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MrLuchador

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Oct 25, 2017
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I haven't played Shenmue since the week it was released, so my memory is very hazy. All I can remember is wasting money on the little toy machines, the kitten, FORKLIFT TRUCK, and the 70 Man Brawl. I feel like I should play it again, but I'm worried it'll not live up to the test of time.

Someone remind me about the kitten's story, please.
 

Laevateinn

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Oct 25, 2017
2,137
Chicago
"Keep friends, those you love, close to you" :)

Game would have been a heck of a lot less interesting had Ryo just listened to the dying wishes of his father.

I haven't played Shenmue since the week it was released, so my memory is very hazy. All I can remember is wasting money on the little toy machines, the kitten, FORKLIFT TRUCK, and the 70 Man Brawl. I feel like I should play it again, but I'm worried it'll not live up to the test of time.

Someone remind me about the kitten's story, please.

Nyaann
 
Oct 30, 2017
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I'm not feeling particularly optimistic about that. Just seems like it could've at least been teased by Sega or a related party by this point. I would love a complete remake, as implausible as it seems, because I think the dated controls and gameplay will scare many away from Shenmue III. Still think any kind of re-release would sell tons because of the hype generated by the Shenmue III Kickstarter, but I'd love it if people could see the series in its best light.
 

Antony

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Oct 25, 2017
3,684
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I'm tired of waiting for news of a remaster so I just called up Sega to find out once and for all.
All they would say on the phone to me was:

"Father's Heaven"

Then they hung up. Weird.
 

Komarkaze

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Oct 27, 2017
578
I'm tired of waiting for news of a remaster so I just called up Sega to find out once and for all.
All they would say on the phone to me was:

"Father's Heaven"

Then they hung up. Weird.

LOL! That reminds me of the time I went to get my hair cut at the barber shop. The barber sits me down, and as he's about to start, he puts the blade right on my neck and tells me "Do not move!" Naturally I freak out and jump out of the chair because he's threatening my life. For some reason, he kicks me out! I went back the next day for my haircut and he acts like nothing weird happened between us. And then the same damn thing happens again! How many times do I need to go back to that barbershop until he gives me a damn haircut?
 

lawtowler

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Oct 30, 2017
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Would love to see Shenmue I & II HD but I'm beginning to think it is too late. If Shenmue III is really coming next year (probably Q4) then we'd surely need to hear an announcement for I & II HD soon?
 

Sir Guts

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Oct 26, 2017
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Would love to see Shenmue I & II HD but I'm beginning to think it is too late. If Shenmue III is really coming next year (probably Q4) then we'd surely need to hear an announcement for I & II HD soon?
I don't think its too late. Release it Q1 2018
I think we'll get one AFTER Shenmue III, based on how well III does.
If after Shenmue III then its useless. Series veterans like us needs to replay + we need it for the new comers
Shenmue isn't the type of game that you'll watch a recap video before jumping to the third game to understand it
 

Laevateinn

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Oct 25, 2017
2,137
Chicago
I don't think its too late. Release it Q1 2018

If after Shenmue III then its useless. Series veterans like us needs to replay + we need it for the new comers
Shenmue isn't the type of game that you'll watch a recap video before jumping to the third game to understand it

Unfortunately, business isn't logical. It's all about minimizing risk and making sweet benjamins.
 

Maligna

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Oct 25, 2017
8,820
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Hey guys, my cohost Andrew and I did an episode of the Shenmue AM2 podcast recently highlighting various NPCs from the first Shenmue game. I'm not talking about Goro and Fuku-san etc. I'm talking about the random nobodies walking around or running shops. It's amazing to think that the creators wrote detailed stories for every single NPC in the game. A lot of effort went into coming up with these back stories, I'm sure. Then to have them not even come up in the game seems like a waste of perfectly good worldbuilding/lore!

So each of us highlighted 5 NPCs and read their bios from the Shenmue strategy guides. (Only other way to discover these stories was the Passport disc of the game) I was really surprised by the backstory of Nozomi's grandmother who hangs out in the back of the shop. I'll never look at her the same way again. She had a wild life.

Hope you enjoy!

https://youtu.be/U_zV8OoZgz4

Also, we've got upcoming episodes where we interview Corey Marshall so look forward to that. He was great and generous with his time.
 

Komarkaze

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Oct 27, 2017
578
Then it's not happening. Nobody will play 3 when they haven't played the first two games, first. It doesn't make any logical sense. How are you supposed to bring new fans to an already niche series when they don't know the series at all?

Because Sega. They don't appear to care about the effort placed by Yu Suzuki for Shenmue III since all their doing is licensing the property to the creator. For Sega to port Shenmue 1/2 requires effort and money on Sega's part, and they don't appear to want to do that. If they see Shenmue III sell well, they might reconsider.
 

Antony

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Oct 25, 2017
3,684
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Hey guys, my cohost Andrew and I did an episode of the Shenmue AM2 podcast recently highlighting various NPCs from the first Shenmue game. I'm not talking about Goro and Fuku-san etc. I'm talking about the random nobodies walking around or running shops. It's amazing to think that the creators wrote detailed stories for every single NPC in the game. A lot of effort went into coming up with these back stories, I'm sure. Then to have them not even come up in the game seems like a waste of perfectly good worldbuilding/lore!

So each of us highlighted 5 NPCs and read their bios from the Shenmue strategy guides. (Only other way to discover these stories was the Passport disc of the game) I was really surprised by the backstory of Nozomi's grandmother who hangs out in the back of the shop. I'll never look at her the same way again. She had a wild life.

Hope you enjoy!

https://youtu.be/U_zV8OoZgz4

Also, we've got upcoming episodes where we interview Corey Marshall so look forward to that. He was great and generous with his time.
It was the character bios that helped fully sell the games Yokosuka as a 'real' place. I would pour over the Passport bios and then go and find the people I'd read about in-game and follow them, observing their routine and thinking about their 'lives.'
It was another great touch that helped blur the line between a game world and reality and subsequent re-plays haven't quite been the same without Passport access.

I really wanted a 3DS remake that had a map on the bottom screen which tracked NPC movement in real-time and whenever you touched on an NPC dot their name, face and Passport bio would be displayed.
 
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It was the character bios that helped fully sell the games Yokosuka as a 'real' place. I would pour over the Passport bios and then go and find the people I'd read about in game and follow them, observing their routine and thinking about their 'lives.'
It was another great touch that helped blur the line between a game world and reality and subsequent re-plays haven't quite been the same without Passport access.

I really wanted a 3DS remake that had a map on the bottom screen which tracked NPC movement in real-time and whenever you touched on an NPC dot their name, face and Passport bio would be displayed.
All the passport content is a must have for the remake when it arrives. They should find a good way to more organically integrate it.
 

Sumio Mondo

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Oct 25, 2017
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Because Sega. They don't appear to care about the effort placed by Yu Suzuki for Shenmue III since all their doing is licensing the property to the creator. For Sega to port Shenmue 1/2 requires effort and money on Sega's part, and they don't appear to want to do that. If they see Shenmue III sell well, they might reconsider.

Yeah, yeah I know - because SEGA. But I'm saying that's backwards, it would make more sense for them to have cashed in on the Shenmue 3 hype when it was fresh, I saw plenty of people at the E3 announcement going "I've never played these games before but would like to" including some of the Yakuza fanbase who have heard of it but never had Dreamcasts. Since then we have had the negative reaction to the last reveal for 3, which did not help the series. Nor is the lack of any HD releases happening helping either to get new fans. I can just foresee 3 not doing enough to justify a fourth getting made since what we need for the series to continue is more fans. A lot of the fans have already essentially gotten their pre-orders in for 3 so unless we all double dip it's going to be a hard sell for another to be made. I fear for the future of the series. Already waited 10 years for 3, don't want to see it fail again. 3 won't be the conclusion of the series like some people think it will be, Suzuki has already made this statement several times.
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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Here's a real throwback: Adam Sessler talking about Shenmue in the year 2000 on what was then called Gamespot TV.

 

breakYODAy

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Oct 25, 2017
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But what's the next event we're kicking the can down to, or is the next reveal more likely to just be straight to press/internet?

For Shenmue 3, probably Magic Monaco in February.

Shenmue HD could be a direct press announcement from Sega. I recall that's what they did for Valkyria Chronicles Remastered toward the beginning of 2016.

It kind of sucks that Sony is undercutting PSX this way. It was a great stage to please fans by showcasing niche titles. I was in the crowd last year, and Gio had people worked up for his Vita announcements.
 

@ShenmueGuru

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Nov 7, 2017
285
Greetings one and all. Finally got my account sorted and my first post in the new Era had to be in my home topic.

Not much news to comment on unfortunately, but I don't mind that at all. I'm quite happy to let them work away on the game, and I've said for a long while I wouldn't even have a problem if they updated us every 3 months. My nerves go at the end of every month, and once that passes i... Forget about Shenmue 3. I host Shenmue on Twitch and YouTube 3 times a week so I don't forget about the series overall of course, but I want to forget about 3 in a way. Every image and every trailer is a spoiler to me, and the less I know about it the better.

At least they have updated the Kickstarter page with a new image so there seems to be some sort of goings on behind the scenes.
 

@ShenmueGuru

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Nov 7, 2017
285
Honestly (and it's just an opinion), it all boils down to one, possibly 2 factors.

The first factor, is strategy on Segas part. There's no doubt in my mind that the HD remasters exist. The rumors have been publically known that they are done and ready. They could have been announced anytime over the past 6 months, and my guess was that the plan was to have them released for this Christmas. Shenmue is a game set at Christmas so it's a no brainer.
But then we had the Shenmue 3 delay, and I'd say they want to release the HD remasters close to, but not too far away from Shenmue 3s launch date.
The debate there is that late 2018 isn't that far away, and that's very true, but then comes the second factor...

Deep Silver.

The deal was done over the summer, so the timing is very interesting. That's when the delay to 3 was announced, and let's be realistic about the delay, it's not set in stone that we will even see Shenmue 3 in 2018. We don't know the finances and resources (staff, technology etc.) Deep Silver will bring with their deal, but from what I learned at Gamescom, they are very on board with Yu-san and Shenmue 3. They have a great guy overseeing it all, who was not involved in the whole Mighty Number 9 fiasco. Add that to the whole "romanticism", element of releasing Shenmue 3, 20 years after the original release, and I would say that's my educated guess for that.
This, in turn, then sort of dictates Segas hand, and will domino effect the delay of a HD release. Also, to go one further, perhaps the HD remasters have been completed to a somewhat "satisfactory", level by the studio assigned by Sega to produce them, but Deep Silver have came along, taken a look at them, and may want to make them better than what they are. This could be anything, from something small like carrying over a save file, to something huge like overhauling the control system, or who knows, total remakes with the Shenmue 3 models etc. I dunno.

TLDR.

So to sum up, I'd say a HD release would be scheduled for around Christmas 2018, with a delay for a bigger, more exciting Shenmue 3, pushes to early 2019. Again, all opinion, and I could be wrong. But there ya go.
 

seiki

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Shenmue 3 will be a masterpiece, rest easy.
 
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Erevador

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So to sum up, I'd say a HD release would be scheduled for around Christmas 2018, with a delay for a bigger, more exciting Shenmue 3, pushes to early 2019. Again, all opinion, and I could be wrong. But there ya go.
Honestly, that's the same timeline I think will ultimately materialize.

I'll be surprised if Shenmue 3 comes out in 2018. I agree with you, I think Shenmue 3 will ultimately ship in 2019, and HD will likely show up before 2018 is over.
 

@ShenmueGuru

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Nov 7, 2017
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Honestly, that's the same timeline I think will ultimately materialize.

I'll be surprised if Shenmue 3 comes out in 2018. I agree with you, I think Shenmue 3 will ultimately ship in 2019, and HD will likely show up before 2018 is over.


Good things come to those who wait, so patience is the key! Plus, it gives a lot more time to post here and get the support and excitement going for when the time does come. Yes, it may seem like a long exasperated task at the moment, but it blows my mind that Shenmue 3 was announced well over 2 years ago, and to be honest, hell no way I want a half baked 3 made in around 2 years!

What's great is that the majority of general backers and gamers will forget about it. That then means when it does come, bigger and better than Yu-san imagined, it will blow the socks off of people. I genuinely believe that it will. A true third instalment worthy of the name it bears.

Great to have you on here Peter!

Thanks Jibbs. Great to be here. I love the new place!! It feels... right.
 

Sectorseven

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Oct 25, 2017
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The rumors about remasters have been lingering for years, and it seems odd for a cash strapped company like Sega to finance such a project only to shelve it. If that is in fact the case though, I could see additional time needed to port them to current gen consoles and PC.

Beyond that, I just don't have faith in Sega to execute any sort of anticipatory, hype building release strategy, let alone coordinate it with another publisher.

That being said, I'd love to be wrong.
 
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If they happen, they happen. The fan modding scene is so good that I kind of don't care anymore. Just hope III has a serviceable, Yakuza 2-tier "what happened in I and II" styled recap.
 

seiki

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If they happen, they happen. The fan modding scene is so good that I kind of don't care anymore. Just hope III has a serviceable, Yakuza 2-tier "what happened in I and II" styled recap.
Are you the guy that got banned at Shenmue Dojo?
 
Oct 30, 2017
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The rumors about remasters have been lingering for years, and it seems odd for a cash strapped company like Sega to finance such a project only to shelve it. If that is in fact the case though, I could see additional time needed to port them to current gen consoles and PC.

Beyond that, I just don't have faith in Sega to execute any sort of anticipatory, hype building release strategy, let alone coordinate it with another publisher.

That being said, I'd love to be wrong.
I don't either. I don't think Shenmue 1 & 2 remasters are enough of a big deal to keep secret for this long. If they're actually rebuilding both games, which seems completely implausible to me, then maybe. Otherwise, just doesn't make a whole lot of sense that they'd stay quiet for years over some meager remasters.
 

seiki

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Yeah man I don't understand your ban you really contributed positively towards a lot of the discussions. There need to be more people there, not less. That forum is like a ghost town for the most part :(
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Fine. He's probably already got me on ignore anyways. I'm not sure if the OP is Spaghetti. But he probably does too. We all definitely have beef but I won't let that get in the way of Shenmue lovin'.

Anyways, HD. No point in agonizing about it.
 

@ShenmueGuru

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Nov 7, 2017
285
I don't either. I don't think Shenmue 1 & 2 remasters are enough of a big deal to keep secret for this long. If they're actually rebuilding both games, which seems completely implausible to me, then maybe. Otherwise, just doesn't make a whole lot of sense that they'd stay quiet for years over some meager remasters.

I do agree completely, that just having them sitting somewhere and not out in the wild making money is a questionable decision, but then the fact that they are not announced makes it more plausible that they exist? If they were announced and then held back to before Shenmue 3 is close to release, then that would be poor business. There's no point announcing something and saying, "well you can't have it now. Maybe later".

That's if you believe they exist in some form of course, where as if you don't, then that's a given that no announcement will never occur. But I definitely believe they do, and if Sega are in line for a cut of Shenmue 3s profits, then releasing the HD remakes if the first 2 games just before the release of Shenmue 3 will increase its profit potential.
 

Ryo Hazuki

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Oct 25, 2017
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Glad to have you here @ShenmueGuru. Always try to check out your streams when I can and enjoyed your previous ones on the Dojo channel too.

I'm one of those people that loves Shenmue but kind of just let them get on with it. I don't really care about monthly updates and am just happy they're working on the game. I feel the same about a HD version that I did about 3. I won't believe it until I see it and kind of just get on with life until the announcement comes. Obviously I hope it does but I'm so used to there being no Shenmue news at all that I'm just happy to wait it out and see what happens.

A re-release of 1 and 2 before 3 would be amazing though. I'm happy for them to push back Shenmue 3 until 2019 if it means the game is better and we potentially get a HD re-release in the meantime.
 
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I feel the same. I'd rather they spend time and money on the game than time and money on a great social media presence. I don't really think there's substantial money to be gained from the Slacker Backer at this point, so might as well put all your focus on the actual development.
 
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I do agree completely, that just having them sitting somewhere and not out in the wild making money is a questionable decision, but then the fact that they are not announced makes it more plausible that they exist? If they were announced and then held back to before Shenmue 3 is close to release, then that would be poor business. There's no point announcing something and saying, "well you can't have it now. Maybe later".

That's if you believe they exist in some form of course, where as if you don't, then that's a given that no announcement will never occur. But I definitely believe they do, and if Sega are in line for a cut of Shenmue 3s profits, then releasing the HD remakes if the first 2 games just before the release of Shenmue 3 will increase its profit potential.
The existence of Shenmue 3 is free marketing for Shenmue HD. The fact that the new game will be coming out and is being written about everywhere is a great opportunity for Sega. The re-release of the first games will get written about way more by the press since 3 is coming.

I think Sega will do it. They have really turned over a new leaf in the last few years, I've been very impressed with how they've started handling the Yakuza releases and remasters in the west, and with their re-release of cult favorites like Bayonetta and Vanquish.

Shenmue HD will happen.