn't answer my question, with swapping tokens and no board updates you have to have an established way to determine who you could have scanned and who you could not scan. These gamerunners are better than that.

Nope, I had no way of knowing if my scan would be a success. I had to use the map from the start of D1. Pick a token and scan it that was within my range.
 

Stuart444

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,073
So in your reads, what's the difference between the two coasting reads? Other than the fact that one is only a lean? Is it just that my vote is easier to hang?

I went easy on empressdonna. I watched her during sneakers and her play style is similar. I assume it's very very unlikely that she would get scum 2 games in a row so I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt but I won't discount the possibility of her being scum so I put her under lean.
 

The Bear

Forest Animal
Moderator
Oct 25, 2017
4,201
I don't believe Stuart's claim at all, even without Geno coming in.

This does put that Kalor/Donna votes to interesting light now. Were one or both of them set up in advance, so that Xbro train would be viable option if everyone believed Stuart's claim?
 

Brazil

Actual Brazilian
Member
Oct 24, 2017
18,438
São Paulo, Brazil
I don't believe Stuart's claim at all, even without Geno coming in.

This does put that Kalor/Donna votes to interesting light now. Were one or both of them set up in advance, so that Xbro train would be viable option if everyone believed Stuart's claim?
I don't believe it either on the simple basis of what are the odds (1/17, I know).

Both empressdonna and Kalor voted for Sexy Fish on D1. That's also something.
 

Android Sophia

The Absolute Sword
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
6,123
wtf target tokens and not players.

Just for clarification, you're saying wtf at Stuart right?

I went easy on empressdonna. I watched her during sneakers and her play style is similar. I assume it's very very unlikely that she would get scum 2 games in a row so I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt but I won't discount the possibility of her being scum so I put her under lean.

That's not how probability works, lol. Just ask Kyan.
 

Xbro

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,105
Since I still seem to be on the chopping block. I'll claim the role I am

I am an alignment cop. I am able to check a token who is either 12 spaces behind me or 12 spaces in front of me. It returns to me the alignment of the token.

On Night 1, I checked Rocking Horse. It revealed to me that they were town. I had no idea it was RF until the day started and he was dead.

I will also reveal my token upon request though you can understand why I would rather not as it would make me an easy target.
What would be the point of an assignment cop where you can't see who it is you're targeting?
 

Kalor

Resettlement Advisor
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Oct 25, 2017
19,631
So, both of them are claiming a range and that they target tokens. I was hoping for a difference to try to figure this out.
 
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Faddy

Faddy

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Oct 25, 2017
9,156
==== DAY 2 VOTES ====
Day Start

stuart444 (5 votes)
brazil - #631 #855
kalor - #701 #854
sweetnicole - #741
grizzly - #744
sophia - #774 #877
geno - #811
dcpat - #839
zippedpinhead - #848

xbro (3 votes)
grizzly - #566 #744
stuart444 - #610 #639
fandorin - #732
kalor - #854
empressdonna - #856

fandorin (1 votes)
geno - #501 #811
kyanrute - #835

empressdonna (1 votes)
nin - #554

geno (1 votes)
apollo - #551

nin (1 votes)
stuart444 - #542 #608
sweetnicole - #544 #741
stuart444 - #674
empressdonna - #748 #856

grizzly (0 votes)
kyanrute - #770 #835

zippedpinhead[/vote] (0 votes)
empressdonna - #657 #658

sophia (0 votes)
stuart444 - #487 #505

zippedpinhead (0 votes)
empressdonna - #658 #728

Post Counts:
grizzly: 58 stuart444: 40 geno: 39 kyanrute: 38 brazil: 37 nin: 33 sophia: 30 kalor: 24 apollo: 23 fandorin: 21 sweetnicole: 20 dcpat: 20 empressdonna: 19 zippedpinhead: 18 ketkat: 16 xbro: 13 faddy: 7

Click here to go to the Vote Tool!


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With 16 players alive the majority is 9

Less than 1 hour until the deadline!
 

Stuart444

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,073
Your defeatist attitude does not exactly make you seem more town.

I don't think that makes me seem town or scum. When half or more suspect you or have voted for you and you can see that nothing will change their mind. Having a defeatist attitude is natural for some people.

Others hide their defeatist attitude by not posting.

I am not one of those people. I shall post until the end!
 

Xbro

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,105
Actually Geno why would you have a range of you target players? Wouldn't that require you knowing who is what token?
 

The Bear

Forest Animal
Moderator
Oct 25, 2017
4,201
I don't think that makes me seem town or scum. When half or more suspect you or have voted for you and you can see that nothing will change their mind. Having a defeatist attitude is natural for some people.

Others hide their defeatist attitude by not posting.

I am not one of those people. I shall post until the end!

I mean, if you were town, surely you would have called out the person who was counter claiming you. Now you just ignored all that in all of your posts.
 

Zippedpinhead

Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,749
Nope, I had no way of knowing if my scan would be a success. I had to use the map from the start of D1. Pick a token and scan it that was within my range.
But you targetted a token, right? not a space.

What were your results? some sort of verbiage preferably. did you get a town result? did it say proletariat? Did you ask what kind of result your would get (or lack there of) if your token target got moved out of range?
 

SweetNicole

The Old Guard
Member
Oct 24, 2017
6,542
For clarification sake: I don't believe the veracity of Stuart's claim after his outright scummy post ("will or won't I post a read list?") earlier and his other actions.

And his target is conveniently dead...

He's also completely ignored Geno's counter claim...
 

Brazil

Actual Brazilian
Member
Oct 24, 2017
18,438
São Paulo, Brazil
Lynch Stuart444. If he's telling the truth, lynch Geno tomorrow and nin the day after ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
If he's lying, lynch empressdonna tomorrow.
Either way, two scum down in three days at most!

Is what I'm telling myself to keep a level head.
 

Stuart444

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,073
I mean, if you were town, surely you would have called out the person who was counter claiming you. Now you just ignored all that in all of your posts.

No need to do that. He wasn't giving much info at all. Not even who he scanned.

by any stretch of the imagination, if he was town, he should have said who he scanned. He didn't. Thus people should be skeptical of him regardless of what happens to me.
 

Kalor

Resettlement Advisor
Member
Oct 25, 2017
19,631
Unvote

I don't see xbro being lynched today. It'll probably be Stuart or Geno so I'll think about it. I'll probably vote for Stuart but don't want to vote right now with us so close to majority.

Geno said he wouldn't be here for the last hour.
 

Ketkat

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
4,727
No need to do that. He wasn't giving much info at all. Not even who he scanned.

by any stretch of the imagination, if he was town, he should have said who he scanned. He didn't. Thus people should be skeptical of him regardless of what happens to me.

That's not really how we're seeing it. Geno had no reason to come forward with that because people were already doubting your claim, and if you end up lynched and innocent it just puts him in the spotlight. Its a massive risk for him, while your claim was to save yourself
 

Kyanrute

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,629
Tomato
Comrade Stuart. Why would comrade Geno counterclaim you if he is a capitalist and you are what you claim to be?
 

Stuart444

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,073
That's not really how we're seeing it. Geno had no reason to come forward with that because people were already doubting your claim, and if you end up lynched and innocent it just puts him in the spotlight. Its a massive risk for him, while your claim was to save yourself

He had one strong reason to come forward. If I got lynched and he tried to claim cop later on. He would look far more suspicious than he wants to be.
 

Stuart444

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,073
Comrade Stuart. Why would comrade Geno counterclaim you if he is a capitalist and you are what you claim to be?

For the reason posted above. He wants to make sure his cop claim is put down earlier otherwise people would be asking "Why didn't you claim cop or use your cop power to help town earlier in the game, especially when Stuart claimed cop?"

or something like that.
 

Xbro

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,105
For the reason posted above. He wants to make sure his cop claim is put down earlier otherwise people would be asking "Why didn't you claim cop or use your cop power to help town earlier in the game, especially when Stuart claimed cop?"

or something like that.
No, cop has a very good reason not to claim.
 
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