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‘The Walking Dead’ – Season 8 - Sundays on AMC
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They'll spend all of next season building to that. You'll just have wait for Fall 2019 for anything interesting with that lol
Yep, you're probably right.
Instead of following the comic they'll create their own Maggie/Glen/Jesus Conspiracy plot that'll eat up an entire season.
Bloody hell this should be the end of this show already. It's fucking stupid to set the tone of Maggie & D turning on Rick just when they're starting to build up civilization.
It had me until this. It makes no sense, especially Jesus being in the room and agreeing (seemingly).
I actually really enjoyed the episode; maybe it was from watching it commercial free in the theater but the majority of it was really good to me.
Outside of the absolutely stupid Maggie scene; not sure why anyone here thinks Jesus would join in on that plot. That was one of the dumbest parts of the scene; why of all people would Maggie have that conversation with Jesus? Pretty obvious he'll be the mediator in whatever happens. There being some tension after Rick let Negan live would make sense, but that was just idiotic, especially the "and Michonne too" part.
Outside of the absolutely stupid Maggie scene; not sure why anyone here thinks Jesus would join in on that plot. That was one of the dumbest parts of the scene; why of all people would Maggie have that conversation with Jesus? Pretty obvious he'll be the mediator in whatever happens. There being some tension after Rick let Negan live would make sense, but that was just idiotic, especially the "and Michonne too" part.
Haven't seen this one yet, but from what I'm seeing here and being up to date on the comics:
- Dwight wounds Rick with the arrow in front of Negan, not Tara and Simon respectively. Negan shows up to Hilltop and gets a priceless reaction for seeing Rick alive
- A good moment where Rick lays out the future (similar to Carl's speel in the show) to Negan and actually convinces Negan...only to slice Negans throat and demand the Saviors to surrender. Negan still manages to break Rick's leg before passing out. Dwight gets the groups to stand down.
- Carl attempts to execute Negan and is stopped. Rick is the one trying to teach Carl a better way, not the other way around.
- Maggie and Jesus don't turn on Rick or plot. Maggie hates keeping Negan alive, but believes Glenn wouldn't want them executing people either. However, at a point later in the storyline Maggie does go apeshit on Rick and kicks the shit out of him, as well as plan to kill Negan. Andrea (romantic role for Rick) is also against keeping Negan alive, but again no plotting.
Plus in general it's much more condensed and the characters behave in-line with who they are and their surroundings, unlike how the show moves along. Plus with Carl dead, the next arc will just boil down to just another conflict, instead of anything more than that. Kid was a huge part of it in the best way IMO.
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The giant herd was possibly a reference to that.
The battle was far more epic. It also
ended with Rick literally having his leg turned completely around and badly broken. After this he still slit Negans throat and had him saved. It fast forwards to where this season started. Old man Rick with a cain but Carl is still alive. Maggie doesn't turn evil either.
I have supported and defended this show up until this point. They totally ruined the climax of this story arch. I am probably done with the show.
Not only the herd but the field itself they were standing on when they saw it.
That field/area looked a lot like the place the Whisperers make the border with heads.
One of the weaker finale's in the show's history. Not horrible but it felt disjointed. Some cool moments and some actual effort in terms of direction, cinematography, action, framing, camera movement.. much more so than usual.
That's the sad thing to me. You can tell people actually wake up and keep the wheels from spinning for the premiere/midseason/finales. Makes the lack of effort really noticeable when you're watching the episodes in between.
Jesus sitting in on that shit (and not immediately berating Maggie/Daryl for their plan) is one of the most laughably out of character behaviors I've ever seen (after he spent like what, the last season and an half beating characters over the head with how they need to save everyone, and especially considering the conversations he had with Morgan in this episode). Just what
The best thing about the finale is that All Out War is finally over. Sure, it was one of the weaker sections of the comic but I never felt like it was bad or even boring. The last two seasons have easily been the shows worst content and it looks like it's having a significant impact on viewership.
The way I see it.. the show has one more chance to turn things around (with the timeskip). This is a literal fresh start and I hope they take advantage of it and make significant departures from the way the show has been handled for the last few years.
That's the sad thing to me. You can tell people actually wake up and keep the wheels from spinning for the premiere/midseason/finales. Makes the lack of effort really noticeable when you're watching the episodes in between.
Jesus sitting in on that shit (and not immediately berating Maggie/Daryl for their plan) is one of the most laughably out of character behaviors I've ever seen (after he spent like what, the last season and an half beating characters over the head with how they need to save everyone, and especially considering the conversations he had with Morgan in this episode). Just what
The best thing about the finale is that All Out War is finally over. Sure, it was one of the weaker sections of the comic but I never felt like it was bad or even boring. The last two seasons have easily been the shows worst content and it looks like it's having a significant impact on viewership.
The way I see it.. the show has one more chance to turn things around (with the timeskip). This is a literal fresh start and I hope they take advantage of it and make significant departures from the way the show has been handled for the last few years.
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Hopefully they keep the big culling moment from the comics next season.
Idk if I'd call AoW in the comics weak. It's good with the collection now, but perhaps felt slow to kickoff and then ended quickly with even the bimonthly issues.
Kill a ton of side characters, plus Rosita and Ezekial by the mid season finale. Michonne may bite it by the season finale too if she adopts Andrea's role completely, and Father Gabriel. Unfortunately, that means a good black character is out unless the Oceanside leader picks up a front and center role.
Idk if I'd call AoW in the comics weak. It's good with the collection now, but perhaps felt slow to kickoff and then ended quickly with even the bimonthly issues.
Maybe make Enid a bigger character and put her in his position? Can't be a 1:1 adaptation of it, but maybe it can work. Gives Maggie more than Gregory problems and distract her from stabbing g Rick in the back in the writing room.
One thing I didn't get was rick saying it was a trap and he then still going right into the line of fire. If Eugene doesn't screw up the bullets they are all dead. I would definitely have preferred them winning an actual fight or even outsmarting the saviors.
I think Rick was referring to knowing the original plan was a trap. I don't think he knew both plans were a trap until he got to the field.
I also don't think they knew Eugene was going to assist them which was the actual reason Rosita punched him.
So Eugene's plan depended on none of the Saviors firing a single bullet on their way to the ambush point? If even one Savior had shot a walker on the way, his entire plan would have been exposed.
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Isn't that the point though? That it was a big gamble? Hence why he was so eager to run after Gabriel when he jumped out of the vehicle.
So he just wanted to make sure none of the Saviors shot at Gabriel?
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yup, I thought he had something in mind later when he chased him like that
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Hilltop remains a major backdrop, if not the primary one for a good while. This may again not be the case as the show goes on due to Carl no longer being in the mix.
The Sanctuary is barely shown and doesn't have much of a role with the Saviors mostly keeping to themselves.
The Sanctuary is barely shown and doesn't have much of a role with the Saviors mostly keeping to themselves.
They probably will. Hilltop isn't large enough for everyone, and there's nothing visually interesting about the Kingdom for the show to focus there more than it has to.
Walking Dead is the "Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock" of zombie television.
In a minute there is time
For decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse.
Laura gets to stay at the sanctuary, everyone's happy but Dwight gets sent off into no man's land. Wut. That's gotta burn... Helping Rick's people, getting caught and the person who ratted you out is gardening in a safe zone and you're all alone left to read letters from your missing wife with a 4 pack of stale beer.
Did Arat die btw?
Did Arat die btw?
Right. But it teetered on the line of "big gamble" and "ridiculous writing."
Rick always has the worst plans, btw.
We all knew Rick was gonna wuss out and not kill Negan, despite the fact that most people want Negan gone. I truly dont see how they can redeem his character after he completely slaughtered Glen and Abraham. I can see from a character perspective why that pissed Maggie off, but this whole Heel turn Maggie lmao along with Rogue Jesus and Daryl now is just beyond stupid.
Was hoping the end of this season would spark some interesting things for season 9, but im still not feeling it at all.
Was hoping the end of this season would spark some interesting things for season 9, but im still not feeling it at all.
Seems like Dwight was fine with that choice though. In the end dude just wanted Negan to go down, himself to atone for his sins, and his wife. He gets all three now.
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Surprised that Andrea was finally killed. I don't think that means Michonne might be killed off. They could of course but Andrea's role had been split up between various characters. I also think she like Rick and Daryl are likely safe until the actors want to leave. If anything I see Maggie being killed due to the contract issue between Cohan and AMC. Or maybe Carol since Eziekel is still alive. They take the Rick and Andrea roles on that death front. Maybe even flip it so he dies as the Andrea depending on how things play out.
I liked it, aside from the weight they threw at that ridiculous scene at the end with Maggie and Daryl... and Jesus too? Unless he's just there so he can talk them out of it later or sell them out eventually, but why invite him to such a conversation in the first place knowing he's all about preserving life? Whatever, just totally bizarre making it sound so sinister when all they want to do is kill Negan when nobody is looking. ok, don't make it out to be this huge heel turn when it's not.
I liked the ep quite a bit actually.
I thought for a sec they were killing Neegan, and that would have destroyed the whole Carl arc, but naratively they made the right choice, although I can't imagine JDM being on the payroll for more than 2-3 eps next season.
That is, unless Maggie's plan is to free him and let him attempt to restart the Saviors to "show Rick"... But that would be really dumb.
I think the more likely way it'll unfold is either a covert assassination, but even more likely Maggie pushing for Neegan's trial which she might hope will end with two results: Neegan's being put to death, and the sidelining of Rick and Michonne as leaders of the survivors, as now Alexandria is in ashes and the only two viable communities (Hilltop and The Kingdom) have their own leaders.
Kinda leaves the Saviors out for grabs I guess, but I figured Laura seemed to be taking on the role (and it would make sense they would feel better and less resentful if one of them was leading).
I think either way it'll end with Neegan's death, and a possible attempt to exile Rick and Michonne from the Hilltop.
Nice way to shake things up: Rick, Michonne, Carol and Daryl (who of course will turn when Maggie goes after Rick himself) get back on the road, leaving the communities behind, to explore the helicopter thing.
Would be tough for Rick to leave Judith behind, but it would obviously be for the best for her.
I thought for a sec they were killing Neegan, and that would have destroyed the whole Carl arc, but naratively they made the right choice, although I can't imagine JDM being on the payroll for more than 2-3 eps next season.
That is, unless Maggie's plan is to free him and let him attempt to restart the Saviors to "show Rick"... But that would be really dumb.
I think the more likely way it'll unfold is either a covert assassination, but even more likely Maggie pushing for Neegan's trial which she might hope will end with two results: Neegan's being put to death, and the sidelining of Rick and Michonne as leaders of the survivors, as now Alexandria is in ashes and the only two viable communities (Hilltop and The Kingdom) have their own leaders.
Kinda leaves the Saviors out for grabs I guess, but I figured Laura seemed to be taking on the role (and it would make sense they would feel better and less resentful if one of them was leading).
I think either way it'll end with Neegan's death, and a possible attempt to exile Rick and Michonne from the Hilltop.
Nice way to shake things up: Rick, Michonne, Carol and Daryl (who of course will turn when Maggie goes after Rick himself) get back on the road, leaving the communities behind, to explore the helicopter thing.
Would be tough for Rick to leave Judith behind, but it would obviously be for the best for her.
Yeah I kinda hope she doesn't return just to see how they explain it.
It was decent. Not the best but for this season I'll take it I guess. I nearly died laughing when Sith Lord Maggie appeared. So dumb.
That's what I don't get. They kill Carl but keep Negan alive despite the significance of their relationship in the comic. And of course Carl plays a HUGE role in the conflict with the Whisperers.
Somone give me a better understanding:
What do Daryl, Jesus and Megan want with Rick and why?
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the whole "Eugene becoming a Savior" thing never even happened in the comics if I remember correctly.
This is exactly why the scene is so poorly done. Bottom line is they don't agree with Rick's decision to keep Negan alive, so they're going to kill Negan when the time is right. There's a lot of superfluous dialogue that almost makes it sound like they're going to make Rick regret it or some nonsense, total out of character moment for everyone involved.
It also depended on Negan not being smart enough to do his own testing of the ammunition before going into battle instead of just accepting the gun Eugene gave him as representative of the quality of the entire stockpile.
The thing is, Negan is smart, he thinks very strategically and he already had reason to doubt Eugene.
Oh, I thought they wanted to take the "lead" from Rick and Michonne or something. I also at first thought Rick killed Negan when he sliced his throat and Megan etc. wanted to keep Negan alive lol