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cLOUDo

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Oct 28, 2017
2,188
i think maggie
will be cover the story of Sherry from the comic.
is a easy way to get rid of the actress if she isn't renew her contract
 

Deleted member 16025

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Oct 27, 2017
1,506
Overall this past season was pretty terrible. The last two episodes picked up, but the bar was already so low it sort of didn't matter. And like everyone said, I hated the heel turn for Maggie, Jesus, and Daryl because it was just so DUMB and unlike them. The writers on this show are just bad. I wish there could be a complete re-staffing with talented people who could make the show into a smarter experience overall. Its a total soap opera at times now.
 

jelly

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
33,841
The show is being written and produced to be made on the cheap, do the least work for maximum profit with no care for the story or characters. Glad the finale had weak viewer numbers. The show is just a hack job run by greedy suits and the producers revealing in the money maker with their easy slice. It's all one big circle jerk with marketing BS.
 

Maven

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,076
Earth
They've already said that it won't be.



No one knows what to expect really, but in the comic
the story picks up years later and all the communities are thriving, etc. when a new threat emerges in the form of the nomadic Whisperers - a group of people who, in addition to eschewing possessions and names, live in the wild and wear zombie skins. They freely walk around with the zombies and have a gigantic herd they can manipulate. Carl and Lydia (the daughter of the Whisperers' female leader Alpha) fall in love, prompting Rick to go into Whisperer territory to bring him back, which causes Alpha (who has snuck into Alexandria as a spy) to kill a bunch of Rick's friends in retaliation for crossing their border. Rick gets captured and once Alpha returns to the Whisperer camp, has a talk with Alpha where she disses his ideology and threatens him with her herd. As Rick and Carl are leaving, Lydia confesses that she isn't happy living with the Whisperers (they're all about survival of the fittest and shit) and wants to know if she can go with them - an angry Alpha allows it. Alpha says that if they cross their border again, the Whisperers will send the herd toward their communities. On the way back, Rick and Carl see all the people Alpha killed earlier, including Rosita and Ezekiel, and Rick vows revenge against the Whisperers.

Meanwhile, Negan is sort of reformed after having spent years in prison, but some idiot dude lets him out of the prison cell in the hopes that Negan will join forces with the Whisperers to defeat Rick because Rick killed his dad or something. Negan is like "okay fine". The guy takes Negan to the general area where the Whisperers are, but Negan kills him before he walks into the Whisperer camp. The Whisperers accept Negan because he's tough, but Negan doesn't agree with their barbaric way of life. Still, he hits it off with Alpha and just when you think they're setting up a romance between those two, Negan beheads Alpha. Negan returns to Rick with Alpha's head in a "look at what I did you can trust me now" kind of way.

There is a big battle between the Whisperers and Rick's people, which ends in the Whisperers unleashing the large herd and fleeing. Andrea (who is basically Rick's wife), Eugene, and some others lead the herd off a cliff. During this, Andrea gets bitten while saving Eugene and has an extended farewell (similar to Carl in the show) before dying. Rick and everyone else is sad.

That's the main storyline, but there are several smaller ones like the Saviors (lead by a woman) trying to take over again, Maggie becoming a tougher leader than Rick (she executes Gregory and beats the shit out of Rick for being weak), and Eugene communicating with a mysterious woman over the radio...



It's been the #1 show on cable for like 8 years, and the comics are still going strong, so a very long time.

Thanks for the spoilers. That will actually get me to watch every episode again.

But, after all that I want to see something different besides Alexandria and Hilltop. I'm f'n tired of it. Tell me about the helicopters next. What and who are they.

Is there going to be a purpose? Finding a cure? I want something different?

I miss the plot of everyone heading to DC to find a cure. Make this a reality or something similar to this.


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minus_me

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Oct 27, 2017
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Thanks for the spoilers. That will actually get me to watch every episode again.

But, after all that I want to see something different besides Alexandria and Hilltop. I'm f'n tired of it. Tell me about the helicopters next. What and who are they.

Is there going to be a purpose? Finding a cure? I want something different?

I miss the plot of everyone heading to DC to find a cure. Make this a reality or something similar to this.


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The comic just introduced the Commonwealth, a community of 50K people.
 
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RatskyWatsky

RatskyWatsky

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Oct 25, 2017
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But, after all that I want to see something different besides Alexandria and Hilltop. I'm f'n tired of it. Tell me about the helicopters next. What and who are they.

That isn't from the comic, but it might have something to do with what minus_me is talking about. Same with the old woman and her two female bodyguards we saw earlier in the season.

Is there going to be a purpose? Finding a cure?

Robert Kirkman said that will never happen.
 

Maven

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,076
Earth
That isn't from the comic, but it might have something to do with what minus_me is talking about. Same with the old woman and her two female bodyguards we saw earlier in the season.



Robert Kirkman said that will never happen.

Makes sense from a writers perspective to churn out more comic books. Boring, to me, as a viewer watching the show. Hmmm maybe I will be done with the show
 

Deleted member 17092

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Makes sense from a writers perspective to churn out more comic books. Boring, to me, as a viewer watching the show. Hmmm maybe I will be done with the show

I mean the cure is obviously a societal one and not a medical one. You already see that the walkers aren't really a threat if you have a peaceful society, as you then will generally know when people die and to properly take care of them so the don't become a threat. Human violence primarily creates more walkers that you can't account for. Sure there will be the occasional sudden death you don't know about, but generally that isn't going to collapse your entire community.
 
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RatskyWatsky

RatskyWatsky

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yeah, no. It's still the #1 rated show on cable, and the only cable program in the overall top 10. It's been dipping, but it's not anywhere near the 'cancellation zone.' It's still a monstrous ad vehicle.

I don't think people understand just how gigantic the show was and still is. It isn't just the biggest scripted show on cable - it's the biggest by a significant margin. Like, two weeks ago, the episode pulled a 4.4 in L+7 ratings. Looking at the chart, the next biggest was The Alienist with a 0.9. Most of the other scripted shows that managed to make the chart (of which there were few) were pulling in 0.6s.

Sure, ratings have dropped quite a bit, but even if the ratings were to fall to half of what they are now, it would still comfortably be #1.

The show is being written and produced to be made on the cheap, do the least work for maximum profit with no care for the story or characters. Glad the finale had weak viewer numbers. The show is just a hack job run by greedy suits and the producers revealing in the money maker with their easy slice. It's all one big circle jerk with marketing BS.

lol
 

ArkkAngel007

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
5,001
i think maggie
will be cover the story of Sherry from the comic.
is a easy way to get rid of the actress if she isn't renew her contract

I'd despise that almost as much as the Godfather scene from this finale, as it would rob the show of one of the strongest scenes in the comic.

After Negan is freed and banished as his 'reward' for his role in the Whisperer War, Maggie tracks him down to a farm house and is prepared to execute him. There he apologizes for all the wrong he'd done. He remembers Glenn's name and his horrified that Maggie's only real recollection of Glenn is his dying moment. And when he begs her to kill him, to end it all...she walks away, leaving him broken and alone with the horrors he committed.
 

cLOUDo

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
2,188
I'd despise that almost as much as the Godfather scene from this finale, as it would rob the show of one of the strongest scenes in the comic.

After Negan is freed and banished as his 'reward' for his role in the Whisperer War, Maggie tracks him down to a farm house and is prepared to execute him. There he apologizes for all the wrong he'd done. He remembers Glenn's name and his horrified that Maggie's only real recollection of Glenn is his dying moment. And when he begs her to kill him, to end it all...she walks away, leaving him broken and alone with the horrors he committed.


What number is that?
I haven't reached that far,lol
 
Oct 25, 2017
1,228
The whole season and lead up to the finally was garbage and not the Jadis kind. Oceanside and the trash people were just a giant waste of time. No stakes or consequences for anyone, even fucking Eugene playing the long game? Like at least signal it at some point, idk. i just feel for as many episodes there were, there was banrely any character development (except somehow letting Negan live because why again?). I love this show, I will continue watching it, but it is just so absurd some of the choices the characters make. Oh well, maybe with the new show runner we will get back on track with an actual plot and non-idiotic characters. Also, kill Gregory already good god.
 

UltimateHigh

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Oct 25, 2017
15,500
That scene with Maggie, Jesus and Daryl is gonna lead to some goddamn nonsense. But what else is new, right? smh

The overarching story line should be moving outside of their little worlds, and shifting all momentum to some big picture stuff, which i'd like to think those helicopter sightings (and maybe those women with the van) represent.

I just wish they stopped milking this shit and started barreling onward to a series finale already.
 

More_Badass

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Oct 25, 2017
23,623
That scene with Maggie, Jesus and Daryl is gonna lead to some goddamn nonsense. But what else is new, right? smh

The overarching story line should be moving outside of their little worlds, and shifting all momentum to some big picture stuff, which i'd like to think those helicopter sightings (and maybe those women with the van) represent.

I just wish they stopped milking this shit and started barreling onward to a series finale already.
Now that the junkyard group is dead and Jadis (I mean Ann) moved out of there and Morgan left, I bet we'll never see the junkyard or the helipad or their related helicopter ever again
 

ArkkAngel007

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
5,001
Of course they're milking it. You can probably expect another 4-5 seasons of bare-bones development (while adding even more characters), with moronic decisions designed to prolong the (our) suffering.

They just finished issue 126 of the show. Issue 179 releases in a couple of weeks. They have plenty of material set. The comics move along well with plenty of decent development. It hasn't reached that point yet where it's just spinning it's wheels.

Just because it's being poorly adapted/written doesn't define it as being milked. It just defines it as a very disappointing show.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I think they also need more variety with scenes with negan locked up, and not just Rick or Gabriel showing up every time. Having Maggie and company in play to do that will make those scenes more interesting.
 

Spectromixer

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
16,667
USA
I'd despise that almost as much as the Godfather scene from this finale, as it would rob the show of one of the strongest scenes in the comic.

After Negan is freed and banished as his 'reward' for his role in the Whisperer War, Maggie tracks him down to a farm house and is prepared to execute him. There he apologizes for all the wrong he'd done. He remembers Glenn's name and his horrified that Maggie's only real recollection of Glenn is his dying moment. And when he begs her to kill him, to end it all...she walks away, leaving him broken and alone with the horrors he committed.

I think they could still get to this point... probably wouldn't be next season knowing them though
 

mujun

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Nov 1, 2017
2,856
I don't know if I can deal with having to get through the arc. I wish that season 9 was about the .
 

ArkkAngel007

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
5,001
I just read through that whole arc. It's jam packed in a way that won't work for the show to spend just a season on. And TBH, the best thing the show can do now is actually spend time with the characters and fixing the mess they've left over the past few seasons.
 
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Maven

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Oct 27, 2017
2,076
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I mean the cure is obviously a societal one and not a medical one. You already see that the walkers aren't really a threat if you have a peaceful society, as you then will generally know when people die and to properly take care of them so the don't become a threat. Human violence primarily creates more walkers that you can't account for. Sure there will be the occasional sudden death you don't know about, but generally that isn't going to collapse your entire community.

Then blow them all away then!

I DO NOT WANT to see another f'n random bite on a character(Carl). It's f'n stupid.
 

TheBeardedOne

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
22,189
Derry
It's funny how a show about zombies is hardly about zombies anymore. They're almost never a threat and are put down with ease. Few ever get bitten unless someone aids it.

They also change at varying amounts of time. It was a lot faster early on, was it not?

But I guess there is a FTWD style herd shown in the finale

To be honest, I was expecting to have to post here and ask what they were looking at in the distance from that field. I couldn't see anything at all, and rewound it a couple of times to see if I'd missed something. Then it was shown later.
 

Deleted member 17092

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I'm tired of the stupid random bites and the tribe vs tribe war

They should know how to annihilate all the zombies by now

Shit is getting old watching it on tv

Sounds like you should stop watching it then. I think the show has majorly gone downhill, and part of that is because of how much the zombies are a complete non factor. Some sort of starvation based zombie frenzy element or something that makes them faster would make it more interesting.

I actually really liked the season finale, enough so that it could of been a series finale. It doesn't really feel like there's anywhere else to go, and just a straight up hand off to fear would make the most sense.
 

TheBeardedOne

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Oct 27, 2017
22,189
Derry
It's just the same formula over and over again. They move somewhere, then encounter an evil group who threatens them and must be dealt with. It's just that this particular group lasted for two drawn out and mostly boring seasons.

At least it was better than the awful Governor.
 

ElyrionX

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Jan 3, 2018
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TBH I'm not sure how much of the comics will be in play now after this season took a steaming dump on it with Carl's death and how they treated the characters throughout. For instance, there is no Maggie revolt behind the scenes, just some bitter acceptance that Glenn would prefer it this way.

However, here's what the landscape is in comics right after All Out War and what may happen (not including impossible things due to this season and others):

  • There's a 2 year jump. The communities are working together, though the Saviors keep to themselves mostly other than Dwight. Sherry and a few seek to no longer be a part of things and go their own way and rebel.
  • Gregory attempts to poison Maggie while plotting with Hilltoppers who were pissed at an incident between Carl, Sofia, and their violent kids. Enid could be a stand in possibly. Jesus saves her by witnessing the act. Maggie executes Gregory through hanging, breaking Rick's no killing rule.
  • A new group comes along. Some initial mistrust happens, particularly in finding Negan in a jail cell. Everything works out smoothly though. Introduces a solid lgbt couple.
  • Whisperers target the group when Dante (the good Savior who pleaded for Rick to give some Saviors a chance) and others come upon their territory. They are a group that behaves in a primal fashion with an Alpha and Beta. They wear walker skin suits so they can move among and weaponize herds, whispering to talk safely hence the name.
  • A young whisperer named Lydia is captured who doesn't want to return to be raped by the others all the time and live in that way. She became a lover for Carl, but this may end up going into Enid's court if they attempt this storyline still.
  • To keep people off their land, Alpha infiltrates a huge fair the community is throwing and kills a large number to spike their heads on the territory line. Ezekial and a pregnant Rosita (involved with Eugene but pregnant with Siddiq's kid) are among the several victims.
  • A man pissed at Rick sets Negan loose. Negan kills the man and seemingly joins the Whisperers to the kill Alpha and return to Rick with her head. Negan is allowed out under Dwights command and supervision. Maggie doesn't know of this as shes running Hilltop. This kicks off the war proper with Beta leading the assault.
  • Gabriel dies by Beta. Hilltop is burned down. Lucille is "killed" in a fight between Beta and Negan.
  • Michonne, Dwight, and others disguise themselves as Whisperers to get behind the "lines" and kill them and redirect the massive herd of thousands.
  • The war "ends" with only Beta and a couple others surviving and the massive herd bearing down on Alexandria. Sherry is plotting with sympathetic Saviors to rebel once Rick and co. get through this, and the new Kingdom leadership is also plotting agaist the status quo.
Things are hazy at the end as I can't find those issues

I left off much of what occurs after the next conflict as they have enough material likely for a season with it.

They've already said that it won't be.



No one knows what to expect really, but in the comic
the story picks up years later and all the communities are thriving, etc. when a new threat emerges in the form of the nomadic Whisperers - a group of people who, in addition to eschewing possessions and names, live in the wild and wear zombie skins. They freely walk around with the zombies and have a gigantic herd they can manipulate. Carl and Lydia (the daughter of the Whisperers' female leader Alpha) fall in love, prompting Rick to go into Whisperer territory to bring him back, which causes Alpha (who has snuck into Alexandria as a spy) to kill a bunch of Rick's friends in retaliation for crossing their border. Rick gets captured and once Alpha returns to the Whisperer camp, has a talk with Alpha where she disses his ideology and threatens him with her herd. As Rick and Carl are leaving, Lydia confesses that she isn't happy living with the Whisperers (they're all about survival of the fittest and shit) and wants to know if she can go with them - an angry Alpha allows it. Alpha says that if they cross their border again, the Whisperers will send the herd toward their communities. On the way back, Rick and Carl see all the people Alpha killed earlier, including Rosita and Ezekiel, and Rick vows revenge against the Whisperers.

Meanwhile, Negan is sort of reformed after having spent years in prison, but some idiot dude lets him out of the prison cell in the hopes that Negan will join forces with the Whisperers to defeat Rick because Rick killed his dad or something. Negan is like "okay fine". The guy takes Negan to the general area where the Whisperers are, but Negan kills him before he walks into the Whisperer camp. The Whisperers accept Negan because he's tough, but Negan doesn't agree with their barbaric way of life. Still, he hits it off with Alpha and just when you think they're setting up a romance between those two, Negan beheads Alpha. Negan returns to Rick with Alpha's head in a "look at what I did you can trust me now" kind of way.

There is a big battle between the Whisperers and Rick's people, which ends in the Whisperers unleashing the large herd and fleeing. Andrea (who is basically Rick's wife), Eugene, and some others lead the herd off a cliff. During this, Andrea gets bitten while saving Eugene and has an extended farewell (similar to Carl in the show) before dying. Rick and everyone else is sad.

That's the main storyline, but there are several smaller ones like the Saviors (lead by a woman) trying to take over again, Maggie becoming a tougher leader than Rick (she executes Gregory and beats the shit out of Rick for being weak), and Eugene communicating with a mysterious woman over the radio...



It's been the #1 show on cable for like 8 years, and the comics are still going strong, so a very long time.

Thanks guys. Think I'll be a casual viewer next season. I am actually glad they kept Negan alive. He was definitely the best part of the entire arc.
 

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Ya know, I ain't even mad.

The show has fallen off, but it's still entertaining enough for me to watch so long as they don't put on side character centric episodes to save on money.

I'mma be back next season.
 

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Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
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Phoenix, AZ
Just because the comics were designed to never end doesn't mean the show needs to follow the same philosophy - and it shouldn't. Ending the show without some kind of massive resolution, and a cure, would feel much like wasted time. Comics can go on forever, that's fine that's what they usually do, but TV franchises with a legacy of ensemble cast deserve more than "and they rebuilt society and lived happily ever after".

Plus eventually the show will surpass the comics, within a season hopefully and they don't need to be chained to Kirkman's material. It's the oppposite situation of GoT actually, because original content and storylines will massively benefit the show vs sticking to the comics.