AdrianG4

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You'll find that more nazis will support you/your product when you're a racist conservative.
 

Thisman

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That's a strange leap in logic. As far as business goes, yeah, these protests did hurt the NFL. Could be for racism, I dunno, but Papa Johns had a massive deal with the NFL so it makes sense that he'd cite that as a reason for declining sales.

It's very likely that Papa Johns is just suffering due to competition but who really knows.

Also, the endorsement from the racists is trolling. They claimed the WSJ as their favorite news site over the PewDiePie thing.

This is actually very common sense

Papa johns does have a special business deal with nfl that others don't have from what I have seen. Papa johns especially pushes that deal in adverts. When the popularity of nfl has gone down, so has the papa Johns useage because ad revenue was rising with the nfl deal and also falling with the nfl viewership being down. People let their emotions override the logical interpretation of raw data which might support this argument
 

TheMirai

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Giving myself explosive, chronic diarrhea to own the liberals. Like an alpha male.
 

alphacat

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Sure thing buddy
  1. Tomato-sauce-on-cardboard slanger complains about poor sales, links them directly to NFL protesters
  2. NFL protesters are 99.9% black men
  3. NFL protesters are protesting about police brutality against black people
Your whole entire ass is showing, my friend - white, bright and pretty, like Conway Twitty.

I do see a good point there, but your insult undermines it.
 
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This is actually very common sense

Papa johns does have a special business deal with nfl that others don't have from what I have seen. Papa johns especially pushes that deal in adverts. When the popularity of nfl has gone down, so has the papa Johns useage because ad revenue was rising with the nfl deal and also falling with the nfl viewership being down. People let their emotions override the logical interpretation of raw data which might support this argument

I know it was unforseen that Papa's tie-in to the NFL is hurting him, but man-up and bring some positives to the party Papa, not whine about the fact people are reacting to being treated poorly...
 

Zubz

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This is actually very common sense

Papa johns does have a special business deal with nfl that others don't have from what I have seen. Papa johns especially pushes that deal in adverts. When the popularity of nfl has gone down, so has the papa Johns useage because ad revenue was rising with the nfl deal and also falling with the nfl viewership being down. People let their emotions override the logical interpretation of raw data which might support this argument

1.) If he looks like a racist, & sounds like a racist, & is outwardly a racist, & is the owner of the pizza chain that a prominent racially-motivated hate group identifies as their go-to chain, I think we have reasons to believe that Papa John himself is willing to jump to the conclusion this is racially-motivated. That's an issue in & of itself. He's also horrible towards his employees, which is another issue we should be discussing.

2.) Even if his sales are tied to the NFL, there are a number of reasons their viewership is down. Cord cutters, confusing schedules, lack of interest, etc. It's been going down for years, & making black protests a controversy is a recent last-ditch effort to address that problem. Papa John's deserves blame for jumping onto the sinking ship & for blaming the same scapegoat instead of addressing the long-standing reasons it's sinking instead.

3.) Seriousness aside, what Papa John did to pizza should be a crime. This is the most logical reason for declining sales, IMO, & the one that would be easiest for the company to address. But apparently it's easier to blame the 1st Amendment than to compete in the business world nowadays.

In what world is sbarros even an option?

I guess there are fans for everything on the internet.

There are fans for everything. Especially when the thing's good, Hateradio.
 

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This timeline is the dumbest, I want off.
Yesterday, I get asked: "hey, did you hear that Papa John's told Nazis to stop buying its' pizza after Papa John criticized NFL players for taking a knee during the national anthem for why sales are down?"

That sentence reads like the Family Guy manatees put it together.

This is the dumbest fucking timeline.
 

Kewlmyc

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What'a decent pizza chain that's available everywhere?

If you say Pizza Hut, you're a liar.
 

Man God

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The best national chain pizzas are Dominos and Little Caesars and neither are what I'd call good.
 

brotherbean

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What'a decent pizza chain that's available everywhere?

If you say Pizza Hut, you're a liar.

Dominos, post re-do. I never liked them before but they've updated some things in the last couple of years and I've ranked them at the top of the fast food pizza list ever since.

Pizza Hut was ok when I was a kid, but my adult taste buds aren't falling for that shit any more.
 

someday

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This is actually very common sense

Papa johns does have a special business deal with nfl that others don't have from what I have seen. Papa johns especially pushes that deal in adverts. When the popularity of nfl has gone down, so has the papa Johns useage because ad revenue was rising with the nfl deal and also falling with the nfl viewership being down. People let their emotions override the logical interpretation of raw data which might support this argument

The problem is that he blames the players for this and not the shitty way the owners have handled it. The NAACP threatened a boycott before the season started over their treatment of Kaepernick, and while i don't know where that stands today, it does show that there has been frustration on "both sides" of the issue. Football is usually my favorite sport but I just haven't felt much desire to get into it this season due to disgust over the racists being more upset about players kneeling than why these black men feel that they need to kneel.

So basically, I understand that this pizza man is upset about his profits, but it's still ridiculous that the blame is on the players' protests and not on the awful way the owners and even the president have chosen to deal with it.
 

Turbo Tu-Tone

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He didn't actually do that, people just claimed him complaining about the protests meant that. Making Papa John's out to be racist because of that is just a stretch but it's not surprising, people love to find new things to complain about.
If it wasn't about race, why did White Supremacists endorse his pizza immediately following his comments? What did they read into that prompted them, the cancerous shitheels, to come to Papa Jackoff's aid?

Are you not at all familiar with the concept of dogwhistling?
 

gutter_trash

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Oct 26, 2017
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there is a lesson to be learned for business owners when they side too closely with one political party then gets embraced by their worst supporters.

he brought on himself by being so vocal
 

riotous

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The problem is that he blames the players for this and not the shitty way the owners have handled it. .

Here's the full quote:

Now, to the NFL, the NFL is hurting, and more importantly by not resolving the current debacle to the player and owner's satisfaction, NFL leadership has hurt Papa John's shareholders. Let me explain. The NFL has been a long and valued partner over the years, but we are certainly disappointed that the NFL and its leadership did not resolve the ongoing situation to the satisfaction of all parties long ago. This should have been nipped in the bud a year-and-a-half ago. Like many sponsors, we are in contact with NFL, and once the issue's resolved between the players and the owners, we are optimistic that the NFL's best years are ahead. For good or bad, leadership starts at the top, and this is an example of poor leadership.

From here: https://seekingalpha.com/article/41...-2017-results-earnings-call-transcript?page=3

NFL ratings are in fact, down, and this is due to the protests since this country is full of racist assholes.

People have claimed they are protesting NFL sponsors, and Papa Johns is one of the most visible.

It's actually logical to suggest the controversy has affected Papa Johns.

Without a resolution to the controversy, unfortunately in this country, that will probably continue.

Now based on past actions and things he's said, do I SUSPECT Papa John is the type of dude who gets angry at black men protesting? Yes. Are his comments in support of the players and their protest? No. But is it logical to suggest the protest has affected their sales? I think so, certainly from a business perspective.

I think the only thing actually "wrong" with what he said was acting like this is something the NFL can and should "solve"; but that's actually not unreasonable from a business person's perspective totally removing any opinion of what is going on. Beyond that he pretty clearly "blames" the NFL leadership, which includes the owners since it's basically a big cooperative.
 

DinosaurusRex

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"Don't buy our pizza nazis" *wink wink*

"Those "ungrateful black" NFL players should stand like patriots or be fired" *wink wink*
 

Cipherr

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Next person to diss Sbarro is gonna have me coming for their neck. Leave my childhood happy memories of mall pizza intact please. I don't care if I only liked it because I couldnt tell it was trash, I have yet to try it as an adult so as far as my memory is concerned its delicious, with slices the size of a continent.
 

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Here's the full quote:



From here: https://seekingalpha.com/article/41...-2017-results-earnings-call-transcript?page=3

NFL ratings are in fact, down, and this is due to the protests since this country is full of racist assholes.

People have claimed they are protesting NFL sponsors, and Papa Johns is one of the most visible.

It's actually logical to suggest the controversy has affected Papa Johns.

Without a resolution to the controversy, unfortunately in this country, that will probably continue.

Now based on past actions and things he's said, do I SUSPECT Papa John is the type of dude who gets angry at black men protesting? Yes. Are his comments in support of the players and their protest? No. But is it logical to suggest the protest has affected their sales? I think so, certainly from a business perspective.

I think the only thing actually "wrong" with what he said was acting like this is something the NFL can and should "solve"; but that's actually not unreasonable from a business person's perspective totally removing any opinion of what is going on. Beyond that he pretty clearly "blames" the NFL leadership, which includes the owners since it's basically a big cooperative.

The problem with this rationalization is that ignores the protests being over an issue that is not caused by or linked to anything in the NFL. It's only a leadership issue if you view NFL players being allowed to protest the state of America as a failure.

It's still shifting blame away from those responsible
 

someday

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I understand the situation. My point is that him suggesting that the NFL and the owners should have "done something" to fix this is insinuating that they should have put a stop to the kneeling. What else could they do to make it go away? And I don't agree that his profits are more important than the reasons behind the kneeling. But his statement tells me that he couldn't care less and I'm ok judging him for it.
 

Daschiel

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Pardon my ignorance, what's a Sbarro's? Is it the frozen pizza brand at Walmart? Legit question. Thank you in advance
 

riotous

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The problem with this rationalization is that ignores the protests being over an issue that is not caused by or linked to anything in the NFL. It's only a leadership issue if you view NFL players being allowed to protest the state of America as a failure.

It's still shifting blame away from those responsible

Right, which I said as much in my post. As an ethical person the "solution" for this isn't in the NFL's hands, as I don't think the NFL should do anything about the protests. However from a business perspective? The NFL needs to figure this out, because it is affecting their business. I PERSONALLY care far more about the underlying issue at hand than I do about NFLs ratings, and anyone boycotting the NFL over this can go F themselves.

But as a publicly traded company, who is partnerwith the NFL, and likely being affected by this controversy, it makes logical sense that Papa Johns would want the NFL to "nip this in the bud."

Either way the statement doesn't need to be run through the game of telephone and paraphrasing that these article writers do; people in this thread claiming he "blamed the players and not the owners" are likely reading articles that didn't actually include the full quotes (hardly any of them did.)

His words were carefully chosen, and he went out of his way to put the onus on the NFL itself and not the players specifically calling out that any solution has to make the players satisfied (which is logical from a business perspective.)

Now from a practical perspective, what does the application of these words mean? That he thinks the protests need to end in order for the NFL to regain it's ratings and thus not affect their business. But that's not really false in any way; it's pretty logical actually.

I'm not telling anyone not to assume the dude is a racist asshole; that's their business.. just wanted to post the ACTUAL quote from the conference call as there certainly is some inaccurate paraphrasing going on.
 

Polaroid_64

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There is no proof anywhere that NFL viewership is down because of the guys taking a knee.

It had been trending downward before the protests began in ernest. Some people stopped watching because of boring games with terrible QBs or too many time outs/overlong snooze fests.

Plenty argue that some fans are not watching because of the way owners are treating the players.
 

riotous

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There is no proof anywhere that NFL viewership is down because of the guys taking a knee.

It had been trending downward before the protests began in ernest. Some people stopped watching because of boring games with terrible QBs or too many time outs/overlong snooze fests.

Plenty argue that some fans are not watching because of the way owners are treating the players.

There are TV ratings and then their are "Ratings" in the form of favorability polls. As I understand it the latter have shown low favorability and those same polls have specifically linked it to the people who think the players shouldn't protest.

It's now the "least liked sport" all of a sudden, and this is unlikely to be linked to anything but the protests : http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/s...liked-sport-core-fans-down-31/article/2636837
 

Polaroid_64

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There are TV ratings and then their are "Ratings" in the form of favorability polls. As I understand it the latter have shown low favorability and those same polls have specifically linked it to the people who think the players shouldn't protest.

It's now the "least liked sport" all of a sudden, and this is unlikely to be linked to anything but the protests : http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/s...liked-sport-core-fans-down-31/article/2636837

Ah. Thanks I haven't seen this.