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Bricks

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The comments about the Bombshell is a good reminder how messed up people are living in their realities.

LOL, this reminds me of a 'sexy' image I stumbled upon some time ago:
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Followed by this:
I love everything about this picture. The body proportions are just perfect across the board.
I mean, if that's your thing, buddy, sure, I won't judge. But then...
Okay, I'm not sure I want to live in this individual's world. I would probably be a bit creeped out by its inhabitants XD
 

esserius

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I feel like I've seen some weird shit before, but somehow Uma Musume is just... I don't even know how to describe it. A trainwreck that crashed into a burning and crumbling condominium?

It's about idol horse girls... who are treated like horses.

...
 

Asbsand

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I'm curious as to what people who engage a lot in this debate think about the BioWare 180 between Mass Effect 3 and their recent titles. They used to introduce more and more supermodel sexy companion characters, particularly women, in their early EA days such as Mass Effect 2, Dragon Age II and Mass Effect 3, and by ME3 they even took previously benign character designs of female companions and gave them these model skirt armor, more makeup and bigger boobs. However, in Dragon Age Inquisition and especially Andromeda there would even be outcry over how they deliberately made the feature cast look "ugly". Here's a few screenshots for those not in the know of the typical examples.

Dragon Age 2
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Big rack -- even her writer hated that which wasn't how she described her in text.
Dragon Age Inquisition & Andromeda
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In some leaks and reports employees from within BioWare have said there's a culture of "corporate political correctness" when it comes to creating female characters where quote-unquote: they don't want to make them look too attractive or unrealistic.

Personally I'm okay with them being inclusive to more average looking women so it's not just an A-list cast of the biggest top models (like, if you compare it to a big budget movie or shows like LOST, it's similar), but I do think there IS a room for women that people consider to be smoking hot, like the Yvonne Strahovski design for Miranda in Mass Effect Trilogy and Uncharted 2's Chloe Frazer. I don't think being inclusive to what is currently considered the ideal photomodel look is wrong, but exclusively featuring that does have an effect on society if that's all you see. Again, I like the more average looks here in recent games but I do think it's a shame that it has to be a corporate move in most cases. Now they CAN'T do a Miranda as in ME2 because there's a corporate mandate that says "Ooh, too risky, controversial, nono!" and it shouldn't be that IMO.
 

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I'm curious as to what people who engage a lot in this debate think about the BioWare 180 between Mass Effect 3 and their recent titles. They used to introduce more and more supermodel sexy companion characters, particularly women, in their early EA days such as Mass Effect 2, Dragon Age II and Mass Effect 3, and by ME3 they even took previously benign character designs of female companions and gave them these model skirt armor, more makeup and bigger boobs. However, in Dragon Age Inquisition and especially Andromeda there would even be outcry over how they deliberately made the feature cast look "ugly". Here's a few screenshots for those not in the know of the typical examples.





In some leaks and reports employees from within BioWare have said there's a culture of "corporate political correctness" when it comes to creating female characters where quote-unquote: they don't want to make them look too attractive or unrealistic.

Personally I'm okay with them being inclusive to more average looking women so it's not just an A-list cast of the biggest top models (like, if you compare it to a big budget movie or shows like LOST, it's similar), but I do think there IS a room for women that people consider to be smoking hot, like the Yvonne Strahovski design for Miranda in Mass Effect Trilogy and Uncharted 2's Chloe Frazer. I don't think being inclusive to what is currently considered the ideal photomodel look is wrong, but exclusively featuring that does have an effect on society if that's all you see. Again, I like the more average looks here in recent games but I do think it's a shame that it has to be a corporate move in most cases. Now they CAN'T do a Miranda as in ME2 because there's a corporate mandate that says "Ooh, too risky, controversial, nono!" and it shouldn't be that IMO.

You've pointed to Sera and default FemRyder rather than other characters in those games who may be considered "conventionally attractive". The middle ground you describe can be found in characters like Cassandra, Vivienne, Cora or any number of custom FemRyders. I feel like you're cherrypicking here.

Actually one thing to note is that screenshot of Bethany Hawke is when Varric is describing a much more dramatic series of events (i.e. he's making it up) during the intro. Once he's called out on it and forced to tell the truth, she's far less well endowed in the game proper. She doesn't look like that in the rest of the game.
 

Quacktion

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I'm not sure if this has been posted before as it is a bit old, but it is an interesting read (there is some nudity):

NSFW: A visual history of Shelly "Bombshell" Harrison - http://steamcommunity.com/games/562860/announcements/detail/1676902239539040353

LMAO that thread looks like someone's personal porn collection rather than concept art.

Basically they show some hyper sexualized design from the mid and late 90s when the character was first imagined and how it changed over the years and eventually became this:

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To be honest this design is one of the most generic ones I've ever seen for what is supposed to be the main character, I feel like they ware onto something with the 2015 designs with the robot arm, just needed more refinement.
 
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I feel like I've seen some weird shit before, but somehow Uma Musume is just... I don't even know how to describe it. A trainwreck that crashed into a burning and crumbling condominium?

It's about idol horse girls... who are treated like horses.

...

It's pretty much just a track team anime though. Take away the ears and tail and there's no difference. It's not like there's inequality with the horse girls.
 

Twig

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TBH unless they kill one of the horses because they underperform one too many times I don't even see the point.

I'm only mostly joking.

Horse racing is fucked up.
 

SolidSnakex

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I'm curious as to what people who engage a lot in this debate think about the BioWare 180 between Mass Effect 3 and their recent titles. They used to introduce more and more supermodel sexy companion characters, particularly women, in their early EA days such as Mass Effect 2, Dragon Age II and Mass Effect 3, and by ME3 they even took previously benign character designs of female companions and gave them these model skirt armor, more makeup and bigger boobs. However, in Dragon Age Inquisition and especially Andromeda there would even be outcry over how they deliberately made the feature cast look "ugly". Here's a few screenshots for those not in the know of the typical examples.





In some leaks and reports employees from within BioWare have said there's a culture of "corporate political correctness" when it comes to creating female characters where quote-unquote: they don't want to make them look too attractive or unrealistic.

Personally I'm okay with them being inclusive to more average looking women so it's not just an A-list cast of the biggest top models (like, if you compare it to a big budget movie or shows like LOST, it's similar), but I do think there IS a room for women that people consider to be smoking hot, like the Yvonne Strahovski design for Miranda in Mass Effect Trilogy and Uncharted 2's Chloe Frazer. I don't think being inclusive to what is currently considered the ideal photomodel look is wrong, but exclusively featuring that does have an effect on society if that's all you see. Again, I like the more average looks here in recent games but I do think it's a shame that it has to be a corporate move in most cases. Now they CAN'T do a Miranda as in ME2 because there's a corporate mandate that says "Ooh, too risky, controversial, nono!" and it shouldn't be that IMO.

Where the hell did the idea of attractive female characters being controversial even come from? In all the talks about female representation in gaming, I honestly have never seen that be brought up as some sort of negative. Like ND is generally seen as having perhaps the best female representation, yet they're all attractive. So, if Bioware is doing that then it just comes across as them creating an unnecessary obstacle. With that said, they make RPG's so obviously you should have a wide variety of characters in terms of appearance.
 

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Where the hell did the idea of attractive female characters being controversial even come from? In all the talks about female representation in gaming, I honestly have never seen that be brought up as some sort of negative. Like ND is generally seen as having perhaps the best female representation, yet they're all attractive. So, if Bioware is doing that then it just comes across as them creating an unnecessary obstacle. With that said, they make RPG's so obviously you should have a wide variety of characters in terms of appearance.
ehh, ive seen it used a few times. Not a very popular argument relative to the issues, but it exists to a degree. This is not a comment on whether I agree or not though
 

Asbsand

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Cassandra, Vivienne, Cora or any number of custom FemRyders. I feel like you're cherrypicking here.
I personally find Sera and Cassandra to look attractive. Cora not so much lol but that's just my taste.

But actually, Cassandra was often used as an example in topics about DAI for the whole "Why are none of them attractive!?" criticism, and frankly, I do see it as far as her age, hairstyle and somewhat bulky jaw is concerned. I do actually feel like the "traditional, good-looking love interest" characters don't come without some kind of catch whether it's Cora's flashy stylist hair or Cassandra's big grim scar.

As I said though, I think they're more average looking than "ugly" and I think I might prefer that to the collection of supermodels of earlier games because while it's all stylized anyway I couldn't help but think that made those games feel cheesy at times but Inquisition had more of a "Game of Thrones" sort of edge to it.
 

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I personally find Sera and Cassandra to look attractive. Cora not so much lol but that's just my taste.

But actually, Cassandra was often used as an example in topics about DAI for the whole "Why are none of them attractive!?" criticism, and frankly, I do see it as far as her age, hairstyle and somewhat bulky jaw is concerned. I do actually feel like the "traditional, good-looking love interest" characters don't come without some kind of catch whether it's Cora's flashy stylist hair or Cassandra's big grim scar.

As I said though, I think they're more average looking than "ugly" and I think I might prefer that to the collection of supermodels of earlier games because while it's all stylized anyway I couldn't help but think that made those games feel cheesy at times but Inquisition had more of a "Game of Thrones" sort of edge to it.

Bioware's always been a bit inconsistent with female character designs, and I think I talked about this way earlier in the thread. Like you said, the change from professional and sensible ME1/2 to skin-tight ME3 Ashley isn't great. But even as far as DA2 you get the whole spectrum from sexualised to non-sexualised, from Isabella to Merrill and Aveline. The difference with them is their designs broadly fit their character and personalities. I can't really criticise any squad member designs in DAI or Andromeda though, everyone's wearing what they should, so to speak.

And I wasn't really calling Sera an unattractive character, more that her rough and downtrodden design contrasts with the rest of the cast, which is refreshing and appropriate to her background role.
 

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I feel like I've seen some weird shit before, but somehow Uma Musume is just... I don't even know how to describe it. A trainwreck that crashed into a burning and crumbling condominium?

It's about idol horse girls... who are treated like horses.

...

Well, it's a anime based on a mobile game by Cygames (that are also in the committee funding it) that will be launched later and is basically that, so it's basically a cross media.
 
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Then make it about girls at a track meet. What's the purpose of turning people into livestock?

They're not livestock though. They go to school alongside non horse girls, they have the same rights as normal humans, etc. It has a theme of anthropomorphism because it's an interesting concept and that's it. It's really not any deeper than that.
 

neon/drifter

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Totes agree. Male here.

I actively screen games and don't buy anything that has sexualized female characters. Sometimes it cuts me off from some great games but hey, it's what I believe in, and I speak with my wallet.
 

Dary

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I like that these "horse girls" are just girls with headband ears and tails. You'd think maybe centaurs, or maybe some kind of equine Thundercats, but no: just normal girls with (marketable!) accessories.
 

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Then make it about girls at a track meet. What's the purpose of turning people into livestock?

Because they're like that in the mobile game, just like in the design and other features. Like I said, it's a promotion of the future game by Cygames, that's why PA Works picked the elements of it in the game and created a story for a anime.

That's the entire motive for why they're horse girls and not normal girls doing track meet.

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Mezentine

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The Horse girl thing is only skeevy to me because I don't think I've seen any suggestion that there are horse boys as well. As soon as your anthropomorphization is so heavily gendered like that it immedietly gets a suspicious glance from me, because there aren't a lot of good motivations, IMO, to "I don't want to see any boys. Only girls"
 

DragonKeeper

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They're not livestock though. They go to school alongside non horse girls, they have the same rights as normal humans, etc. It has a theme of anthropomorphism because it's an interesting concept and that's it. It's really not any deeper than that.
They are livestock by virtue of being "horse" girls. It's a simple association that says some really dumb things. Do regular humans race them too or is this a segregation thing? Do horse girls only get to run or do they have other career options? Are there horse boys? I like anthropomorphized characters, but is this usage a sort of exotic diversity thing or is it just a fetish? Also, why are they dressed like that when running?
 

caliph95

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They are livestock by virtue of being "horse" girls. It's a simple association that says some really dumb things. Do regular humans race them too or is this a segregation thing? Do horse girls only get to run or do they have other career options? Are there horse boys? I like anthropomorphized characters, but is this usage a sort of exotic diversity thing or is it just a fetish?
I think it was just supposed to be a dumb "fun" phone game that just got turned into anime

you're putting way too much thought than the studios did
 
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They are livestock by virtue of being "horse" girls. It's a simple association that says some really dumb things. Do regular humans race them too or is this a segregation thing? Do horse girls only get to run or do they have other career options? Are there horse boys? I like anthropomorphized characters, but is this usage a sort of exotic diversity thing or is it just a fetish? Also, why are they dressed like that when running?

Horse girls can do whatever they want. You see business horse girls too that have nothing to do with racing.

There's no horse boys because it's a parallel world or something where race horses from our world reincarnate into girls from that one.

Yeah, it's dumb, but it's just exotic 10% furry anthropomorphism. Actually taking issue with it on an ideological level is the equivalent of taking issue with Pokémon and calling it a "Michael Vick simulator".

It's really not that deep, it's a dumb phone game.
 
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