Ys VIII: Lacrimosa of DANA |OT| Adol Christian and Dana's Big Hole

Deleted member 11413 · Apr 17, 2018

Barnabot said:
is Switch port gonna suck that much as PC too? Or Switch now has become an easier system to port PS4 games over PC too?

NIS (the Japanese parent company) is handling the Switch port, not NISA. They've commissioned a number of Switch ports already (Disgaea 5, Longest 5 Minutes, Penny Punching Princess) and all of them have been good ports. I wouldn't worry about that one too much

Durante · Apr 17, 2018

Lozange said:
In theory the switch port should be a lot better

I mean, this depends on your goal function, and on what happens with the PC port until then. E.g. it currently looks like the Switch version runs at 30 FPS, while the PC version runs at 120 FPS on a fast gaming PC. The PC version also has the same graphical quality as the PS4 Pro version at least (hopefully the resolution limits are fixed and then it's higher) -- the Switch won't.
If they can fix the crash issues and controls (the latter should be trivial) the PC version should be definite. Of course, the Switch always has portability going for it.

Thuddert · Apr 17, 2018

Lozange said:
In theory the switch port should be a lot better, if only because it will need to get through Nintendo's Quality Assurance (Steam for example has no such equivalent). But also that port will be handled by NIS, not NISA, so different people will be involved.

That doesn't mean much when there's questionable stuff on switch that completely bypassed QA.

Yunyo · Apr 17, 2018

Dio Over Heaven said:
http://blog.esuteru.com/archives/9095356.html

Looks like Hachima got a hold of it. Hope it blows up in JP news even more.

At this time I see 376 comments from Japanese posters.

Last time Ys 8's fuckups (the bad TL) via NISA happened and it was on Hachima the apology came out and they fixed the TL. let's hope shit happens again.

Wow, this has close to 1100 comments. For news about Falcom games that's pretty rare for Hachima. Usually that level of comments is reserved for platform fanboy wars.

Lozange · Apr 17, 2018

Durante said:
I mean, this depends on your goal function, and on what happens with the PC port until then. E.g. it currently looks like the Switch version runs at 30 FPS, while the PC version runs at 120 FPS on a fast gaming PC. The PC version also has the same graphical quality as the PS4 Pro version at least (hopefully the resolution limits are fixed and then it's higher) -- the Switch won't.
If they can fix the crash issues and controls (the latter should be trivial) the PC version should be definite. Of course, the Switch always has portability going for it.

Thuddert said:
That doesn't mean much when there's questionable stuff on switch that completely bypassed QA.

Welp, optimism is dead, good points all around. D:
I stand by the idea that in terms of stability, the switch port should be better than this initial pc version though. For what little that's worth. But yeah waiting for reviews is probably a good idea.

SaberVS7 · Apr 17, 2018

Yunyo said:
Wow, this has close to 1100 comments. For news about Falcom games that's pretty rare for Hachima. Usually that level of comments is reserved for platform fanboy wars.

Looking at the comments Google Translated it looks like a platform war to me. Seen some "Betrayalton"-ish comments concerning the Switch port existing. Among other things.

flyinj · Apr 17, 2018

Japan does platform wars as well? I thought that was just a weird US thing.

Deleted member 2585 · Apr 17, 2018

flyinj said:
Japan does platform wars as well? I thought that was just a weird US thing.

Tribalism is universal

Palette Swap · Apr 17, 2018

SaberVS7 said:
Looking at the comments Google Translated it looks like a platform war to me. Seen some "Betrayalton"-ish comments concerning the Switch port existing. Among other things.

There's also a shitload of comments making fun of NIS.

SaberVS7 · Apr 17, 2018

Palette Swap said:
There's also a shitload of comments making fun of NIS.

Yeah, the way I've heard it, NIS has a reputation for being a Kusoge developer in Japan, and TBH from what I've played of their catalog I'm inclined to agree.

Also see quite a few (Japanese) comments concerned about the Switch version because of this as well as the apparent 30FPS lock on it.

Shizuka · Apr 17, 2018

Barnabot said:
is Switch port gonna suck that much as PC too? Or Switch now has become an easier system to port PS4 games over PC too?

It's 30fps on Switch. Do you care about performance?

Deleted member 11986 · Apr 17, 2018

Shizuka said:
It's 30fps on Switch. Do you care about performance?

I plan get on PC first. Still don't know if Switch can't really handle 60 fps with some optimzation in code or NIS is porting it in 30fps by vanity.

pleaseinsertdisctwo · Apr 17, 2018

eXistor said:
The only thing going agaist it imo is the art-style. It just looks like a generic anime. Not that Ys is well known for its amazing art or anything, but the old ones at least had a somewhat classic anime feel. Also I feel like the story is a bit too childish with some really bad jokes thrown in here and there. Again, Ys isn't really known for having amazing stories, but I'd rather it just be a classic, basic story than this overly dramatic stereotypical schlock. Outside of that it's one of the best Ys games I've played, way better than Seven or Celceta.

You know what yeah it's the art style mostly, now that I think about it. It's not as butt-ugly as Celceta's but it's still generic. I vastly prefer older Ys art styles, including Seven's.

Eila · Apr 17, 2018

Got my money back. Feels good.

deltabreak · Apr 17, 2018

Someone from the falcom discord found a way to get the game to render at 1080p instead of 4k, and it's running 10fps higher for me with that exe.

StereoVSN · Apr 17, 2018

Lord of Ostia said:
If you are going to be playing Ys VIII on PS4, there is no reason to wait. The localization has been fixed, the game runs very well on PS4. Unless you are avoiding the game to take a stance against NISA, you should go ahead and buy it on PS4 if you really want to play it.

I am avoiding paying full price for that because I am upset at NISA, indeed. Hence I am going to wait till I can get it for $30 or less. It's not like there are no other games to play.

StereoVSN · Apr 17, 2018

Lozange said:
Welp, optimism is dead, good points all around. D:
I stand by the idea that in terms of stability, the switch port should be better than this initial pc version though. For what little that's worth. But yeah waiting for reviews is probably a good idea.

One thing to consider is that by the time Switch version releases, hopefully PC version will be patched up and on discount during July Steam sale.

Deleted member 11413 · Apr 17, 2018

StereoVSN said:
I am avoiding paying full price for that because I am upset at NISA, indeed. Hence I am going to wait till I can get it for $30 or less. It's not like there are no other games to play.

Sure, can't blame you for that. You should eventually play it though, it's one of the best Ys titles

Deleted member 13560 · Apr 17, 2018

marshmallow said:
Someone from the falcom discord found a way to get the game to render at 1080p instead of 4k, and it's running 10fps higher for me with that exe.

That's a very low boost in FPS compared to such a high drop in resolution. That doesn't sound right at all.

deltabreak · Apr 17, 2018

Rayge said:
That's a very low boost in FPS compared to such a high drop in resolution. That doesn't sound right at all.

Yeah, but he did mention shadows still render at 4096x4096 and the like.

Puffy · Apr 17, 2018

I want to buy this on PS4 but it never drops in price. I might bite after GOW

Chacranajxy · Apr 17, 2018

Apparently, a patch went live. Anyone seen improvements?

NeroPaige · Apr 17, 2018

Mifec said:
They delayed it that much, still has issues and they want 54,99€ for it?

Bold strategy.

Deleted member 26768 · Apr 17, 2018

Chacranajxy said:
Apparently, a patch went live. Anyone seen improvements?

https://steamcommunity.com/app/579180/discussions/2/3288067088104562396/

PATCH NOTES 4/17/18
Good morning everyone, we have a new build for you today! It contains the following fixes:

VSync enabled
Fixed a bug that was causing excessive resources being used polling controllers
Improved Bluetooth controller functionality
Misc French UI/text fixes

We have plenty more fixes in the works, stay tuned for further details!

Alex

Deleted member 300 · Apr 17, 2018

marshmallow said:
Someone from the falcom discord found a way to get the game to render at 1080p instead of 4k, and it's running 10fps higher for me with that exe.

yea its a hex edit

Zafir · Apr 17, 2018

Wonder if and when they'll bother throwing updates out for the GOG version.

Deleted member 13560 · Apr 17, 2018

What's the order that I should play these games on STEAM and are there any missing? I figured if I play all of them in order, Ys VIII should be fixed by then.

TK_Shrodes · Apr 17, 2018

Zafir said:
Wonder if and when they'll bother throwing updates out for the GOG version.

Working on it.

Deleted member 2585 · Apr 17, 2018

We don't have SteamSpy data anymore, but we do have concurrent users. Peak concurrent users are usually when the game launches (Trails in the Sky is probably an exception, because it was in the Humble Monthly once IIRC). Looks like Ys VIII is performing about as well as Tokyo Xanadu and Ys SEVEN. Although I'd imagine that there might be more Ys VIII refunds than refunds for the other two games.

Thanks for piecing my screenshots together Astrael

Chacranajxy · Apr 17, 2018

Rayge said:
What's the order that I should play these games on STEAM and are there any missing? I figured if I play all of them in order, Ys VIII should be fixed by then.

I always recommend that people start with Oath in Felghana. It's one of the best games in the series, and it's easy to get into. The storylines are pretty self-contained, so don't worry about continuity.

Zafir · Apr 17, 2018

ToraShiro said:
Working on it.

That's good to know, thanks.

QisTopTier · Apr 17, 2018

Rayge said:
What's the order that I should play these games on STEAM and are there any missing? I figured if I play all of them in order, Ys VIII should be fixed by then.

1+2, Neph, oath, origin, seven

I personally REALLY don't like Neph

Lozange · Apr 17, 2018

Rayge said:
What's the order that I should play these games on STEAM and are there any missing? I figured if I play all of them in order, Ys VIII should be fixed by then.

There are generally two accepted orders:
Gameplay release order (which would be ys1 and 2, ys VI Ark of Napishtim, ys oath in Felghana, ys origins, ys seven, the upcoming port ys memories of Celceta, and then ys VIII), or actual release order ignoring remakes (ys 1 and 2, Oath, Celceta, Ark, Origins, Seven, VIII). There's also chronological order, but that's a little weird for a few reasons and is generally not recommended.
If you don't care too much though, you can basically start anywhere, except for ys 2 which is a direct sequel. The games are fairly independent otherwise, that just so happen to have a bunch of references going on in the background, that you might notice if you play in release order.
The only games missing are, as mentioned, the upcoming memories of celceta port, and ys V because it's in all likelihood probably going to be remade soon. Don't worry about the latter.

QisTopTier · Apr 17, 2018

Lozange said:
There are generally two accepted orders:
Gameplay release order (which would be ys1 and 2, ys VI Ark of Napishtim, ys oath in Felghana, ys origins, ys seven, the upcoming port ys memories of Celceta, and then ys VIII), or actual release order ignoring remakes (ys 1 and 2, Oath, Celceta, Ark, Origins, Seven, VIII). There's also chronological order, but that's a little weird for a few reasons and is generally not recommended.
If you don't care too much though, you can basically start anywhere, except for ys 2 which is a direct sequel. The games are fairly independent otherwise, that just so happen to have a bunch of references going on in the background, that you might notice if you play in release order.
The only games missing are, as mentioned, the upcoming memories of celceta port, and ys V because it's in all likelihood probably going to be remade soon. Don't worry about the latter.

I'd say there is a lot of stuff that goes over your head or not as impactful if you don't play 1 + 2 before origin

1 is pretty rough specially towards the end but imo 2 is one of the best games in the series

Vault · Apr 17, 2018

Rayge said:
What's the order that I should play these games on STEAM and are there any missing? I figured if I play all of them in order, Ys VIII should be fixed by then.

Remakes of the original 2
YS 1-2 chronicles - these are the only games that are connected play them first.

series at its peak
YS 6 The Ark of Napishtim - the series revival in a new engine
YS Oath of Felghana - remake of the third game and considered one of the best in the series
YS Origin - a prequel to the first games best gameplay in the series

PSP era
YS 7 - start of new combat system
YS Memories of Celceta- Remake of 4

5 is on the SNES and it's awful so hopefully that is next on the remake list

Lozange · Apr 17, 2018

QisTopTier said:
I'd say there is a lot of stuff that goes over your head or not as impactful if you don't play 1 + 2 before origin

1 is pretty rough specially towards the end but imo 2 is one of the best games in the series

Yeah my opinion on this is to try and give Ys 1 and 2 a go before origins, BUT, if the games aren't clicking, don't skip over origins. Even without the ys 1 and 2 stuff, it's still one of the best games in the series.
.. I'm sure some people will disagree though, so it's up to you to some extent.

Vault · Apr 17, 2018

1-2 are pretty short my completion time is about 7-8 hours each

QisTopTier · Apr 17, 2018

Hell burn through ys 1 on the easiest setting with a guide just to get some context and lead to 2 if you have to :P But damn is the gameplay of 2 a freaking masterpiece of the simple gameplay style it was

Lazrgatr · Apr 17, 2018

nivorae said:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/579180/discussions/2/3288067088104562396/

PATCH NOTES 4/17/18
Good morning everyone, we have a new build for you today! It contains the following fixes:

VSync enabled

Fixed a bug that was causing excessive resources being used polling controllers

Improved Bluetooth controller functionality

Misc French UI/text fixes

We have plenty more fixes in the works, stay tuned for further details!

Alex

Meh I guess I will just wait until they finish patching it up and the game gets a huge discount.

Odds are good Celceta will be out before then too.

Deleted member 26768 · Apr 17, 2018

Lazrgatr said:
Meh I guess I will just wait until they finish patching it up and the game gets a huge discount.

Odds are good Celceta will be out before then too.

Guess the memes of Celceta releasing first will be real after all.

Thuddert · Apr 17, 2018

Lozange said:
Yeah my opinion on this is to try and give Ys 1 and 2 a go before origins, BUT, if the games aren't clicking, don't skip over origins. Even without the ys 1 and 2 stuff, it's still one of the best games in the series.
.. I'm sure some people will disagree though, so it's up to you to some extent.

It's Origin tho :P

Lozange · Apr 17, 2018

Thuddert said:
It's Origin tho :P

... Well shit. I'M SORRY FALCOM

Deleted member 26768 · Apr 17, 2018

Thuddert said:
It's Origin tho :P

y'S OriginS

Deleted member 300 · Apr 17, 2018

well the patch has stopped any crashes for me

Pyros Eien · Apr 17, 2018

The problem imo with recommending 1-2 first is while they're nice for the story and stuff, they're pretty rough to play, especially 1. They play very differently from the rest of the series and aged not in the greatest way. I started with Oath and I don't regret it because it gives you a very good taste of what the Ys games are about(well the more modern one), with cool action combat and stuff. I'd probably recommend that as a start, then do 1-2 > Origin. And as mentionned, you could skip 1-2 and just play Origin too, that'd work.

Theswweet · Apr 17, 2018

I played through I+II earlier this year, and I actually vastly preferred I over II.

Deleted member 26768 · Apr 17, 2018

Theswweet said:
I played through I+II earlier this year, and I actually vastly preferred I over II.

II felt like a slug with the even worse maps i was so glad to find someone actually drew maps of everything when playing. And most bosses only being vulnerable to magic grew old real quick imo. I actually liked the 'bumper car' gameplay.

Dreamboum · Apr 17, 2018

Ys 1 and 2 are great. Bump gameplay can never be rough, it's still the most engaging I've been in an Ys game.

My sole big remark is 2 being too long with huge maps that made me annoyed sometimes

Theswweet · Apr 17, 2018

Solomon Shrine was a mistake.

OrinX · Apr 17, 2018

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Okay...so they put the controller prompt options under the display options.... and they dont even say PS//Xbox/Keyboard. It's Symbols/Letters/Numbers.

Dear god. How do you even...Well, now that my controls arent ass, its time to play.

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