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Enzom21

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,989

Apple could effectively kill the desire to jailbreak by adding a "tweak" section to Xcode.
I suspect, any kind of altering of the the user experience that they want you to have, will never come.
I think it's for two reasons:
1. They want all iPhone to be essentially the same thing as part of their "branding".
2. They are more worried about all of the people who know the bare minimum about using their phone, then they are about people who want to do more. They would rather ignore us instead of maybe confusing them.
 

signal

Member
Oct 28, 2017
40,219
Apple could effectively kill the desire to jailbreak by adding a "tweak" section to Xcode.
I suspect, any kind of altering of the the user experience that they want you to have, will never come.
I think it's for two reasons:
1. They want all iPhone to be essentially the same thing as part of their "branding".
2. They are more worried about all of the people who know the bare minimum about using their phone, then they are about people who want to do more. They would rather ignore us instead of maybe confusing them.
The lack of things like better notifications or a dark mode just seem baffling at this point and I don't think dumb users or branding can be blamed.
I don't expect many changes in 12 but who knows. I definitely don't expect a lot of the visual design changes, but concept videos sure make you wonder what alt "launchers" in iOS would be like.
 

Enzom21

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,989
The lack of things like better notifications or a dark mode just seem baffling at this point and I don't think dumb users or branding can be blamed.
I don't expect many changes in 12 but who knows. I definitely don't expect a lot of the visual design changes, but concept videos sure make you wonder what alt "launchers" in iOS would be like.
The persistent home bar and the CC grabber on the lockscreen with no ability to turn them off tell me otherwise.
I am sure they know the notification center needs a complete overhaul but they haven't done so because they think basic users wouldn't know how to use it properly.
Same with a dark mode. Can you imagine all of the people who accidentally turn it on and then can't figure out how to turn it off? This person is Apple's priority.
 

signal

Member
Oct 28, 2017
40,219
The persistent home bar and the CC grabber on the lockscreen with no ability to turn them off tell me otherwise.
I am sure they know the notification center needs a complete overhaul but they haven't done so because they think basic users wouldn't know how to use it properly.
Same with a dark mode. Can you imagine all of the people who accidentally turn it on and then can't figure out how to turn it off? This person is Apple's priority.
Hmm what part of grouped notifications do you think would confuse the average user?

And assuming the dark mode was a toggle inside system settings, you think this would be accidentally found by users and would ruin their experience to the point that Apple would not implement such a thing?

Minor point anyway since I don't know if a dark mode is that important, but I think there's a limit to what technological illiteracy can be used as a valid reason for not doing things.
 

inner-G

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
14,473
PNW
Welp, the 'halo effect' on the rounded edges/screen protector of the 8 was a dealbreaker for me,so I ended up returning it this afternoon for this bad boy...

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Enzom21

Member
Oct 25, 2017
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Hmm what part of grouped notifications do you think would confuse the average user?

And assuming the dark mode was a toggle inside system settings, you think this would be accidentally found by users and would ruin their experience to the point that Apple would not implement such a thing?

Minor point anyway since I don't know if a dark mode is that important, but I think there's a limit to what technological illiteracy can be used as a valid reason for not doing things.
You are underestimating how foreign any change would be to the technologically illiterate. Who would be more of a issue for Apple, people like us complaining about outdated features or people who will go to Apple stores and/or contact CS because a new feature is confusing and ruining their experience?
Welp, the 'halo effect' on the rounded edges/screen protector of the 8 was a dealbreaker for me,so I ended up returning it this afternoon for this bad boy...

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Maven

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,076
Earth
Any new information on the larger iPhone? I'm glad I skipped the X

Also, is there a rumor thread on the upcoming iphones?
 

signal

Member
Oct 28, 2017
40,219
You are underestimating how foreign any change would be to the technologically illiterate. Who would be more of a issue for Apple, people like us complaining about outdated features or people who will go to Apple stores and/or contact CS because a new feature is confusing and ruining their experience?
We're both just guessing but I can't imagine something like grouped notifications or a dark mode toggle would cause a flood of casual users to complain to Apple. Things in iOS change all the time. Did thousands of grandmas complain when control center or widgets changed? It's not like notifications haven't changed before.
 

Deleted member 9330

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Oct 26, 2017
6,990
We're both just guessing but I can't imagine something like grouped notifications or a dark mode toggle would cause a flood of casual users to complain to Apple. Things in iOS change all the time. Did thousands of grandmas complain when control center or widgets changed? It's not like notifications haven't changed before.

Yes. Control center for sure (if they even know what it is, most of the time they invoke it accidentally) and I have seen dozens of people who never adapted to "swipe to unlock" going away so they swipe on the lock screen then tap on a widget to get the Touch ID screen, log in, then close whatever app they just launched to get to the home screen. I've also probably seen upwards of hundreds of people not even know that there is a Notification Center and have months of banners just sitting there

What are those two switches in the top right above the small line?

Tells you where control center moved to when you first get the phone
 

signal

Member
Oct 28, 2017
40,219
Yes. Control center for sure (if they even know what it is, most of the time they invoke it accidentally) and I have seen dozens of people who never adapted to "swipe to unlock" going away so they swipe on the lock screen then tap on a widget to get the Touch ID screen, log in, then close whatever app they just launched to get to the home screen. I've also probably seen upwards of hundreds of people not even know that there is a Notification Center and have months of banners just sitting there
And yet Apple has been able to move past this. Saying "some number of people will have an issue" is different than saying "this will be so disruptive to such a large amount of people that it's better to keep ___ as is." I know the casual userbase is large but I doubt the audience that makes up the absolute lowest level of technological literacy is the focus when thinking of iOS changes.
 

inner-G

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
14,473
PNW
Notification center indicator. It appears around the first time you use the X but never comes back.
As you can see, my custom wallpaper was priority #1, lmao.

I thought it up as I was waiting in Best Buy doing the exchange and made it while I updating the phone to sync

That symbol kind of looks like the Switch icon
 

wisdom0wl

Avenger
Oct 26, 2017
7,872
How do you guys like the X? I might end upgrading within two weeks but am completely unsure as to what to get. The thing that's probably holding me back from getting the X instead of 8 is the lack of TouchID. I've grown so used to it.
 

BSherrod

Member
Oct 27, 2017
673
How do you guys like the X? I might end upgrading within two weeks but am completely unsure as to what to get. The thing that's probably holding me back from getting the X instead of 8 is the lack of TouchID. I've grown so used to it.
I haven't missed TouchID in months outside of a very small number of situations. Love my X and hate I cracked it. :-/
 

Deleted member 40053

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Feb 17, 2018
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How do you guys like the X? I might end upgrading within two weeks but am completely unsure as to what to get. The thing that's probably holding me back from getting the X instead of 8 is the lack of TouchID. I've grown so used to it.


My biggest fear about getting the X was lack of Touch ID, you won believe me, I wouldn't believe me, but Face ID just works and you won't give a shit about Touch ID inside 1 week.


BUT, and a big but! I have Apple Pay on my Apple Watch. Without that the iPhone X would be a pain.
 

Deleted member 9330

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Oct 26, 2017
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My biggest fear about getting the X was lack of Touch ID, you won believe me, I wouldn't believe me, but Face ID just works and you won't give a shit about Touch ID inside 1 week.


BUT, and a big but! I have Apple Pay on my Apple Watch. Without that the iPhone X would be a pain.

I actually disagree with this. I have an Apple Watch and still use Apple Pay on my X a good amount, and all you have to do is double tap the side button, pre-authenticate, then hold the phone to the reader. No awkward angles or anything, just do the face thing first and you're golden. Just like how on the watch you don't hold it up then double press the side button, you do the button first-.
 

DHARMA PUNX

Banned
Mar 22, 2018
536
Face ID works ridiculously well for me for some reason

Have had pretty much zero issues, even when the phone is at weird ass angles like laying on my chest while in bed
 

the_bromo_tachi

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
1,368
Japan
The iPhone X is my first smart phone and I love this device. Face ID works 95% of the times. It's faster than my iPad and I actually prefer the gestures. The screen is also beautiful to look at. The price tag was a bit high for a sim free phone but as long as this device lasts me 2-3 years, I'm satisfied.
 

ZipDisk

Member
Nov 7, 2017
23
I got this recommendation from this very thread, so I take no credit for it. Try the "Vellum" app. I read about it here and have been using it, really great wallpapers.

About recommendations, what games to you guys play? I was really addicted to Meteorfall for a while.

I had this on my old 6S+. Thanks for the reply.
 

Mafro

Member
Oct 25, 2017
8,366
How do you guys like the X? I might end upgrading within two weeks but am completely unsure as to what to get. The thing that's probably holding me back from getting the X instead of 8 is the lack of TouchID. I've grown so used to it.
I was worried about the loss of Touch ID but I'm not missing it at all. Feels much more convenient for stuff like Apple Pay in store, and for Keychain passwords. Only problem's I've had with it not working are when I'm lying in bed with half my face covered, or when I had a black face mask on. With Touch ID I always had the annoying thing of accidentally unlocking my phone and going to the home screen when I didn't want to and I don't have that problem any more.
 

DonShula

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,841
How do you guys like the X? I might end upgrading within two weeks but am completely unsure as to what to get. The thing that's probably holding me back from getting the X instead of 8 is the lack of TouchID. I've grown so used to it.

Using TouchID one-handed on a plus model was awkward and terrible. FaceID is much better for that reason alone. Makes Apple Pay way more natural.
 

Thickstone

Member
Oct 27, 2017
213
I'm actually not a fan of Face ID. Touch ID IMO was more reliable and convenient. The reason for that is that Face ID only works for me when I'm directly looking at the screen.

BTW I also think that the 8+ is a great phone and there is no shame in choosing it over the X. We'll get that shit replaced with the new hotness in a few years anyway, don't fool yourselves
 

Gamespawn

Member
Oct 25, 2017
855
I'm actually not a fan of Face ID. Touch ID IMO was more reliable and convenient. The reason for that is that Face ID only works for me when I'm directly looking at the screen.

BTW I also think that the 8+ is a great phone and there is no shame in choosing it over the X. We'll get that shit replaced with the new hotness in a few years anyway, don't fool yourselves

Turn off the attention setting.
 

Francesco

Member
Nov 22, 2017
2,521
I love face id. Touch id worked one evry five times before. Now i can just stare at my phone and unlock it.
I feel like i'm one of the few to which face id works better than touch id.
 

Enzom21

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,989
I love face id. Touch id worked one evry five times before. Now i can just stare at my phone and unlock it.
I feel like i'm one of the few to which face id works better than touch id.
Face ID is a revelation. No going back.
You guys should experience it without the need to swipe up. It is even better.
R.I.P. 11.2.1 on my phone :(
I hope Apple eventually gives us the option to skip swiping up.
Make it just like the jailbreak tweak, it opens automatically when there are no notifications or music playing.
 

Certinfy

Banned
Oct 29, 2017
3,476
Hate Face ID. Works well enough when looking directly at the screen but when in bed or when I have my phone laid down on my desk and so on it's completely useless.

Touch ID on my 7 was amazing, was fast as hell and worked 90% of the time.

Only regret I have from upgrading really.
 

ronaldthump

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,439
Just tried to use my Apple pen with iphoneX and it don't work. Fuck off. Wtf not?