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KratosEnergyDrink

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So these versions play exactly like the originals? I don't think this will go well with todays audience?

Honestly Shenmue was was a nice game in "the old times" but misses many convenient features that are common these days. It will end up like the Banjo-Triology where seemingly many people did not try the 2 and 3 game after get frustrated by the first.
 

DavidDesu

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Oct 29, 2017
5,718
Glasgow, Scotland
So these versions play exactly like the originals? I don't think this will go well with todays audience?

Honestly Shenmue was was a nice game in "the old times" but misses many convenient features that are common these days. It will end up like the Banjo-Triology where seemingly many people did not try the 2 and 3 game after get frustrated by the first.

Modernised controls are being put in which I think is the main point of contention for newer players. I don't remember waiting all too much when I played the game back in the day, and there's lots of distractions. It's kind of part of the game. Not any worse than having to redo missions in GTAV where you're having to travel to point A to begin the mission proper or whatever and have to repeat everytime you die. That's been blown way out of proportion I think.

People will balk at some of the graphics and yeah some of the English voice acting is shocking, but does give the game some comedic charm (unintentional perhaps but it's one element to why many of us love the thing). The game really is not that out of date. Nintendo sold millions of the NES Classic and many of those games are hideous to play these days, thing still sold out and everyone seemed pretty happy with it.
 

Delta_Reg

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Nov 13, 2017
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I wasn't sure about this and I've seen it mentioned in a few places as if it was definitely happening... but nowhere seemed certain. I checked with Sega, so here's your confirmation either way: No time skip in Shenmue 1: https://www.vg247.com/2018/04/16/no-shenmue-1-hd-isnt-adding-time-skip-option/
I think this was a mistake from Sega, assuming it is possible for them to add this. The no time skip of Shenmue 1 was always a pretty common complaint, I feel like adding in a time skip option similar to Shenmue 2 could go a long way to keeping people interested in continuing the story.

Also, if it's true there will be no save transfer from 1+2 to 3 that would definitely feel like a missed opportunity to me.
 

Spaghetti

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Dec 2, 2017
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Modernised controls are being put in which I think is the main point of contention for newer players. I don't remember waiting all too much when I played the game back in the day, and there's lots of distractions. It's kind of part of the game. Not any worse than having to redo missions in GTAV where you're having to travel to point A to begin the mission proper or whatever and have to repeat everytime you die. That's been blown way out of proportion I think.

People will balk at some of the graphics and yeah some of the English voice acting is shocking, but does give the game some comedic charm (unintentional perhaps but it's one element to why many of us love the thing). The game really is not that out of date. Nintendo sold millions of the NES Classic and many of those games are hideous to play these days, thing still sold out and everyone seemed pretty happy with it.
A good response, and I agree that complaints about the waiting are largely blown out of proportion.

There's nothing really very controversial about the game giving you downtime to explore what else it offers outside the main story, unless you're so totally disengaged from the side activities that a round of darts is suddenly a bridge too far.
 

CesareNorrez

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Oct 25, 2017
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Darts is really fun. I put a lot time into that minigame and I loved checking out the scores on the Passport. Really hope they do some version of it.
 
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Sucks that time skip won't be a feature in 1, but perhaps it could be modded into the PC version? Semi-related, but maybe we should get people to try out Shenmue 2 first if they're new? I know this sounds backwards, but I played 2 first and then played 1 way back then, and I enjoyed 2 a lot more.

So these versions play exactly like the originals? I don't think this will go well with todays audience?

It will end up like the Banjo-Triology where seemingly many people did not try the 2 and 3 game after get frustrated by the first.

This is what I'm afraid of. I remember once making a friend play 1 before 2 and he gave up and never bothered trying out 2.
 

Iwao

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It's cheaper over at 365games.

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Spaghetti

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Dec 2, 2017
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Sucks that time skip won't be a feature in 1, but perhaps it could be modded into the PC version? Semi-related, but maybe we should get people to try out Shenmue 2 first if they're new? I know this sounds backwards, but I played 2 first and then played 1 way back then, and I enjoyed 2 a lot more.
Cheat engine may have some functionality to speed the game up, but don't expect someone to hack the Shenmue II time skip function in part-and-parcel. I suppose if the debug tools are accessible it might be possible with the same risks that come with activating them on the Dreamcast betas, but I'd still be wary of using them in case it breaks something in the scripting.

As for telling people to skip right to Shenmue II... I don't totally agree, but I get the sentiment. I usually tell people if they like the idea of Shenmue but really can't get along with the pacing of the original, skipping to II and watching the digest movie is the best move to make, but I think it's crucial for them to at least try out the original first. I don't want to believe the majority of people are just that impatient, and you sometimes get people actually preferring the original due to the intimacy and home-town nature of the environment and story.
 

Huey

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Oct 27, 2017
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you put stock in what dudebros, youtubers, and Facebookers think about particular games?

I heard what you're saying, but I'm just anticipating seeing this beloved gem time travel forward 20 years into a world that's very different from the one it released in (which it's important to remember, it also flopped in lol).

Will their opinions matter? Not to me personally, but they will matter to it's financial success, they will matter to it's creator Yu Suzuki, and they may matter to Sega's willingness to do these remasters in the future. So it's bigger than just the harsh opinions of dudebros and youtubers.

Anyways, I'm obviously getting ahead of myself, but I really can't see it playing out any other way. I'd love to be wrong on this.
 

Metalgus

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Oct 27, 2017
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So what's our expectations regarding loading times? It's been a long long time since I played the games but I remember the loading screens being awefully long. Could they be shortened in half? That would be reasonable.
 

Sirank

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Oct 27, 2017
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Darts is really fun. I put a lot time into that minigame and I loved checking out the scores on the Passport. Really hope they do some version of it.

I remember playing a lot of QTE title. It could get pretty intense. lol

Having the Passport would be really smart. Made the game feel connected in a way. I think Shanmue was the first game I remember having online leaderboards for the minigames. Plus I really liked being able to see every little statistic like how many steps you had taken, how many objects you had looked at, how long you trained moves, how much your kitten had grown etc.
 

Suede

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So what's our expectations regarding loading times? It's been a long long time since I played the games but I remember the loading screens being awefully long. Could they be shortened in half? That would be reasonable.
With the hardware we have now, it should take mere seconds. I would be shocked if it didn't.
 
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I wonder if the release is actually closer than we think. If they're adding achievements already, maybe we could see it coming out in 1/2 months? Wishful thinking, I know, but it would be awesome.
 

Romain

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Oct 27, 2017
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Has anybody mentioned Haruki Satomi's behavior during the Shenmue segment of the SEGA Fes livestream? I rewatched it today and was shocked by how disrespectful he was towards SEGA Europe's John Clark. He made fun of his belly and of the way he sounded when he tried to speak Japanese at the end. That was pretty mean spirited.

Starts at 56:20 in the video below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLHAMwGyDNE
 

Suede

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Has anybody mentioned Haruki Satomi's behavior during the Shenmue segment of the SEGA Fes livestream? I rewatched it today and was shocked by how disrespectful he was towards SEGA Europe's John Clark. He made fun of his belly and of the way he sounded when he tried to speak Japanese at the end. That was pretty mean spirited.

Starts at 56:20 in the video below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLHAMwGyDNE
Yeah, those moments were very awkward. John Clark looked pretty uncomfortable too.

Great. This should alleviate some of the "slowness" in the gameplay. I remember back then stopping myself from visiting this or that shop knowing I'd be looking at that screen for so long.
Yeah, I'm really excited to play them on much more powerful hardware. Quick load times, no slow down, better draw distance etc.
 

GhostTrick

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Oct 25, 2017
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Has anybody mentioned Haruki Satomi's behavior during the Shenmue segment of the SEGA Fes livestream? I rewatched it today and was shocked by how disrespectful he was towards SEGA Europe's John Clark. He made fun of his belly and of the way he sounded when he tried to speak Japanese at the end. That was pretty mean spirited.

Starts at 56:20 in the video below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLHAMwGyDNE


Considering how SEGA Japan treats SEGA Europe (like shit), is it really a surprise ?
 

Dooble

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Oct 28, 2017
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It is more odd that he asked what his role even is at Sega and mentioning Total War, which most Japanese players won't play. Similarly how western players likely won't play Border Break that was presented in the same livestream. I mean keeping their stuff so seperate isn't so ideal, but have it bunched together doesn't do it any favours imo.
 

DavidDesu

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Oct 29, 2017
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Glasgow, Scotland
Why are people talking about skipping Shenmue 1 altogether? Seriously that's just silly now.

If people can't handle an ever so slightly slower paced game then that's their problem. Don't we have RPGs that have 10 hour tutorials before you get into the meat of the game (and grinding the same crap over and over for tens of hours to progress)??? I think everyone can deal with Shenmue, let's calm it with the silly talk.
 

Spaghetti

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Dec 2, 2017
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Why are people talking about skipping Shenmue 1 altogether? Seriously that's just silly now.

If people can't handle an ever so slightly slower paced game then that's their problem. Don't we have RPGs that have 10 hour tutorials before you get into the meat of the game (and grinding the same crap over and over for tens of hours to progress)??? I think everyone can deal with Shenmue, let's calm it with the silly talk.
I think it's probably just a bit of worrisome hand-wringing over how the first game might be received.

Thinking about it though, I swear the starts to some Assassin's Creed games feel slower than the few spots of downtime between certain story events in Shenmue.
 

ParsnipForest

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Oct 27, 2017
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From memory, aren't you only made to wait a full day once, and maybe one or two half days depending on how you play? It can be annoying if you're not willing to meet the game on its own terms, but most people will just mess around and do optional stuff. I've seen streamers play Shenmue and prefer it to Shenmue II so I'm really not concerned -- I'm in the same boat. I would never recommend skipping the first game.

These re-releases should be viewed as precisely that: re-releases. They're not remakes, so banging on about updated graphics is missing the point. Much like most retro game collections, this is about preserving the original experience. These are important games in the history of video games and they deserve to be preserved in their original form. Imagine if they *did* replace all the textures, redid the lighting etc...there would be a tidal wave of backlash, fans would go mental. They're doing the right thing.
 

Suede

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I still prefer Shenmue I, to be honest. I love the location and it has some of my favourite fights/moments in the series (so far).
 

NervousXtian

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Oct 27, 2017
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Shenmue III is the most successful video game Kickstarter ever.

Did people spend that money because they are only pretending to like it?

Not likely.

I think a lot of people jumped on a hype train, yes. Shenmue is one of those games where the legend of it is far bigger than the game itself ever really was. It was really a niche product even when it launches.. and I knew a lot of people who were like WTF when it came out.

I do suggest people give it a try, it's a really unique experience.. but I don't think people new to the series will find it as interesting as we did when it released.
 

Spaghetti

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Ahhhhh the fights. I'm a huge proponent of the 70 man battle because of the sheer scope of it, but the fights in II always get my vote because of the variety/dynamic elements/ties to the story.
 

Virtua Sanus

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Unfortunate to hear about no time skip in the first game, but I likely never would have used it anyways. I know for some players it is not ideal to have to wait half an hour or so for the next day to come to get their chance at something basic so I hope people turned off by that at least try out Shenmue II instead of dropping the series altogether.

Realistically can we expect any significant gameplay changes beyond the controls? Some portions, like the stealth section or the stairs in the back of Dobuita in 1 and the thing that happens right at the end of the last fight in 2 are really really frustrating for me personally.

As for all of the comments about how modern gamers will be less forgiving about it's drawbacks, I actually think the opposite. Players going into this already know the games are old and have aged beyond just visuals. We also have many more comparable experiences to the game out there now, whereas back in the day many went in expecting a more traditional game and were disappointed. I could see it being a hit with fans of Life Is Strange, Deadly Premonition or David Cage's games, for example. PC gamers play loads of more slower paced games like point n click adventure games too, so I can see it resonating with many of them quite well. For what it is worth, I think this game's aged better than something like Metal Gear Solid 2 has, and newcomers enjoyed that just fine.
 

The Unsent

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Oct 25, 2017
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Shenmue = The Hobbit, 1 chapter
Shenmue II = Lord of the Rings, 3 chapters, much more grand in scope and beautiful.
 

Komarkaze

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Sorry if someone else posted about this before me.

I'm really not surprised there is no save transfer between Shenmue 2 and 3. The key factor preventing is a large portion of the collectibles are Sega properties like Sonic and Virtua Fighter. When YsNet licensed the Shenmue IP, it would have probably cost more money to get the Sega IP licenses too. It would take more work to parse our the Sega stuff from the collections to remove it, and people will be upset anyway, so no point in trying. Also not sure if YsNet were even aware of Sega's plans for releasing Shenmue 1&2 as that would take work coordinating save file compatibility between two different developers and publishers.
 

Delta_Reg

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Nov 13, 2017
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I love Shenmue 1 for its general atmosphere and feeling of home. I love Shenmue 2 for its sense of adventure, characters and story. Overall I slightly prefer Shenmue 2, but they're both good for different reasons. I couldn't imagine skipping either of them. They are two parts of a larger story, after all.
 

Iwao

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Oct 25, 2017
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Shenmue II is more my thing for the characters, diversity of environments, and the stranger in a strange land vibe.

Ren and Xiuying are more interesting to me than anyone in Yokosuka, but I suppose for different reasons.
 

Suede

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Agreed. I much prefer the more intimate setting and story of the first game. I love them both though.
Yeah, don't want to pit I & II against each other, II is amazing too, just the idea of people skipping I makes me a little sad. Please don't skip it, people. :(

Ahhhhh the fights. I'm a huge proponent of the 70 man battle because of the sheer scope of it, but the fights in II always get my vote because of the variety/dynamic elements/ties to the story.
The big building fight nearer the end of the game (trying to avoid spoiler territory as much as possible) is truly epic. One of my favourite moments in any video game. I left a save just before it starts so I could do it anytime I wanted.
 

Hieroph

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Also not sure if YsNet were even aware of Sega's plans for releasing Shenmue 1&2 as that would take work coordinating save file compatibility between two different developers and publishers.

Yeah. There's every reason to believe that Shenmue III was already a long way in development before Sega decided to go through with the collection.
 
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Shenmue I is a totally unique game while Shenmue II feels like the template for modern third person cinematic action games, so I can see why you'd like Shenmue I more.

But dat yellowhead assault omg hng
 

Virtua Sanus

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Nov 24, 2017
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I'm really not surprised there is no save transfer between Shenmue 2 and 3. The key factor preventing is a large portion of the collectibles are Sega properties like Sonic and Virtua Fighter. When YsNet licensed the Shenmue IP, it would have probably cost more money to get the Sega IP licenses too. It would take more work to parse our the Sega stuff from the collections to remove it, and people will be upset anyway, so no point in trying. Also not sure if YsNet were even aware of Sega's plans for releasing Shenmue 1&2 as that would take work coordinating save file compatibility between two different developers and publishers.
It depends on how they were to handle it, but SEGA could give them access to the IPs for free if they wanted to. Deep Silver has a good relationship with SEGA too so I do not think that would be a problem if they wanted to do it.

Getting all of those awesome SEGA figures and playing their classic arcade games were a huge part of the appeal of Shenmue for me so it is unfortunate if we might not see any of that return in III, but I guess most of the game takes place in locations that would not have many electronics or anything related.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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The real quality of life improvement Shenmue 1 needs is to improve or better explain the instant save feature.
You can save Shenmue at any time but the game will then kick you out to the title screen.
When you load that save, the game will put you back where you were but it will delete the save you just loaded.
If you save it again in the same way, you're all good. But if you just turn off the console, that save is gone.
You can create a permanent reloadable save when you return to your bed each night.

Shenmue II uses a much more conventional save system with 3 slots and you can save at any time.

I'm not sure if the Shenmue 1 system adds to the game or not. I just ignored the instant save which lead me to always saving at the end of each day.
The game has a real sense of routine every time you boot the game it's the start a of a new day.
 

Prine

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Has Yu come out yet on his personal feelings on this move by Sega?
 
Oct 30, 2017
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Honestly wouldn't be that surprised if Yu Suzuki didn't want them to alter any gameplay in the first two games. I'm sure he advised them to an extent.
 

Spaghetti

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Has Yu come out yet on his personal feelings on this move by Sega?
No. Probably won't get asked about it until he surfaces to talk about III, considering how busy he is.

Honestly wouldn't be that surprised if Yu Suzuki didn't want them to alter any gameplay in the first two games. I'm sure he advised them to an extent.
I kind of feel the opposite. He was informed ahead of this announcement (as now clear from his response to the Shenmue HD question at MAGIC), but I think commitments to Shenmue III and general avoidance of stomping over old ground probably mean it didn't go any further than that.

Although you never know. Maybe he's been interviewed for a bonus feature.
 

IrishNinja

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Oct 27, 2017
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No. Probably won't get asked about it until he surfaces to talk about III, considering how busy he is.

I kind of feel the opposite. He was informed ahead of this announcement (as now clear from his response to the Shenmue HD question at MAGIC), but I think commitments to Shenmue III and general avoidance of stomping over old ground probably mean it didn't go any further than that.

Although you never know. Maybe he's been interviewed for a bonus feature.

literally can't wait to hear from him on this - i imagine he'll be excited to finally see this happen & more people be on board/excited for 3 as well
 

Lindsay

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Nov 4, 2017
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If nothing else I'd rather a time pause feature than a skip one. Days always felt like they flew by far to fast. Stupid curfew I just wanna stay up doing more stuffs~
 

Conrad Link

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Oct 29, 2017
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Really happy about this, I played the original on DC back when it first came out and always meant to play the second one some day. I've literally had the Xbox version (also have my PAL DC copy, but I prefer the English voices) sitting on my shelf intending to play for like, well over a decade lol. Honestly it is still sitting there, I'm looking at it right now. XD

More recently I was hoping I could play it on Xbox One through BC eventually but this is cool too, especially because they're doing a physical release of it!
 

Akasaki

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Oct 27, 2017
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I hope the PC version allows for modding. Both games would be amazing with a complete texture overhaul.
Really happy to see it coming to PC after so long. Pre-ordered 3, will do the same with these 2.
 
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