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I really don't know what's wrong with Japanese devs when they don't release a PC version in their country, especially when it's already done for a WW release.
 

eXistor

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And the inevitable finally happens, 'bout freaking time! Ready to play them both all over again.
 

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Idk why you guys are thinking this has anything to do with 3's platforms. SEGA is maximizing their profit here. They aren't even involved with 3.

While true, the release of 1+2 will offer tangible insight into the distribution of the Shenmue audience and it therefore stands to reason that the success -- or lack thereof -- of the X1 version will later inform Ys Net's decision of whether to belatedly port 3 to the X1.
 

Dreamboum

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This is good. Now people can play the games and stop saying that Shenmue wished it was Yakuza/wanted to become Yakuza
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Beyond excited, but I'm curious.

Do we know if the English voice work is the original stuff from back then, or are they re-recording them?

The acting was hilarious and I kinda want it preserved.
 

Aokiji

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Ok but now SEGA it's time to focus…

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While true, the release of 1+2 will offer tangible insight into the distribution of the Shenmue audience and it therefore stands to reason that the success -- or lack thereof -- of the X1 version will later inform Ys Net's decision of whether to belatedly port 3 to the X1.
I guess you could look at it that way. But to me it just reads that SEGA went for most possible money here. That won't change what Ys & Deep Silver have planned as I'm sure they knew of this decision as soon as they went about making III a thing. I'm sure Yu spoke to SEGA so it was either always going to come to XB x months after or not at all.
 
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Spades

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I wonder if this means that 3 will now also come to Xbox? Would be a little odd if not.
 

gutter_trash

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it will be weird doing QTEs with Playstation symbols at first

but thankfully the God of War series have trained us on the Playstation buttons symbols when it comes to QTEs
 

UltraJay

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There will be HD texture mods within days hours after the game comes out. Improved meshes are up in the air depending on how big of a modding scene it gets.
 

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I'm really very curious about these games. They seem to have this insane legacy and cult status that causes people to lose their shit.

I have absolutely no idea what Shenmue is, and have never been exposed to the IP in all my years as a gamer. It's something you hear talked about in this deified way, whispered in every corner of the community, but you're like Neo in that you're on the outs and still desperately trying to figure it out.

"It's the question, Neo."

"What is The Shenmue?"

Shenmue is, no joke, the father of modern gaming. Just about everything you can think of that is common in AAA games today, was pioneered in Shenmue. Even little things you wouldn't expect, like procedural generating forests, stems from Shenmue. When Shenmue was in production, it was something that was literally 15 years too early. Insanely ground breaking.

In terms of gameplay, it's a mix of an adventure game kinda like Heavy Rain, albeit more open, and an action RPG, with the combat itself being lifted from Virtua Fighter. You train, you level up, you learn new moves. In Shenmue I, the focus is on day to day living, perhaps more like harvest moon or any other daily sim game, but shenmue II is much more of a story focused game, with a much bigger emphasis on underground fighting tournaments. There isn't much combat in shenmue I, where shenmue II is full of it.

Unfortunately, the format shift between shenmue I and shenmue II ruined some of the more ambitious aspects. Example, even though there isn't much fighting in Shenmue I, there is a dojo where you can train and level up, and the game highly encourages it. THis is because, when you get to shenmue II, the moves you learned carried over, so you'd have a custom-made fighter for Shenmue II that would affect your approach to the underground fighting tournaments. But since Shenmue I was on the dreamcast, and shenmue II in the us was on the xbox, they couldn't transfer saves, and thus they just basically gave you all the moves in the US version of shenmue II, ruining the character-building.

The story itself is classic wuxia kung fu. It begins grounded with a mystery -- you come home and see your father murdered before your eyes by a chinese man named Lan Di. Your father, who was a martial arts master, hands of a sacred mirror to Lan Di before Lan Di performs a forbidden and fatal technique on your father. In his last dying moments, he begs you to keep your friends close. Ryo vows in that moment to avenge his father's death.

Pretty much all of Shenmue I is focused on beginning your adventure, i.e. raising money to travel to china to begin your quest. As such, it's kinda light on story. You discover that the mirror your father handed over was part of a pair, and that he had hidden the other mirror on the grounds of his dojo which Ryo finds. These mirrors are ancient magics, and it's said whoever holds both of them can summon a dragon that will devour the world.

Shenmue II is where everything really kicks into high gear. Ryo travels to china and finds out more about Lan Di, the mirror, and his own destiny. Throughout Shenmue I and II there is a repeated legend that is narrated:


He shall appear from a far eastern land across the sea,
A young man who has yet to know his potential,
This potential is a power that could either destroy him or realize his will,
His courage shall determine his fate,
The path he must traverse, fraught with adversity, I await whilst praying,
For this destiny predetermined since ancient times,
A pitch black night unfolds with the morning star as its only light,
And thus the saga… Begins…


You uncover that your father and Lan Di had a shared past, that there is a secret society of martial arts masters who are trying to gather the mirrors, and that there is a young woman living in the mountains that Ryo has been destined to meet for hundreds of years. This young woman seemingly has otherworldly powers and can communicate with nature in strange, unknown ways. In their brief time together, Ryo sees her do a number of pretty weird, mystical things.

Along the way, you also go through a surprisingly star-wars like adventure. You meet Ren of Heavens, for example -- probably the closest Shenmue has to a Han Solo. You fight crime lords. You travel to the ancient walled city of Kowloon. It's great. Shenmue II ends with a massive, massive cliff hanger, just as the story reaches it's climax. That's why people have been dying for it.

The other side of why this is such a requested series is because of YU SUZUKI. This is his magnum opus. His life's work. Yu Suzuki is Mr. Sega. Think of a classic sega game that ISN'T Sonic or Shinobi, and Yu Suzuki was involved. Yu Suzuki was the heart and soul of Sega's arcade empire. Hang On, Space Harrier, Outrun, Virtua Racing, Virtua Fighter, Daytona USA, etc -- all Yu Suzuki. Shenmue was basically the last thing he was ever allowed to work on. When the Dreamcast died, Sega's best developer was given a "window seat" where he was technically still an employee, but not allowed to make anything. For 20 years, he was on the "window seat." Imagine if Shigeru Miyamoto disappeared after Mario 64 and wasn't allowed to make games. THat's what happened with Yu Suzuki.

Shenmue III is Yu Suzuki's grand return to gaming. And Shenmue III is being made by a restored version of AM2, his classic team.

The hype for Shenmue III is real.
 

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Shenmue 3 will definitely come to Xbox regardless of this collection.

Seems people still haven't realised that a successful self published indie game (which is what S3 effectively is) will eventually come to everything that can run it.
 

Serein

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About bloody time Sega and good to see the option for modern controls as well. It'd be nice if they included the What's Shenmue? and Project Barkely VF3TB disc content too as extras.
 

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Interestingly they got this copy on display at the festival. Presumably it has the US voice acting?

It's kind of humorous that foreign people want the Japanese audio and Japanese people want the foreign audio.
 
Oct 29, 2017
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Genuinely surprised that there's no Switch version, considering that SEGA have released almost everything they've put out on there ever since the Switch came out.

Day 1 on PC though of course!
 

Bowl0l

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Shenmue is, no joke, the father of modern gaming. Just about everything you can think of that is common in AAA games today, was pioneered in Shenmue. Even little things you wouldn't expect, like procedural generating forests, stems from Shenmue. When Shenmue was in production, it was something that was literally 15 years too early. Insanely ground breaking.

In terms of gameplay, it's a mix of an adventure game kinda like Heavy Rain, albeit more open, and an action RPG, with the combat itself being lifted from Virtua Fighter. You train, you level up, you learn new moves. In Shenmue I, the focus is on day to day living, perhaps more like harvest moon or any other daily sim game, but shenmue II is much more of a story focused game, with a much bigger emphasis on underground fighting tournaments. There isn't much combat in shenmue I, where shenmue II is full of it.

Unfortunately, the format shift between shenmue I and shenmue II ruined some of the more ambitious aspects. Example, even though there isn't much fighting in Shenmue I, there is a dojo where you can train and level up, and the game highly encourages it. THis is because, when you get to shenmue II, the moves you learned carried over, so you'd have a custom-made fighter for Shenmue II that would affect your approach to the underground fighting tournaments. But since Shenmue I was on the dreamcast, and shenmue II in the us was on the xbox, they couldn't transfer saves, and thus they just basically gave you all the moves in the US version of shenmue II, ruining the character-building.

The story itself is classic wuxia kung fu. It begins grounded with a mystery -- you come home and see your father murdered before your eyes by a chinese man named Lan Di. Your father, who was a martial arts master, hands of a sacred mirror to Lan Di before Lan Di performs a forbidden and fatal technique on your father. In his last dying moments, he begs you to keep your friends close. Ryo vows in that moment to avenge his father's death.

Pretty much all of Shenmue I is focused on beginning your adventure, i.e. raising money to travel to china to begin your quest. As such, it's kinda light on story. You discover that the mirror your father handed over was part of a pair, and that he had hidden the other mirror on the grounds of his dojo which Ryo finds. These mirrors are ancient magics, and it's said whoever holds both of them can summon a dragon that will devour the world.

Shenmue II is where everything really kicks into high gear. Ryo travels to china and finds out more about Lan Di, the mirror, and his own destiny. Throughout Shenmue I and II there is a repeated legend that is narrated:


He shall appear from a far eastern land across the sea,
A young man who has yet to know his potential,
This potential is a power that could either destroy him or realize his will,
His courage shall determine his fate,
The path he must traverse, fraught with adversity, I await whilst praying,
For this destiny predetermined since ancient times,
A pitch black night unfolds with the morning star as its only light,
And thus the saga… Begins…


You uncover that your father and Lan Di had a shared past, that there is a secret society of martial arts masters who are trying to gather the mirrors, and that there is a young woman living in the mountains that Ryo has been destined to meet for hundreds of years. This young woman seemingly has otherworldly powers and can communicate with nature in strange, unknown ways. In their brief time together, Ryo sees her do a number of pretty weird, mystical things.

Along the way, you also go through a surprisingly star-wars like adventure. You meet Ren of Heavens, for example -- probably the closest Shenmue has to a Han Solo. You fight crime lords. You travel to the ancient walled city of Kowloon. It's great. Shenmue II ends with a massive, massive cliff hanger, just as the story reaches it's climax. That's why people have been dying for it.

The other side of why this is such a requested series is because of YU SUZUKI. This is his magnum opus. His life's work. Yu Suzuki is Mr. Sega. Think of a classic sega game that ISN'T Sonic or Shinobi, and Yu Suzuki was involved. Yu Suzuki was the heart and soul of Sega's arcade empire. Hang On, Space Harrier, Outrun, Virtua Racing, Virtua Fighter, Daytona USA, etc -- all Yu Suzuki. Shenmue was basically the last thing he was ever allowed to work on. When the Dreamcast died, Sega's best developer was given a "window seat" where he was technically still an employee, but not allowed to make anything. For 20 years, he was on the "window seat." Imagine if Shigeru Miyamoto disappeared after Mario 64 and wasn't allowed to make games. THat's what happened with Yu Suzuki.

Shenmue III is Yu Suzuki's grand return to gaming. And Shenmue III is being made by a restored version of AM2, his classic team.

The hype for Shenmue III is real.
Sounds amazing. Now to wait for the buy button to appear.
 

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They are straight up porting, nothing more.

They don't even managed to force 16:9 on the first Shenmue like some hack that runs on emulator...



all of this is wrong

the trailer on steam is in 16:9

and they already announced they are including JPN voices for the first time in an english version of Shenmue I. This isn't a straight up port.
 

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Sounds amazing. Now to wait for the buy button to appear.

Worth posting the original, Dreamcast Shenmue II trailer from E3:



Shenmue II is very easily in my top 5 sega games EVER. The bits where you and Ren of Heavens get handcuffed together is my favorite bit in the entire story thus far.

EDIT: Man there are some great moments in that trailer, like the tai chi master who you keep blowing off early in the game, until he shows you the hidden power of Tai Chi and knocks off every single leaf from the tree in one blow, and how Ryo marvels at it.

Makes much later when he practices Tai Chi in the mountains while reflecting later on such an impactful moment. Probably the best moment of the series imo:

 
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hlhbk

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Anyone know of a Dreamcast controller that has been modified for usb use? That would be the way to play these games!
 

GrrImAFridge

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I guess you could look at it that way. But to me it just reads that SEGA went for most possible money here that won't change but Ys & Deep Silver have planned as I'm sure they knew of this decision as soon as they went about making III a thing. I'm sure Yu spoke to SEGA so it was either always going to come to XB x months after or not at all.

Oh, I'm just saying that's why people are making a link between X1 version of 1+2 and the possibility of an X1 version of 3, not that it's why 1+2 is releasing on the X1. Sega has no real way of knowing where Shenmue fans are, so it makes perfect sense that 1+2 is hitting the three platforms that can easily support it, and similarly, with an X1 version of 3 not currently on the cards (as far as we know, anyway), it's only logical that Ys Net will be looking over sales data when the opportunity to port 3 to the X1 presents itself.
 
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personaplace

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Oct 29, 2017
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Super cool, this is a release day buy for sure! I'm looking forward to finally playing II. I simply adored the original in middle school, but the nostalgia of being a child playing the classics is worth destroying if it allows an increased appreciation of how far we've come.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Genuinely surprised that there's no Switch version, considering that SEGA have released almost everything they've put out on there ever since the Switch came out.

Day 1 on PC though of course!

Yea, it's really odd given Sega's release pattern on Switch so far, and the fact that Switch should be able to handle these with total ease.

Oh well. PS4 day 1 here.
 

Grapezard

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Nov 16, 2017
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And the mods said: "Let there be red rained upon the heathens".

But that's neat, Shenmue fans deserve it on account of their rough history. They've suffered a lot over the years.
 

Cyborg

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What does HD mean? Im getting a feeling they will put a lil effort in it and Sega only wants to cash in

Any screens?
 

Namyu

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Thank god, day fucking one. Feel free to bring Skies of Arcadia while you're at it Sega.
 

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The scene in Shenmue II where Shenhua sings her lullabye is awesome:



I love how, after hearing this song constantly for two entire games, you finally hear the lyrics. And they wind up being a huge clue into the reality of the legend they're chasing. The lyrics to that song foreshadow some crazy fucking shit.

Fuck this series has an awesome soundtrack. Gonna go put on my Shenmue LP again.
 
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