I never said I was hung up on it. It was just one of the thoughts I had when I saw the headline about a "Cosby Suite" and the article mentioned it being in 2013. I never said it was okay, the majority of my response was about why that would be ignorant to dismiss this particular thing as "well people didn't know about the Cosby stuff"
This is disgusting reading about through all what has been surfacing this last week about Blizzard/Activision. I hope there are big consequences for everybody responsible.
I'm so tired.
"I mean my first thought initially was "Well when did the Bill Cosby stuff really take off" but even just doing the bare minimum research into this shows that there was plenty about bill Cosby before these pictures, AND what else would they even be referencing? Seems pretty clear to me that calling your hotel room where you have lots of liquor and plan to bring women to it the "Bill Cosby Suite" means you knew exactly what he was accused of."
But sure, you were not at all thinking about that and what it meant for this article.
Listen. I'm not trying to say that people in this thread are evil or bad. I am trying to show you that when you do this stuff, you are just giving them ammunition. I am asking, nay, I AM FLAT OUT BEGGING ALL OF YOU TO STOP FOR A SECOND AND JUST... THINK.
Cosby has absolutely nothing to do with this at the end of the day. He was just fodder for more rape jokes because this was all a series of rape jokes. Because they are predators.
I understand the article frames this through Cosby and the Cosby Suite because that's shocking and it gets us to pay attention. We understand HOW bad that is. But it has also created a loophole for the perpetrators, who can blink and say but oh! it was about sweaters! Look at all these other people who also think that's totally reasonable?
So what feels to you like a perfectly reasonable reaction- let me just look this up and check!- creates space for something else. There are implications.
Can y'all please stop doubling and tripling down on it when this is pointed out?
Please?
Part of what needs to change is the way we frame these conversations. We do not need to give them the benefit of the doubt on the Cosby thing because every other sign points to all of it being rape culture anyway.
Which we both agree is bad.
So clearly the meat of the conversation, we are same page. What I am trying to get you to think about is the framing.
