The 4:3 cinematic news seems to come from Famitsu. I assume they were told that. I don't think it's bad news, honestly. That's not how the cutscenes were made.
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Shenmue I & II Remaster (8/21/2018; PC/PS4/XB1 - $29.99)
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Other than the dual audio news this re-release has seemed pretty underwhelming so far, got to be honest. If the cutscenes actually will be 4:3 that's pretty disappointing to me, it'll feel pretty jarring I think.
It's awesome Shenmue is back and I'm grateful for that, but I want this Shenmue 1 and 2 release to be as good as it can be, not just for me but even more so for newer fans to get onboard and help make Shenmue a success going forward. The Shenmue franchise and its fans deserve a good remaster, with all the features one could hope for, such as 16:9 widescreen for gameplay and cutscenes both, dual audio, yes optional Shenmue 1 timeskip, online leaderboards, 4k resolutions for PS4 Pro PC and XB1X, and importantly carrying over save data from Shenmue 1+2 forward to 3, as was Yu's original intention. Not saying these would be easy but these features should be possible given Sega has access to the original source code. It's not a matter of can they do it, it's will they put the time money and effort into it, and so far I don't feel they're going to that effort. I hope they'll prove me wrong.
It's awesome Shenmue is back and I'm grateful for that, but I want this Shenmue 1 and 2 release to be as good as it can be, not just for me but even more so for newer fans to get onboard and help make Shenmue a success going forward. The Shenmue franchise and its fans deserve a good remaster, with all the features one could hope for, such as 16:9 widescreen for gameplay and cutscenes both, dual audio, yes optional Shenmue 1 timeskip, online leaderboards, 4k resolutions for PS4 Pro PC and XB1X, and importantly carrying over save data from Shenmue 1+2 forward to 3, as was Yu's original intention. Not saying these would be easy but these features should be possible given Sega has access to the original source code. It's not a matter of can they do it, it's will they put the time money and effort into it, and so far I don't feel they're going to that effort. I hope they'll prove me wrong.
Ideally the remaster will sell a lot and they'll patch the game with those features. Your other option is to play the PC remaster and hope for some good mods.
I agree it shouldn't be labeled as such just yet, but it just seems that way so far. I wasn't one of those people clamoring for a shitty port just to have a chance to play this game. I already have a decent PC that runs Demul well and have been playing the DC version since 2000. I also have zero interest in updated controls. Just mapping the left analogue stick to also work with the right stick on modern controllers is all I wanted...
All I personally wanted was a 1080p fully widescreen remaster with updated visuals(not completely updated like shadow of the colossus, but updated like the xbox version of shenmue 2 without the horrible filters, maybe some nicer textures). Uncompressed audio, time skip in the first game, passport features, maybe online leaderboards or something cool like that... ya know, the normal stuff that similar game ports get. I also wanted a save transfer feature to Shen3 but I realize how unrealistic that is. So nothing too crazy but nothing lazy like aspect ratios changing mid game... I'm sorry but that's just laziness...
But again, I hope this all isn't true. I hope it all comes together really well and isn't as bad as what we were shown. I don't want changing aspect ratios or muddy textures, if that's the case then I'll prolly just stick with the DC version. Of course I'll platinum it just for the novelty of it all, but I'd rather it be the definitive version to play...
edit: wow deltareg took the words right out of my mouth lmfao
Assuming these remasters were announced to Yu and his team well after Shenmue III began development, this is pretty much a lost cause. I doubt they began development with this in mind. This is just wishful thinking and not something Sega has any control over. I'm sure it was his original intention 20 years ago, but obviously things changed.
I'd have a guess it is going to be pretty much a re-release on modern platforms. I can't see there being many features if any added to the port apart from a few easy implementations that don't need much QA work like texture tweaks, IQ improvements etc. Anything beyond that I would see this being branded as a remaster.
I'm expecting it to have a FPS cap and very limited resolution and graphics settings on PC with no support for 21:9 (really wouldn't expect that from it) etc. I'm hoping I'm proved wrong but I bet the scope is quite small for the re-release especially with D3T at the helm of the port.
I'm expecting it to have a FPS cap and very limited resolution and graphics settings on PC with no support for 21:9 (really wouldn't expect that from it) etc. I'm hoping I'm proved wrong but I bet the scope is quite small for the re-release especially with D3T at the helm of the port.
I guess the game could give you a bunch of options in the beginning. Maybe have a scene where the protagonist gets hit on the head and someone asks him if he remembers the past.
The whole game needs to be 16:9 or bust
All cutscenes are real time right? So why would they be unable to do widescreen if gameplay can be? Wouldn't you just be increasing the FOV to the sides basically
All cutscenes are real time right? So why would they be unable to do widescreen if gameplay can be? Wouldn't you just be increasing the FOV to the sides basically
The camera angles might not be well directed for a wider field of view, but I think there should be an option to choose which aspect ratio you prefer.
I'm not bothered about cutscenes being in 4:3, but I really hope we have an option to make the whole game be in that ratio.
I would rather it be consistent than switch between wide and non-wide.
Going by the recent widescreen hacks for the game when played on Demul, or real hardware, this is certainly the case for a few scenes.
It works great for the most part, but you do get issues due to the original fov.
I would rather it be consistent than switch between wide and non-wide.
Going by the recent widescreen hacks for the game when played on Demul, or real hardware, this is certainly the case for a few scenes.
It works great for the most part, but you do get issues due to the original fov.
Of course, if they truly cared they could offer something similar to Capcom's pan and scan solution for RE HD remaster.
Same... I don't mind 4:3 at all. I'd prefer widescreen, but I'd much prefer 4:3 than constant changing... It's just like framerates, rather be at constant 30 than a 40-60 variable...
Unsurprising, this reeks of having the bare minimum done just to get us to shut up.
I'm sure SEGA hates hearing about Shenmue at this point :lol
I'm sure SEGA hates hearing about Shenmue at this point :lol
It's going to take a lot of people buying this and Shenmue III to convince them to pull out all the stops. The Tweetstorm is over. Now it's time to open our wallets. That's all Sega wants.
To be fair, I don't think there's that much more they can do with the original games. This isn't Shenmue Kiwami.
I'm interested in how the arcade games will be handled myself.
I'm interested in how the arcade games will be handled myself.
I hope they put their money where their mouth is. If the kickstarter was any indication, at least us hardcore fans will do anything. But we need the casuals' support as well if we expect this to go anywhere...
No we don't need a Kiwami, just some small updates. I'm hoping for the best...
As far as the arcades, I'm sure it'll play just like it did in the original versions... if they update it at all it'll prolly be like how they do it in Yakuza...
Were they arcade perfect in the original? I like how it's handled in Yakuza 0. They're arcade perfect from what I can tell and offer similar options to let's say the upcoming Street Fighter and Mega Drive compilations.
Speaking of the arcades:
It was always a little odd how Yu Suzuki Game Works Vol. 1 for the Dreamcast featured all of the arcade games that appeared in Shenmue (they were literally the Shenmue versions, down to the changed billboards, etc) those being After Burner II, Hang-On, OutRun and Space Harrier of course... but the disc also included Power Drift.
It's hard not to think that this was emulated for the Dreamcast alongside the others for the purpose of appearing in a future Shenmue game.
It would be amazing (but obviously won't happen) if they snuck this DC version Power Drift into this collection somewhere.
It was always a little odd how Yu Suzuki Game Works Vol. 1 for the Dreamcast featured all of the arcade games that appeared in Shenmue (they were literally the Shenmue versions, down to the changed billboards, etc) those being After Burner II, Hang-On, OutRun and Space Harrier of course... but the disc also included Power Drift.
It's hard not to think that this was emulated for the Dreamcast alongside the others for the purpose of appearing in a future Shenmue game.
It would be amazing (but obviously won't happen) if they snuck this DC version Power Drift into this collection somewhere.
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Someone who claims to be with D3T is posting on Shenmue Dono. I don't know if they've proven they really work there, so be cautious:
http://www.shenmuedojo.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=51686&start=30
http://www.shenmuedojo.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=51686&start=30
I took a look and an Allan does work there and Peter is letting him post, so I guess it's legit. I guess these are going to be pretty no frills ports after all. Oh well, I'm still content.
Well maybe they shouldn't have been announced to Yu well after development started then. I mean Sega knew there was demand for Shenmue 3 from the kickstarter the same time Yu did, I don't think they have an excuse honestly. It's been years now since Shenmue 3 was announced. I'm sure the game developers are trying their best with the time and resources allocated to them, it's Sega that would be at fault here. There's no reason these things couldn't have been coordinated in my opinion.
Why ? Isn't it supposed to be better, with stencil shadows and higher res textures ?
Is it really worth it tho? At most what would transfer is capsule toys(which are already not confirmed for 3 as alot of the toys are SEGA property and he would have to licence them out again) and some moves you may or may not of learned. That on top of getting a save game from dreamcast code into unreal engine 4 cant be easy. There just seems to be so little that would actually carry over I dont think it would be worth it. Already from Shenmue 1 to 2 you dont get to carry over the tape player. So my most wanted item is already gone haha.
I haven't played the Xbox versions but I don't remember hearing any real negatives about the technical side. The big difference for me was always the English dub in Shenmue 2.
I just hope there's an option to tone down or completely disable bloom from Shenmue II, otherwise everything else seems to be great.
They are not doing anything at all to clean this game up, wtf I own an XBOX and a Dreamcast already.
http://shenmuedojo.net/new/extras/s2xboxvsdreamcast.html
The lighting was changed also.
Now the vast majority of the graphical changes are minor and of note to only the most anal (most Shenmue fans then :lol) and it could be argued that the changes in loading times and frame rate are enough to outweigh these... but ugh.
The Xbox version felt off to me right from the beginning and fucking around with so many bits of detail never sat right.
Also, seems to me according to DF retro the change in lighting was bloom. It could always be toned down. Water also was better.
I don't mind bloom or that they're porting over the Xbox version of Shenmue II. I see so far that there are no shadows for Shenmue II however which is odd. Pretty certain that'll be fixed.
Xbox version is superior in almost every way... but gets completely destroyed by some really over the top ridiculous bloom and blur effects. If they can tone those down then great, but if not...
This video was posted on the Shenmue Dojo forums and it shows why 16:9 cutscenes might not be a good idea:
I guess it will depend if they are able to fix these problems or not.
I guess it will depend if they are able to fix these problems or not.
Well, if you look at the Shenmue II shots released so far you'll notice no bloom is currently present. Either the effect is not working currently, or there's been a decision to disable to redo the effect. So don't crap your pants over it just yet.
Also as for the laziness chat in your other posts; I say again that people were clamouring for an emulated wrapper version just a few years ago. Porting from the source code is not lazy in the slightest. If you're disappointed or disinterested with the feature set revealed so far that's your prerogative, but you're coming off as incredibly entitled by dismissing that work, not to mention pushing yourself into seeming hysterics over II being ported from the Xbox version.
It's not the end of the world, and any save transfer would inherently be hobbled by dozens of licencing issues with the capsule toys, along with changes to the movelist in III because of alterations to the combat.
Neither party are really at fault here. The save transfer system as envisioned on the Dreamcast died with that hardware, understandably.
If cut scenes really are still stuck on 4:3 then for the love of God please just give us black borders and not some art work crap on the sides. I despise that shit.
According to this post from Krejlooc earlier in the thread that I think a lot of folks may have missed, I don't think that is completely true:
LOL digital foundry said they were technically superior? They totally missed the boat.
Shenmue II on the XBox is missing hundreds of textures and lots of the geometry is changed. The only major improvements are that the crowd draw distance is further, the sun flare is made up of more polygons, and the framerate dips less.
examples:
Dreamcast:
Xbox:
Texture for sign on the door is missing
Dreamcast:
Xbox:
Entire gate is missing
Dreamcast:
Xbox:
Texture is rotated incorrectly
Dreamcast:
Xbox:
Object geometry is placed incorrectly
Dreamcast:
Xbox:
The geometry of the roof is clipping through the wall on the Xbox version
Dreamcast:
Xbox:
The geometry for the back wall of the shack is incorrectly placed behind the brick wall, making it invisible
Dreamcast:
Xbox:
Many of the signs in the sky have been removed
Dreamcast:
Xbox:
Likely owing to the way the DC handles transparency (it uses a painter's algorithm) virtually all transparent objects are now opaque in the Xbox version
Dreamcast:
Xbox:
Another example of transparency missing
And so forth. The Xbox version has these types of cuts EVERYWHERE. Missing textures, missing geometry, missing transparency. Shame on DF if they missed all this. These are just a few readily available examples from Shenmue Dojo, the Xbox game is full of these changes.
Yeah there are a few texture issues, most of which you'll never notice. You'll definitely notice the higher polygon count on other assets though, as well as the mipmapping and tons of other performance/display fixes. There are plenty of improvements the xbox made over the Dreamcast version, more than just the three things that user mentioned...
Definitely check out the DFretro video on Shenmue 2 and you'll see exactly why the xbox version is way better in almost every way. These texture issues are a non-issue, but the real issue that destroys the xbox version is the bloom and blur...
At this point - we're getting a port. I can live with the rest. Beyond the success of the Kickstarter, we are still talking a really niche experience based on a nearly 20 year old set of games. I love the wonder of Shenmue but I'm really not sure there's a market of new players clamouring for what it offers.
I do have an OG Xbox and Shenmue 2 to dust off but no Shenmue 1. Honestly at this point I just want them for ease on my PS4. Here in the UK I can currently preorder this for £22.99. That's £11.50 a game. I'm not expecting great shakes and thank Sega regardless.
I do have an OG Xbox and Shenmue 2 to dust off but no Shenmue 1. Honestly at this point I just want them for ease on my PS4. Here in the UK I can currently preorder this for £22.99. That's £11.50 a game. I'm not expecting great shakes and thank Sega regardless.
I loved the bloom at night in the Xbox version.
The motion blur during battles tho... Almost makes me dizzy.
If you want to be a blind fanboy that can't take criticism, keep that to yourself. I'm just being real here. I don't care what other people were clamouring for, that has no bearing on my opinion. And my opinion is that porting a game where the aspect ratio changes while playing is fucking lazy, simple as that...
I literally said "now i'm worried", and that translates as hysterics to you? Get real... be a fan, not a fanboy son...
Thanks. I watched the video and I agree the XBOX version is superior. The XBOX version as the only way I had beat the game years ago, and never really say much footage from the DC Release.
Those texture comparisons are odd, but they're such little details that don't really add up to much to me.
It's not the end of the world, of course, and yeah, understandably with the new combat system those Shenmue 1 and 2 moves maybe wouldn't transfer. When it comes to the licenses from the capsule toys, doesn't Sega own those licenses still, along with the Shenmue IP? I feel like if Sega worked with Yu's team they could have figured something out.
Shenmue as an IP never seems to have Sega's confidence and full support, and I feel like that's continuing with what we've heard of this port so far, despite the fact that it exists and has a few nice features. It should show in this remaster that Sega loves this IP and that they want to represent Shenmue in the best light possible. Whether they or anyone likes it or not Shenmue is one of Sega's most historic and signature franchises they have. If they release these games with any locked 4:3 cutscenes I'm going to feel like they left something on the table, and as a fan that is frustrating.
The Shenmue franchise will continue to have my support regardless, and the fact that Sega is doing this is still a blessing to the fans and newcomers alike. I can only hope Sega will be convinced to give Shenmue its full support going forward.
Yup, I hate it too. Some games have no option to turn it off either, which is terrible.
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