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Nothing

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Oct 30, 2017
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They are not wrong, me neither. Thats how opinions work.
It's not a bad game. You simply didn't like it. Learn the difference. You made the declarations: "its not a great game" and "gameplay is simply bad". You state it all matter-of-fact-like. That's not an opinion.

Up to you though. You're the one that makes yourself look like a fool in front of everyone when you say that Shenmue is a bad game. You're the one being ignorant. If you want to be ignorant then you're going to get called out. Like I have with you here. That's how ignorance works.
 

SnatcherHunter

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Oct 27, 2017
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I can see many here being disappointed with the game. Especially many here that only played Yakuza.

This is a special kind of game..not everyone understood it.

Patience is a huge keyword.
 

Nothing

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I wonder if it would have been better if they saved the announcement for when they could have released it within the same week.

There a lot of people I suspect that are getting caught up in the hype of this moment and saying they will buy it, but then I suspect most will change their minds come time of release.
Yeah I hear you there. Sega has a history of recent poor new release launches. Poor timing coupled with zero marketing. I worry about the launch of this game as well. I'm thinking about the recent piles of $15 clearance Yakuza Kiwamis at Target, as I type this.
 
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Frankly, I did not play it when it was released, but 30€ for the two updated physical games is very reasonable.

What was once a "maybe I'll buy it" is becoming a "I'll buy it for sure" with that tag price.
 

Prine

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I can see many here being disappointed with the game. Especially many here that only played Yakuza.

This is a special kind of game..not everyone understood it.

Patience is a huge keyword.


Yep, posted earlier that I'm nervous with new players. It's going to be hard to enjoy this game if you've not played it before imo, there's so many design decisions, which at the time we're acceptable if not admirable, so for a period Shenmue was trailblazing, without having that appreciation, the game peculiar mechanics may seem like a mess compared to modern standards.
 

Border

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Also!

Somehow the Xbox Shenmue 2 dub was even worse than Shenmue 1's dub!

I don't know how the voice acting could possibly be any worse than Shenmue 1. Most of the actors in the first game aren't even trying to emote.....theyr'e just giving a flat read of everything.

There's low-budget anime dubs that sound better than Shenmue 1.
 

SnatcherHunter

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Oct 27, 2017
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Yep, posted earlier that I'm nervous with new players. It's going to be hard to enjoy this game if you've not played it before imo, there's so many design decisions, which at the time we're acceptable if not admirable, without having that background, the game peculiar mechanics may seem like a mess compared to modern standards.


Bingo.. people expect an adventure game.. then they will get a game that even Suzuki said was not an adventure, rpg, action, etc.

He had to coin up the phrase F.R.E.E to explain the genre of Shenmue.
 

Nzyme32

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Also!

Somehow the Xbox Shenmue 2 dub was even worse than Shenmue 1's dub!

Jo

How?? It was literely the same actors!

Directors play a huge part in getting a good performance out of an actor. I wonder if Shenmue II had a different voice director or maybe a shorter recording period?

I didn't know that..

Probably a short period. The Xbox version was dubbed pretty quick before release.

Yep. The directing was abysmal, but there are also issues with some rather literal translation and I would assume a simlar issue to other Japanese games where non-native speakers are looking for a tonality that sounds good to them rather than native speakers.

However, with all the issues, my first exposure to Shenmue was the OG Xbox version, and despite the ridiculous voice acting, I still thoroughly enjoyed the game. It is a real testament to the strength and unique immersion of the game itself.
 

Spaghetti

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We keep getting so many drive-bys about how people will not like the new game, how it will be shitty, how the old ones are crap, and yet we keep #WINNING! Go shenmue fans!
It's really weird why people feel the need to come shitpost religiously in Shenmue threads. Some of the posts in that other topic are very telling, and I feel like they could be bannable if that level of transparent trolling occurred in a thread about a first party game from the big three.

How?? It was literely the same actors!
Shenmue II's script was larger, and it's likely the recording was done quickly to keep costs down, so less time to get a good take. There are a few bright spots though, Eric Kelso as Ren stole the show and was perfectly balanced with Corey Marshall's Ryo.

Also there are vastly more NPCs in Shenmue II, so you've got actors stretching themselves to ridiculous amounts to give characters a "unique" voice.

Poor direction is also hampering the emotional weight of the story, especially when it comes to Xiuying. That's primarily why I'd suggest playing II in Japanese first time around.
 
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I love Shenmue's dub. I know it's bad, but it is charming and memorable. It's part of the experience. Hearing Corey Marshall go "Oh.........." and "Uh....." and Fukusan's sweaty temptation...how can you not want that.
 

Spaghetti

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Didn't they do nothing to improve textures?
Except they have. Shenmue's skybox isn't a pixelated mess anymore, and Shenmue II appears to be taking the higher res textures from the Xbox version. It needs a texture filtering option but they've already exceeded the quality you'd get booting the game up on an emulator.
 

Spaghetti

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I love Shenmue's dub. I know it's bad, but it is charming and memorable. It's part of the experience. Hearing Corey Marshall go "Oh.........." and "Uh....." and Fukusan's sweaty temptation...how can you not want that.
Corey's delivery has kind of gone down well with the streaming audiences I've seen being exposed to the game for the first time, in a post-ironic sort of way...

They think he comes across as a socially awkward martial arts dweeb... which is not tremendously far from the truth.
 

SnatcherHunter

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Oct 27, 2017
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Yep. The directing was abysmal, but there are also issues with some rather literal translation and I would assume a simlar issue to other Japanese games where non-native speakers are looking for a tonality that sounds good to them rather than native speakers.

However, with all the issues, my first exposure to Shenmue was the OG Xbox version, and despite the ridiculous voice acting, I still thoroughly enjoyed the game. It is a real testament to the strength and unique immersion of the game itself.


Hehe

I seeeeeeeee

But, the bad acting is what made shenmue classic IMO

Have you seen sailors ??? It doesn't get better than that..
 

Perzeval

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Oct 25, 2017
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Except they have. Shenmue's skybox isn't a pixelated mess anymore, and Shenmue II appears to be taking the higher res textures from the Xbox version. It needs a texture filtering option but they've already exceeded the quality you'd get booting the game up on an emulator.

All right, that's good and all but I'm looking at the screenshots in the OP the clothes and vegetation looks real bad. I expected more tbh.
 
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StereoVSN

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Awesome news! Going for PA4 physical and PC digital. Will have Shenmue 3 on both from Kickstarter so might as well.

This is an amazing series and hopefully with updated graphics and controls as well availability more people will be able to experience it. I do hope the first game got QoL improvements from the sequel.
 

StereoVSN

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Nov 1, 2017
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Amazing! This is great news. Double dipping on PS4 and PC for sure. Love that box art. As I said in the other thread, hopefully the first game will get QoL improvements from the sequel but I am on it either way.
 

dlauv

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QOL features and price are wonderful news. Extremely good value.

I honestly hope they don't change the textures too much. They did that on Xbox with Shenmue 2 and it got some oddities. And RE4 and that got some oddities. Basically, those reworks rarely work out, and I'm of mind that classics should almost always (outside of remakes) accommodate contemporary ratios and refresh rates, maybe add some AA and AF to clean it up, but otherwise proudly have all of the original visual content, warts and all.

I liked Shenmue 1 when I played it on DC. It was weird, but unique. However, Shenmue 2 was abysmal. Excited to replay with the updates!
 
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Mahonay

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All right, that's good and all but I'm looking at the screenshots in the OP the clothes and vegetation looks real bad. I expected more tbh.
I mean, who knows. It's marked as "work in progress". They might make some further improvements on those textures. But yeah, it's a nearly 20 year old game.
thanks guys. I will end up buying it. but I wont like it. gonna be a repeat of the seamen game.
Lol.
 

Spaghetti

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That doesn't tell me anything. I'm well aware of the age as I owned the original but I still expected more work on the textures.
Short of actually redoing them, I don't know what you expected. They've already paved over the cracks on really noticeable stuff like the skybox, and are making use of higher res textures for II where available, but you're only going to get a certain level of resolution/clarity considering the age and that these games were never originally intended for these platforms.
 

Perzeval

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Oct 25, 2017
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Short of actually redoing them, I don't know what you expected. They've already paved over the cracks on really noticeable stuff like the skybox, and are making use of higher res textures for II where available, but you're only going to get a certain level of resolution/clarity considering the age and that these games were never originally intended for these platforms.

Redoing them is what I expected, yeah. Or at least hoped.

Edit: price is ok though if trophy support is in.
 
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Naliem1

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Nov 27, 2017
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If they actually put the timeskip feature on Shenmue 1... it might be the best thing of this remaster.
 

DigitalOp

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Nov 16, 2017
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beautiful games.

The first one burns me with DC nostalgia. This was the first game I experienced to have that Animal Crossing style day by day gameplay.

You get to be Ryo after the heartbreaking murder of his father trying to solve the mystery of what he was wrapped up in. Its an incredible experience.
 
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But it IS a great game. People need to learn the difference between "this is bad" and "I didn't like it". Something isn't bad just because you didn't like it. Just say "I didn't care for it". There are 30 pages on here describing the historical significance and the positive traits of Shenmue 1&2. They aren't wrong; you are.
Straight up, truth being dropped in here, speaking as a convert. I owned shenmue when it originally launched on dreamcast and couldn't FORCE myself through it (and the game isnt even that long). Over a decade later, post shenmue 3 announcement I said fuggit and decided to play through it finally. It's probably less the game and more that I as a person have changed but still, this game? Its literally the definition of a release game in the sense that it is an escape from your reality to another. Want to go to a literal other world, with shitty real life rules and people, just like in your world? Most dont but I myself, this time around, found some sort of serenity in, not playing, but LIVING shenmue. It is one of the few games to TRULY make me feel like i was living in a true living and breathing other world. I also love the 80s and Japan so it was sure to win me over at some point but still, this game...is barely a game at all. It's more of a life experience and I can't love it enough for that.
 

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It's not a bad game. You simply didn't like it. Learn the difference. You made the declarations: "its not a great game" and "gameplay is simply bad". You state it all matter-of-fact-like. That's not an opinion.

Up to you though. You're the one that makes yourself look like a fool in front of everyone when you say that Shenmue is a bad game. You're the one being ignorant. If you want to be ignorant then you're going to get called out. Like I have with you here. That's how ignorance works.

Hey Nothing, there is nothing else that needs to be explained here. +1 Thank Yu
 

Rhowm

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Nov 27, 2017
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Given the price they're selling the game for (and the wish to get these out before Shenmue 3) I'm not surprised if there was not much work on redoing the textures. It's fair to say that these are intended as remasters & (from other examples this generation) I think the resolution increase, control changes, QoL and dual audio, qualifies them to be classified as such. I'll be getting this on PC on day one
 

Metalgus

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It is one of the few games to TRULY make me feel like i was living in a true living and breathing other world.

True. I remember playing the first game on release with my younger sister watching. At some point I ask her what time it is, and she quickly gave me the in-game time. I was asking about real world. But this what that game does, it sucks you in. Havent played the two games since release and im really looking forward to revisiting that world.
 

ShadowFox08

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The textures though... What did they improve besides resolution? IQ improvements seem minimal at best. Despite no increase in polygons for models, even TP HD had a texture upgrade for a lot of models and the environments
 
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Have we speculated about the release date, yet? Hopefully not September or October
Does that even matter with a game like shenmue? The fact that it's being rereleased, specifically on pc, means people can play this anytime they want, release date be damned and the legacy of shenmue almost insures that people will buy not only on release but for years after the fact. I wouldn't worry about red dead 2 for this one, imo.
 
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