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Oct 27, 2017
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I've stuck with the show all these years and watched the first couple of episodes this season and kind of gave up. I've still got all of the rest of the episodes from this season recorded but I really wish this show had less filler. There is something to be said about HBO shows like Game of Thrones where they're topped off at like 10 episodes per season tops. One of my big issues with The Walking Dead is just how often episodes feel like filler and with so many other shows out there its just hard for me to care about a show as meandering as TWD can sometimes be.

At this point it probably doesn't help that for me, (generalizations regarding the comic's storylines)
I don't have any great affinity to the whole Whisperer storyline, so its not like I have some big event or OH Shit! moment coming up in the show to keep me motivated and watching like in the lead up to Negan and Glenn's death. Its kind of my larger issue with the comics too really, in that it just got too repetitive after a while, especially when its a story with zero end in sight and I guess that's kind of by design by Kirkman
 

Jave

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Oct 30, 2017
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I'll be honest. While I do think this is the last season involving the Saviors arc, I wouldn't be surprised one bit if we get yet another cliffhanger and the resolution to this arc is not shown until the season 9 premiere.
 

Surfinn

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Oct 25, 2017
28,590
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On the flip side, Game of Thrones could have really used more episodes every season to flesh out their poorly drawn characters and rushed storylines.
S7, while flawed, is probably my favorite GoT season. I'd take a million of them over the trash that's been churned out of TWD in the last two or three years. Even considering its missteps, it's leagues above anything this show could ever hope to be.

And I'd also take 7-10 episode seasons over the current 16E model. There's just too many. Though that's hardly the show's biggest problem. But it's a start.
 
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RatskyWatsky

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Oct 25, 2017
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For people complaining about the Saviors or lamenting that they're just going to fight another bad group next season, what exactly would you want them to do at this point, just survive walkers? At this point walkers aren't really an issue anymore unless you're a dumbass like Carl. They have a community with fortifications. If they beat the Saviors and now can live in peace, what will they make episodes about?

I think it would be interesting if the show eventually pulled a "conquest mode" of sorts - Alexandria, Hilltop, Kingdom, etc. are all safe and prosperous. Nothing bad happens and the groups have amassed a sizable stockpile of supplies - they want for nothing. So they start "clearing" out entire regions of the map - eliminating herds, booting up new settlements, politicking with other groups - basically adding new assets to their "empire".

Rick could be downgraded to a recurring character or guest star - someone ruling from afar (and mostly off screen) in his peaceful realm while others (some familiar, some new) would be going out into the world and executing his will.

This would allow for more episodic and self contained story lines (I believe one of the main reasons people view seasons 4 and 5 as the high point is because each "story" only lasted a short time) and also would present a long term strategy for the show going forward. The next arc in the comics is literally just
"new overarching big bads with a different coat of paint" and the arc after that pretty much is the same thing as well, which sort of makes it obvious that Robert Kirkman has run out of ideas and that the writers of the show need to do their own thing.

Season long villains almost never work well (this is an issue that Arrow, Flash, Legends, etc. have all struggled with in the past) because there's always a lack of tension - you know the villain is going to keep escaping until the very end of the season.

This would allow the show to do something fresh every year, it would prevent existing characters from remaining static or going in circles (and save a ton of money that the 9+ season veteran actors would rack up. I mean, there's a reason long running procedural shows like Grey's Anatomy and CSI are always swapping out cast members - either it's way too expensive to keep everyone around or the actors just want to move on), and it would allow the show to have a stronger sense of world building and "story progression". They could even change the opening sequence into something along the lines of Game of Thrones', where we see a map of the US every week to help us keep track of where the characters are, in addition to all the territories the group has cleared/saved/conquered.
 

Kschreck

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Oct 27, 2017
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^ Kind of what I expected and or at least had hoped for a few seasons back. I had feared that when they reached Alexandria the show would really slow down and sure enough I was right and then some. This show doesn't have to be boring and it doesn't need a bigger budget to make it fun and compelling again. They just need a lot of what you and others have wanted for years. An entirely new direction and purpose for the world and characters. Give us the next step in the story!!!
 

Rehynn

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Feb 14, 2018
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the line separating them isn't huge so it's definitely not a big leap for people to "fall for" Negan's humanization. Throw in his charisma and whatnot and he's just a likeable dude. Not sure why people think it's farfetched. The problem was before we learned these other sides to him he was literally a cartoon character saying cartoonish things and doing cartoonishly evil things just to do them. But when you start seeing him vulnerable and as a more genuine person (i.e. grief over Carl, Lucille, angry at Simon, etc...) it gets much easier to accept him.

Riiiight... so if Hitler had named one of his camps after his childhood dog, it would hame really humanized him! Who gives a shit if Negan is sad over his long-dead wife when he's murdering innocent people's innocent husbands, borderline enslaving other people, taking their wives for his own pleasure, etc. And we're supposed to think Rick is almost the same because... he's trying to build communities where people are not living under a tyrant and don't murder each other over resource, but keeps running into people who want to fuck up that plan and gets mad at them?

It's a very low bar if cheap shit like "hey, he named his sadistic murder weapon after his wife" actually works on people.

On another note: Remember how they built up Daryl as an expert tracker? Well, apparently now he can't even see the signs that someone burrowed their way into a fucking heap of ash. No footprints, no nothing.
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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That episode wasn't too bad for recent standards, though there were plenty of things wrong. Eugene's puke escape has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever seen in this show. He could have done anything, like a punch in the face, get a handful of dust and throw it in her eyes or simply push her away and run for it. No, he puked on her. What the actual fuck. Also, since it seems implied that the show will now go in a rather different direction compared to the comics, I wonder how the whole Negan storyline ends. I really, really hope they won't reach a "lol let's have peace" moment like Carl would have wanted, because after all that happened between them it wouldn't be credible at all. No joke, was watching the episode with my GF and she said (as a huge fan) that she'll quit if they go "all out peace" on us. Can't say I'd blame her. Rick needs to beat the shit out of Negan's head with Lucille in the season finale. The only cliffhanger or non risolutive ending I'd be fine with is if they mirror S6's finale, with Rick going around Negan and his men with Lucille in his hands, terrorizing them and potentially beating the shit out of a couple of them in next season's pilot. I could accept that, but if they simply take their time to resolve it I might quit as well tbh.

Which brings me to the fact that they fucked two major bad guys in one shot. It was predictable, but it's still sad: the whole betrayalton was literally the only thing truly interesting going on these past few episodes, but it intigues me if this leads Rick and his buddies into a trap. We could have a dramatic episode on our hands, hopefully they deliver. And what to do after that? I hope they trash the comics and go full on crazy. Not because the comics are bad, but doing filler after filler to get that episode count just to adapt the Negan arc into 2 seasons was dreadful, hopefully the new showrunner can do better than that. About that, the whole helicopter thing is intriguing because for the first time in a long long time we might actually see something different. A military camp with modern tech? A place that is safe from the zombie apocalypse? Actual modern warfare with military equipment? A potential base to capture after which Rick would suddenly own a literal army? The potential for something great is there, and while I'm not holding my breath with this show since about S4, I am still in for the characters, the atmosphere, and the potential of it all going somewhere eventually. And well, for all its flaws, the Negan arc was still more enjoyable than the Governor idiocy.
 

san00ake

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Oct 30, 2017
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I left the show after watching s07e01, it felt too much like torture porn and I honestly grew tired of it.
I decided to come back and catch up, but I think that after this season is done, so will I be with this show.

We've seen Rick mourn and Morgan go batshit crazy back and forth how many times now?
I wish they had stayed with 6 episodes per season like with the first one, but whereas shows like GoT went for quality, TWD went for quantity, and it shows.
 

Jacknapes

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Oct 26, 2017
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I had a feeling Negan would root out Simon for what he really was. As for Dwight, wonder what'll happen with him now seeing as Negan has also found him out.

Eugene's escape though, urghhh
 

Tetra-Grammaton-Cleric

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Oct 28, 2017
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He wore a muscle suit in Watchmen IIRC.

Did he?

This doesn't look like a muscle suit to me. He just looks beefier.

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Oct 27, 2017
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JDM from a few days ago....sure does look like someone who's been locked in a cell after a time jump for the beginning of Season 9....


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riotous

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Oct 25, 2017
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Seattle
Negan is sad over his long-dead wife when he's murdering innocent people's innocent husbands, borderline enslaving other people, taking their wives for his own pleasure, etc. And we're supposed to think Rick is almost the same because... he's trying to build communities where people are not living under a tyrant and don't murder each other over resource, but keeps running into people who want to fuck up that plan and gets mad at them?

Yeah I tend to agree; Rick lies to some of Negan's murdering slave master buddies and kills them ruthlessly and suddenly there is a thin line between that and the sadistic shit Negan and crew does.. kind of ridiculous to me. And the bold has always been particularly disturbing, and pretty over the top dumb how they try to balance that with Negan supposedly being anti-rape. Yeah, sure buddy, you are the consent king.

I like Negan's character; but he's not in some grey area.. what's interesting about him is that he THINKS he's some grey area "fair" ruler when he's really just a psychopath on a HUGE power trip; even the supposedly "good" things he does are all a part of that. He gets off on being the one to decide if someone lives or dies; and he occasionally lets people live as part of that.
 

SeanM

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Oct 26, 2017
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For people complaining about the Saviors or lamenting that they're just going to fight another bad group next season, what exactly would you want them to do at this point, just survive walkers? At this point walkers aren't really an issue anymore unless you're a dumbass like Carl. They have a community with fortifications. If they beat the Saviors and now can live in peace, what will they make episodes about?

Well I think that's a major problem with the show in general, there's far too many characters now. When you have a huge gated community with dozens of people constantly on guard and equipped with seemingly unlimited ammo assault rifles, there's just zero tension. The only way to put those characters in danger and make them seem vulnerable is if they behave stupidly, which ends up just being frustrating for the audience.

I feel as if the show was far more effective when it was smaller in scale. The bar scene in the second season with Rick, Glenn, and Hershel running into some strangers was more tense than anything in recent years imo.

 
Nov 4, 2017
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Well I think that's a major problem with the show in general, there's far too many characters now. When you have a huge gated community with dozens of people constantly on guard and equipped with seemingly unlimited ammo assault rifles, there's just zero tension. The only way to put those characters in danger and make them seem vulnerable is if they behave stupidly, which ends up just being frustrating for the audience.

I feel as if the show was far more effective when it was smaller in scale. The bar scene in the second season with Rick, Glenn, and Hershel running into some strangers was more tense than anything in recent years imo.


Yep. For the shit S2 gets, it still had this moment, the moment with Shane raiding the barn and blowing out all the walkers, Shane abandoning the dude at the school, and several other memorable moments. It was far, far better. The prison had the scenes where Rick took out the inmates. Season after that had the throat bite. Alexandria also had great moments.

It's just almost worthless now. It's not even just the subject matter and the writing. The actual shots, the cinematography, the editing, the lighting, the effects, the combat choreography, the way walkers just hover around you and pose zero threat, all of that is ruining the show.
 

Surfinn

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yep. For the shit S2 gets, it still had this moment, the moment with Shane raiding the barn and blowing out all the walkers, Shane abandoning the dude at the school, and several other memorable moments. It was far, far better. The prison had the scenes where Rick took out the inmates. Season after that had the throat bite. Alexandria also had great moments.

It's just almost worthless now. It's not even just the subject matter and the writing. The actual shots, the cinematography, the editing, the lighting, the effects, the combat choreography, the way walkers just hover around you and pose zero threat, all of that is ruining the show.
S2 is one of my favorites. It's all about the characters and their interactions. Plot wise it's pretty much at a standstill, but the characters play off of each other effortlessly. It's a flawed season, no doubt, but it's definitely one of the better ones.
 

Tux_

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Nov 5, 2017
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The scene with RIck and Morgan going fucking savage on the saviors was intense, well shot, and brutal.

The scene with Negan bashing in glens head was incredible.

The show has had it moments as of late
 

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S2, while it was a flawed season, is also one of my favorites. One of these days I'll have to go back and rewatch the earlier seasons.
 

Surfinn

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Oct 25, 2017
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S2, while it was a flawed season, is also one of my favorites. One of these days I'll have to go back and rewatch the earlier seasons.
S2 is incredible to rewatch now. So many classic TWD moments executed brilliantly. The barn (midseason?) finale is top notch entertainment.

Rick/Shane drama is insanely captivating
 
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RatskyWatsky

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Lukar

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Oct 27, 2017
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So excited for tonight, gonna see the episodes at the local theater with my boyfriend.

I'm really glad this season wound up turning itself around. I thought that for the most part, the first half of the season wasn't that good (also, the sudden reappearance of Morales made me absolutely groan), and when they revealed that Carl was bitten, I was worried for the show. But since it came back from the midseason break, I think it's been pretty solid.

I'm looking forward to seeing how they wrap up this 2.5-season-long story arc. I already know what happens in the comics, but I want to see how the show handles things. Moreso than the comics, this point in the show really feels like it's wrapping up the entire first eight seasons in preparation for a fresh start, and that kind of makes me excited.
 

Border

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm kinda curious how many people are going to actually turn up for the finale in movie theaters.

Our local theater plays the show every week but they shut it off as soon as TWD ends. I doubt they will let us watch Fear the Walking Dead. Which is fine -- I'm still not sure if I want to catch up on FTWD, or just jump in at the beginning of Season 4. I heard S2 is the real slog.....is it possible to just start with S3?
 

Lukar

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'm kinda curious how many people are going to actually turn up for the finale in movie theaters.

Our local theater plays the show every week but they shut it off as soon as TWD ends. I doubt they will let us watch Fear the Walking Dead. Which is fine -- I'm still not sure if I want to catch up on FTWD, or just jump in at the beginning of Season 4. I heard S2 is the real slog.....is it possible to just start with S3?
Season two's first half isn't the greatest, but it starts to pick up around the halfway point, and ends in a pretty good spot. Just like the main show, I wouldn't recommend skipping it to be honest. That said, it is worth it if you watch the whole thing, if you ask me.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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What were the important story bears the last two seasons? You know, the season premiere, mid season finale and obligatory season finale deaths.

I'll give the show another shot with the new showrunner but I can't deal with this show as it currently is, but I can't help but be curious about the ratings grab episodes.
 

Thepoorman

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Apr 5, 2018
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Can someone catch me up on the key points of season 8 I haven't started it yet I want to watch the season finale tonight don't have time to watch 8 hours of Walking Dead
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Hopefully Fear will do fine...but it's funny that poster suggests a literal passing of the baton...and that stained glass window, geez. You could have just kept Carl going.
 

Enforced

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Oct 26, 2017
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Looking forward the finale. The second half of this season is better than the first half. The overall season 8 is bit better than season 7 but weaker than season 6 imo.
 

NYR

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Oct 27, 2017
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On the one bright side, this is the last show we get with the garbage showrunner in charge. I can only hope this means it means we get to move forward. If not, this show is is huge danger of falling off a cliff next season.
 

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Oct 26, 2017
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Anyone else have bad taste in the mouth since last episode where Rick and Morgan lie and kill the saviors that trusted them? I want the show to end now. Theres no where to go.
 

dustyherb

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Oct 25, 2017
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Anyone else have bad taste in the mouth since last episode where Rick and Morgan lie and kill the saviors that trusted them? I want the show to end now. Theres no where to go.
It definitely irritates me but thankfully I think Rick is going to bounce back. His conversation with Morgan after the fight and looking into the broken mirror. Plus he finally took some time to relax and read Carl's letter. I think Rick is going to be a changed man in S9. I just hope Morgan can find some balance and peace again. Maybe his journey on Fear will help him.
 

FreezePeach

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Oct 25, 2017
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This on tonight at 10est or 8? Isnt it the season finale? I havent been keeping up this season. Fear is on tonight at 9 i think.