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AVENGERS 4 | Speculation Thread (Open Spoilers, Set Photos and Leaks)

KraftyKrankins

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I'm hoping there's something good in the next one about Earth's condition if it really is gonna be 5 years after IW.
Maybe hunger in third world countries is slowly being eradicated and most of the wars have stopped because some of the dictators are dead. Would make for an interesting angle and make Thanos' character arc even better.
 
GrimGrinningGuy

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Auros01 said:
Ah, okay. I hadn't honestly considered that. That always seemed like a no-no in most movies with time travel (characters are always avoiding themselves in other time periods when time traveling).
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Yeah it's very paradoxy. If they defeat Thanos in the past then he never gets the stones then all their friends don't die so then cap never goes through time but if he doesn't go through time they can't beat Thanos....and if they don't beat Thanos it al happens anyway.
Sooo maybe dr strange can fix it ha
 
Lukemia SL

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A pre-emptive strike on pre-infinity gem Thanos? Interesting

But, wouldn't he have the mind stone before the first Avengers movie?
 
Kirblar

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Cocamantis said:
I'm still betting on "Avengers: Disassemble" as the title of A4. They keep teasing saying that the title is a spoiler and will be reveal it once the dust from Infinity War is settled. And given how the movie ended...yeah.
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Did they actually say "dust was settled"?

Because holy hell double entendre lol
Gunkankun said:
Actually, couldnt the planet Thanos ends up in be Gamorra's home planet? He mentions it's a paradise now after half the population was wiped out and would make some sense.
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Yeah, I assumed it was Gamora's planet due to the Asian-inspired architecture.
 
DrEvil

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My theory (Spoilers for IW, obv.):

Avengers 4 will be a Tony Stark Revenge plot. After seeing Peter die in front of him, he returns home to find that Pepper has also vanished. This sets him on a course to find Thanos and, more specifically, the time stone so that he can reverse what happened (As evidented by Strange saying that "this is the only way" prior to his death). In Infinity War, when Thanos wanted the Soul stone, he had to sacrifice Gamora. My over-arching theory is that, by the end of Avengers 4, Tony will have to make a similar sacrifice to use the time stone: He will need to reverse time so far back, to the very beginning (Iron Man 1), so that everyone lives. But in doing so, the life he knows, the people he's met, and the bonds hes formed, never come to pass. The price he pays is losing his love (Pepper), his friends (Avengers), and his fortune (his business). This allows for Marvel to reboot / tell alternative storylines within the MCU and not be bogged down by existing contracts or actors who are done with their roles.

The big hole in my theory is that it potentially erases the entire MCU in one fell swoop, and makes all the previous films essentially non-existent. So while not iron clad, I think some form of Tony's sacrifice will require him to not be a part of what he has built.
 
FrakEarth

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KraftyKrankins said:
I'm hoping there's something good in the next one about Earth's condition if it really is gonna be 5 years after IW.
Maybe hunger in third world countries is slowly being eradicated and most of the wars have stopped because some of the dictators are dead. Would make for an interesting angle and make Thanos' character arc even better.
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Could be viewed as quite political if they did!

It would be interesting if half of the world is in a much better condition, but half of it is suffering more than ever before. On the one hand, maybe you've got famines and water shortages that are no longer a problem, maybe you've got an immediate drop in resource consumption. But if the Gauntlet didn't discriminate, some of the worlds greatest minds could be gone, some of the people operating the worlds essential infrastructure might be gone, emergency services, public health, haulage, air traffic and shipping might all have been affected, people who plant the seeds and reap the harvests will have halved.. governments would collapse, panic and riots could ensue, wars could erupt. Unable to defend itself, countries - nay the Universe - could fall prey to sinister forces.
 

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I don't think they're going to do anything too drastic with timey wimey stuff to avoid wiping out tons of character development over the last 10 years of movies
 
KraftyKrankins

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FrakEarth said:
Could be viewed as quite political if they did!

It would be interesting if half of the world is in a much better condition, but half of it is suffering more than ever before. On the one hand, maybe you've got famines and water shortages that are no longer a problem, maybe you've got an immediate drop in resource consumption. But if the Gauntlet didn't discriminate, some of the worlds greatest minds could be gone, some of the people operating the worlds essential infrastructure might be gone, emergency services, public health, haulage, air traffic and shipping might all have been affected, people who plant the seeds and reap the harvests will have halved.. governments would collapse, panic and riots could ensue, wars could erupt. Unable to defend itself, countries - nay the Universe - could fall prey to sinister forces.
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Exactly. It opens a whole lot of possibilities. Maybe one of the reasons it's 5 years later is to have enough time for the changes to make sense. Maybe if everything is actually better it'll create something similar to Civil War's conflict. But this time it'll be Tony/Avengers being conflicted about what happened VS Thanos being right in a very fucked up way. Would really love to see something of that sort.

Edit: It'll also be something drastic for a comic book movie and Marvel has been known to shake up things lately.
 
GrimGrinningGuy

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Lukemia SL said:
At that point in time the Aether would still be in that place between all those anomalies in the convergence. We don't need Nathalie Portman returning so what's the solution?
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Use the time gem to skip ahead, grab reality gem, then jump into past? Make everything play out the same? Bend reality to make it seem like aether still there when Thor 2 happens, etc
 
Napoleonthechimp

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I do wonder if Shuri was sorta successful with Vision given that she was desperate to keep working right up until the last moment. Perhaps he'll be back in some form, maybe the neural pathways in his brain take time to reconnect.
 
Alastor3

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I don't understand why people keep talking of going back in time to Avenger 1, just go back in time before the Snap and try to kill thanos.

Going back in time in Avenger 1 era wouldn't make sense, would fucked up the entire timeline, I don't want another fucked up timeline like Star Trek
 
Auros01

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GrimGrinningGuy said:
Yeah it's very paradoxy. If they defeat Thanos in the past then he never gets the stones then all their friends don't die so then cap never goes through time but if he doesn't go through time they can't beat Thanos....and if they don't beat Thanos it al happens anyway.
Sooo maybe dr strange can fix it ha
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See, that was the one part of the movie that I through my hands up in disbelief at - when Dr. Strange was one of the characters to fade away. I thought he would be critical in A4 with how he knew the one scenario in which they won and then - poof - he was just gone.

I thought they did a fantastic job, though, with how his mindset evolved during the movie. He initially wanted only to protect the stone but then agreed to go with Iron Man and Spider-Man to stop Thanos before he got to earth. However, he states he will sacrifice anyone to protect the stone. Then he does his time-traveling and sees the one "good scenario" and this is so impactful that he willingly gives the time stone to Thanos in exchange for Tony Stark to stay alive. This was a fascinating story beat in the movie for me and I couldn't believe what I was watching. It was perfectly written without it seeming like an out-and-out bad decision on Strange's part.

I just don't know where they go from here. I honestly was thinking Strange would be the key in the long-run.
 
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Lukemia SL

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Alastor3 said:
I don't understand why people keep talking of going back in time to Avenger 1, just go back in time before the Snap and try to kill thanos.

Going back in time in Avenger 1 era wouldn't make sense, would fucked up the entire timeline, I don't want another fucked up timeline like Star Trek
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It's only being brought up because we have pics of them going to Avengers 1's timeline.
 
Napoleonthechimp

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Lukemia SL said:
It's only being brought up because we have pics of them going to Avengers 1's timeline.
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They gave Cap a beard for a reason didn't they? To easily differentiate himself from his younger self.

Auros01 said:
I just don't know where they go from here. I honestly was thinking Strange would be the key in the long-run.
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Well, he certainly knew what the plan was ("we're in the end game now") and likely told Stark before Thanos turned up.
 
Blackflag

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Auros01 said:
See, that was the one part of the movie that I through my hands up in disbelief at - when Dr. Strange was one of the characters to fade away. I thought he would be critical in A4 with how he knew the one scenario in which they won and then - poof - he was just gone.

I thought they did a fantastic job, though, with how his mindset evolved during the movie. He initially wanted only to protect the stone but then agreed to go with Iron Man and Spider-Man to stop Thanos before he got to earth. However, he states he will sacrifice anyone to protect the stone. Then he does his time-traveling and sees the one "good scenario" and this is so impactful that he willingly gives the time stone to Thanos in exchange for Tony Start to stay alive. This was a fascinating story beat in the movie for me and I couldn't believe what I was watching. It was perfectly written without it seeming like an out-and-out bad decision on Strange's part.

I just don't know where they go from here. I honestly was thinking Strange would be the key in the long-run.
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I think he already saw the future and knew his part to play. He did see the 1 way out of this and that required Thanos getting all of the gems which is why he gave it up.
 
Anth0ny

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they need to assemble a team

go back in time to get the avengers

go an alternate universe to get the xmen


:D
 
Vic_Viper

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Figure this is the best place to ask about the Starlin Thanos Trilogy comics

How (and when) did the Avengers in the comics fix the Snap from Infinity Gauntlet? Was it from Infinity Watch, or Infinity War?

I only read a bit of Gauntlet years ago, and never read the other 2...
 
GrimGrinningGuy

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Auros01 said:
See, that was the one part of the movie that I through my hands up in disbelief at - when Dr. Strange was one of the characters to fade away. I thought he would be critical in A4 with how he knew the one scenario in which they won and then - poof - he was just gone.

I thought they did a fantastic job, though, with how his mindset evolved during the movie. He initially wanted only to protect the stone but then agreed to go with Iron Man and Spider-Man to stop Thanos before he got to earth. However, he states he will sacrifice anyone to protect the stone. Then he does his time-traveling and sees the one "good scenario" and this is so impactful that he willingly gives the time stone to Thanos in exchange for Tony Stark to stay alive. This was a fascinating story beat in the movie for me and I couldn't believe what I was watching. It was perfectly written without it seeming like an out-and-out bad decision on Strange's part.

I just don't know where they go from here. I honestly was thinking Strange would be the key in the long-run.
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Don't forget the time gem, and strange, are alive and well in the past :) maybe he saw that/knew what had to happen
 
Auros01

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Blackflag said:
I think he already saw the future and knew his part to play. He did see the 1 way out of this and that required Thanos getting all of the gems which is why he gave it up.
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Yep - I realized that later on and it just made that whole moment so much more significant. I was overwhelmed with frustration when he gave up the time stone until I realized he knew how this situation had to play out.

I'm just wondering how everything is supposed to go "according to plan" if he isn't there to direct it.
 
HiLife

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Had no idea about the five year gap. What's the relevance of Scott's daughter? She'll be fighting alongside them in this one?
 
Kirblar

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Auros01 said:
Yep - I realized that later on and it just made that whole moment so much more significant. I was overwhelmed with frustration when he gave up the time stone until I realized he knew how this situation had to play out.

I'm just wondering how everything is supposed to go "according to plan" if he isn't there to direct it.
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He makes a bargain to save Tony because Tony needed to survive.
 
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Napoleonthechimp said:
They gave Cap a beard for a reason didn't they? To easily differentiate himself from his younger self.


Well, he certainly knew what the plan was ("we're in the end game now") and likely told Stark before Thanos turned up.
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I don't think Strange told Tony. When he exchanges the Time Stone for Tony's life, Tony asks him "Why would you do that?"

I think Strange knows that saving Tony in that moment was the key to realizing that one future where they win, but I don't think Tony knew that.
 
Caz

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My guess is the title will be Avengers: Heroes Reborn if it's supposedly a spoiler.

It'd be the only useful thing to come from the comics of the same name.
Napoleonthechimp said:
They gave Cap a beard for a reason didn't they? To easily differentiate himself from his younger self.
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...Or they gave it to him to establish how much time has passed since Civil War instead of the ongoing fan theory than sounds way too fan-fiction-ish.
 
Shang

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So they kept Nebula alive for a reason, right?

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Napoleonthechimp

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There's a line that stands out for me. I can't remember it exactly but Thanos mentions something about hard decisions requiring a strong will. I have to wonder if that will come back around again in Avengers 4 but on the side of the heroes (Cap?) having to make a tough decision.
 
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Bronx-Man said:
Probably the one hero in the entire MCU besides Thor that can go toe-to-toe with Thanos.
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I think it's more like wipe the floor. Kevin Feige says she's stronger than Superman.
Honestly I wouldn't mind a comedy scene where someone says "We need the strongest Avenger" and Thor and Hulk get pushed aside.
 
Auros01

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Napoleonthechimp said:
There's a line that stands out for me. I can't remember it exactly but Thanos mentions something about hard decisions requiring a strong will. I have to wonder if that will come back around again in Avengers 4 but on the side of the heroes (Cap?) having to make a tough decision.
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I also don't remember the exact quote but I do remember the general line. It stuck out for me, too. It was probably one of the more effective moments in getting me to somehow sympathize or respect Thanos.

Obviously, he's psychotic and eliminating half of each population is the wrong thing to do. But there was an elegance in him explaining that most people simply don't have the willpower to tackle a huge problem like he is.

Too bad his solution sucks and is wrong.
 
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funky said:
I just hope Thor isn't written / killed off like Stark and Captin America will probably be.

It really feels like they just managed to find the formula to make Thor entertaining. Getting him far Way from earth
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I think Thor is safe. I haven't heard the same rumblings about Hemsworth leaving that we hear for both RDJ and Evans. And he's still figuring out his career. I think his future on film is looking pretty bright as he leans into his comedic talents but playing Thor will continue to give him some stability until he can lock down another franchise.

Pendas said:
This also has no effect on any other heroes, such as the Guardians, Spiderman, Dr. Strange, Black Panther.. so they continue on their own in a "No Avengers" world
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Without the Avengers you don't have Sokovia Accords, no Zemo, and no Wakandan King being killed in Civil War.

It also completely invalidates all of Homecoming since The Vulture made his living selling black market stuff from the Battle of New York.
 
liquidtmd

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That "The future..." line Spidey says at the first New York fight' - what's the thought on that's significance of any at the mo?
 
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