AVENGERS 4 | Speculation Thread (Open Spoilers, Set Photos and Leaks)

GraveRobberX · Apr 30, 2018

Betty said:
It feels like that would create major paradoxes.

If the Avengers go back to collect the stones for their own gauntlet, wouldn't that mean Thanos would never complete his own gauntlet and the snap wouldn't happen anyway?

I do admit that idea does feel like a way to go on an adventure for the film but even for non-comic people it would create too many confusing questions.

Yeah kind of crazy time shenanigans, but remember they can go into different universes too, with quantum and time stone shenanigans
Like Thanos has the current Infinity Gauntlet in this universe travel to other universes and pickpocket their stones when said heroes had them
Soul one will be the most difficult to replicate, can be Caps last moment of sacrifice

That opens up Phase 4 going forward with you fucked with time and space, consequences are to be had
Now you can. Do much shit Doom or Galactus, bring other universes into the fold for fucking with the whole thing

This way you can make say Winter Soldier as Cap, but could be a Cap that was already Bucky from another universe
Weird thing I'm saying, but sounds good in my head lol

SchuckyDucky · Apr 30, 2018

Kalentan said:
I really hope they don't go all in on time travel. I hate when any big threat ends up having to be dealt that way.

And it always leaves a bitter taste cause it makes it feel like previous movies were invalidated.

I agree. The events of this film should have lasting consequences. Even if/when the dusted characters come back, the world should be forever changed because of the mass genocide.

Mr. Poolman · Apr 30, 2018

I think the heroes that "remain" are the ones who will sacrifice themselves to restore to life the ones who dissapeared on the snap.
After all, the ones who are gone are the ones who have movies coming.

Mr. Poolman · Apr 30, 2018

Also, the multiple universes shennanigans could be used to bring the X-Men and the FF into the MCU fold.

Nostremitus · Apr 30, 2018

My prediction

Loki isn't dead... ...again... ...he didn't turn blue... ...Thanos didn't have the reality stone yet. He tricked Thanos, the attempt to murder him was the faint.

Vision comes back but has the personality of an LMD.

Dr Strange comes back, but not from the dead, from the past.
He travelled back and forth through time to nudge things along before he lost the stone. He pulls all the past versions of the Avengers to the future before losing the stone.

The fake predictions... ie, not going to happen.

Strange learns that he and Wanda are able to join forces and create portals to parallel worlds. They pull Logan, Deadpool, and Phoenix through...

Spider-Man travels through the Spiderverse (Tie-in to the upcoming animated movie) and recruits Garfield(Spider-Man), McGuire(Spider-Man), Hardy(Venom), Donald Glover(Adult, fully powered Miles), Neil Patrick Harris(2099), Emily Blunt(Spider-Woman) and Nathan Fillion(Spider-Man Noire).

Celcius · Apr 30, 2018

^^Thanos did the snap so you know all the stones he had were real

Nostremitus · Apr 30, 2018

Celcius said:
^^Thanos did the snap so you know all the stones he had were real

The Time stone is capable of being in two places at once. Strange could have pulled a future version of it to the past. No time paradox, since Marvel uses the multiverse theory, it just created new universes and possibilities.

Betty · Apr 30, 2018

GraveRobberX said:
Yeah kind of crazy time shenanigans, but remember they can go into different universes too, with quantum and time stone shenanigans
Like Thanos has the current Infinity Gauntlet in this universe travel to other universes and pickpocket their stones when said heroes had them
Soul one will be the most difficult to replicate, can be Caps last moment of sacrifice

That opens up Phase 4 going forward with you fucked with time and space, consequences are to be had
Now you can. Do much shit Doom or Galactus, bring other universes into the fold for fucking with the whole thing

This way you can make say Winter Soldier as Cap, but could be a Cap that was already Bucky from another universe
Weird thing I'm saying, but sounds good in my head lol

So they could meddle with other multiverses to get the stones which would keep their timeline intact but also allow them to recover their own stones... that's sounding a lot more plausible, just have to hope they write it well because that's a high concept for most audiences to grasp.

Phoenix RISING · Apr 30, 2018

There is someone I know at my second job who obnoxiously reminds everyone that he's hoping for a Young Avengers tie-in. No matter what anyone says, he always tries to bring the conversation back to Young Avengers.

He hopes that Tony Stark retires and the other Iron Man dude takes his place. He was hoping that the vision and Scarlet Witch Romance would also be a lead in

ErrorJustin · Apr 30, 2018

Pretty obvious since the remaining crew at the end of IW is all the OG Avengers that whatever shenanigans they pull to bring everyone back will result in a Switcheroo - to bring back Spidey, Strange, Black Panther, and so-on we'll be losing Cap, Iron Man, Hulk, etc. They'll make the grand sacrifice and it'll give them all a fitting send off and clear the board.

I think that part is virtually guaranteed. Here's what I also suspect:

The movie will toe dip into alternate dimensions - just open that door a crack - similar to the hints in Doctor Strange 1 and Ant-Man 1. This will be the MCU's excuse down the line to recast roles and bring characters back, down the line. Once we get ~3-5 years of Black Panther 2, Strange 2, Spidey 2, and whatever else Marvel has up its sleeve, once the classic cast as sufficiently been "rested", they'll pull back in an alternate dimension Hulk, Iron Man etc one-by-one for more team-up films and slowly integrate them into the main cast/timeline.

Youngfossil · Apr 30, 2018

All these theories and most of them dont even involve captain freaking marvel. Its obvious she comes back from what ever dimension she's in, solos Thanos (maybe strange warned them about thanos in the past so Nick made Captain Marvel). Move lasts oh say... 25 minutes

imax · Apr 30, 2018

ErrorJustin said:
Pretty obvious since the remaining crew at the end of IW is all the OG Avengers that whatever shenanigans they pull to bring everyone back will result in a Switcheroo - to bring back Spidey, Strange, Black Panther, and so-on we'll be losing Cap, Iron Man, Hulk, etc. They'll make the grand sacrifice and it'll give them all a fitting send off and clear the board.

I think that part is virtually guaranteed. Here's what I also suspect:

The movie will toe dip into alternate dimensions - just open that door a crack - similar to the hints in Doctor Strange 1 and Ant-Man 1. This will be the MCU's excuse down the line to recast roles and bring characters back, down the line. Once we get ~3-5 years of Black Panther 2, Strange 2, Spidey 2, and whatever else Marvel has up its sleeve, once the classic cast as sufficiently been "rested", they'll pull back in an alternate dimension Hulk, Iron Man etc one-by-one for more team-up films and slowly integrate them into the main cast/timeline.

Normally I'd retort this by saying, "but what about Rocket?"

But I think he's very clearly headed toward a moment of self-sacrifice for his crew, after that (at-first-glance) fleeting comment from Quill that he's only going away with Thor because "that's where Thanos isn't." There's a subtle arc there.

Sleve McDichael · Apr 30, 2018

Here are a few things I was thinking about. Probably all wrong.

* The post-credits scene in Infinity War is actually from an early scene in Avengers 4.
* We know time travel will be a big plot point. Cap will have to go back to WW2 (a good excuse for a Peggy Carter cameo). He encounters Red Skull, who is able to escape his timeline by traveling back with Cap.
* The Soul Stone will be destroyed and Gamora will be resurrected.
* Vision and Loki remain dead.
* A surprising number of characters make it out of the movie alive, but Iron Man has to sacrifice himself.

Karl2177 · Apr 30, 2018

SKOL said:
Here are a few things I was thinking about. Probably all wrong.

* The post-credits scene in Infinity War is actually from an early scene in Avengers 4.
* We know time travel will be a big plot point. Cap will have to go back to WW2 (a good excuse for a Peggy Carter cameo). He encounters Red Skull, who is able to escape his timeline by traveling back with Cap.
* The Soul Stone will be destroyed and Gamora will be resurrected.
* Vision and Loki remain dead.
* A surprising number of characters make it out of the movie alive, but Iron Man has to sacrifice himself.

If time travel is a thing and Banner is alive, I can make a case for Vision staying alive. In IW, Shuri makes what most people thought was a throwaway line about why they didn't set up Vision's neurons a certain way and Banner says that they didn't think of it. If they can go into the past, then they can build Vision a certain way that isn't dependent on the stone, but moreso enhanced by it.

AztecComplex · Apr 30, 2018

Do we know why Hulk refused to come out during after the opening scene in IW? Do we have a reason or do I just handwave it as a "Hulk is a caveman doing a tantrum"?

Anth0ny · Apr 30, 2018

AztecComplex said:
Do we know why Hulk refused to come out during after the opening scene in IW? Do we have a reason or do I just handwave it as a "Hulk is a caveman doing a tantrum"?

Thanos had him SHOOK

Lukemia SL · Apr 30, 2018

AztecComplex said:
Do we know why Hulk refused to come out during after the opening scene in IW? Do we have a reason or do I just handwave it as a "Hulk is a caveman doing a tantrum"?

Hulk has never really lost and not so quickly and easily, he knows not of the concept of losing. Til Thanos, which no doubt caught him by surprise and his ego is at an all time low.

I reckon they'll make a big pay off for it in A4.

RastaMentality · Apr 30, 2018

Blader said:
When do you think that it's safe to announce that Infinity War Part 2 will be called Infinity Gauntlet?

FEIGE: That is definitely not what it is called.

http://collider.com/kevin-feige-interview-avengers-4/

Gauntlet would be a clunky name for a film anyways.

Lukemia SL · Apr 30, 2018

Infinity Crusade it is then :D

Zubz · Apr 30, 2018

Lukemia SL said:
Hulk has never really lost and not so quickly and easily, he knows not of the concept of losing. Til Thanos, which no doubt caught him by surprise and his ego is at an all time low.

I reckon they'll make a big pay off for it in A4.

That's my take. I want Drax or Nebula to have the biggest go at Thanos, but a Hulk beatdown would be fantastic.

Side-note, but as cheesy as Loki giving the "We have a Hulk" line was... it was worth it.

RastaMentality said:
Gauntlet would be a clunky name for a film anyways.

True, but I would've liked it, at least.

Lukemia SL · Apr 30, 2018

Zubz said:
That's my take. I want Drax or Nebula to have the biggest go at Thanos, but a Hulk beatdown would be fantastic.

Side-note, but as cheesy as Loki giving the "We have a Hulk" line was... it was worth it

Oh that Loki callback to that line was brilliant, can't blame him for thinking that would work.

Drax really does deserves his time to shine, getting beat down by Ronan was bad enough. He has to live up to his name sometime in these movies. After all I've heard about Nebula I thought she was going to take him down at some point.

Dalek · Apr 30, 2018

The person who posted those spoilers on Reddit has a previous track record. I basically assumed something like this based on the set photos and that there had to be a way to reset things.

It's going to be like BTTF2 where Marty is sneaking around the Enchantment Under The Sea dance to avoid being seen by his past self. If we see them literally recreating scenes from the original movies that's going to be wild-and that's why they need Ant-Man because he's a thief.

OH SHIT I JUST REALIZED!

If they get to the Orb before Star-Lord does and it ends up changing the events of those movies then that means Ronan will still be alive!

Phendrift · Apr 30, 2018

I really hope there aren't a ton of time travel shenanigans

Neece · Apr 30, 2018

Dalek said:
The person who posted those spoilers on Reddit has a previous track record. I basically assumed something like this based on the set photos and that there had to be a way to reset things.

It's going to be like BTTF2 where Marty is sneaking around the Enchantment Under The Sea dance to avoid being seen by his past self. If we see them literally recreating scenes from the original movies that's going to be wild-and that's why they need Ant-Man because he's a thief.

OH SHIT I JUST REALIZED!

If they get to the Orb before Star-Lord does and it ends up changing the events of those movies then that means Ronan will still be alive!

Lank?

Rob · Apr 30, 2018

Ugh. I hope not. I'd rather more travel into the future than the past.

Wogan · Apr 30, 2018

Apparently the Russo's did a Q&A. Valkyrie did in fact help a portion of the crew evacuate, explaining her absence.

They didn't want to speak of Korg, which is more telling that he will probably show back up.

Hopefully, Thor goes to recruit them again.

Deleted member 4614 · Apr 30, 2018

Wogan said:
Apparently the Russo's did a Q&A. Valkyrie did in fact help a portion of the crew evacuate, explaining her absence.

They didn't want to speak of Korg, which is more telling that he will probably show back up.

Hopefully, Thor goes to recruit them again.

Korg's a rock

He probably got dusted

CrichtonKicks · Apr 30, 2018

Wogan said:
Apparently the Russo's did a Q&A. Valkyrie did in fact help a portion of the crew evacuate, explaining her absence.

They didn't want to speak of Korg, which is more telling that he will probably show back up.

I just took that to mean that no one does Korg but Taika Waititi. Valkyrie will almost certainly come back no matter what but Korg is entirely up to Taika and therefore not the Russo's place to speak.

Phendrift · Apr 30, 2018

You guys think Gamora is dead for good?

Deleted member 2802 · Apr 30, 2018

I'm starting to think Tony (or Cap) needs to make the same decision as Thanos to sacrifice Pepper or (Bucky/Peggy/Sharon) to gain the Soul Stone but tells him/her to sacrifice him instead.

Gamer @ Heart · Apr 30, 2018

Phendrift said:
You guys think Gamora is dead for good?

It feels like a no. She is clearly in the soul stone in some form. So if timey wimey stuff will get the others back, I imagine she will come back in some more magical action.

Also, isn't she committed for the next 2 years shooting avatar sequels? If GotG3 does happen its looking like phase 5 so it's something they could easily dangle

CrichtonKicks · Apr 30, 2018

Phendrift said:
You guys think Gamora is dead for good?

Nope. The soul stone will give them their out. I don't know if she fully resurrects in A4 or GotG 3 but I'm guessing the latter. I think Marvel kind of leaves Gunn alone to do what he wants with GotG and I don't think it was every his intention to make "The Search for Gamora". I think they put the toys back in the box for him to play with. Though I am kind of concerned Drax may go out in a suicidal attack on Thanos.

Gamer @ Heart said:
Also, isn't she committed for the next 2 years shooting avatar sequels? If GotG3 does happen its looking like phase 5 so it's something they could easily dangle

Guardians is 2020 so it will shoot next year. However Avatar will have been in principle photography for a year by that point and I think they are only shooting Avatar 2 and 3 right now. I expect they will have a break in the schedule that will allow Zoe to return to Guardians.

Blader · Apr 30, 2018

Wogan said:
Apparently the Russo's did a Q&A. Valkyrie did in fact help a portion of the crew evacuate, explaining her absence.

They didn't want to speak of Korg, which is more telling that he will probably show back up.

Hopefully, Thor goes to recruit them again.

Let's get the Revengers back together again

Gamer @ Heart said:
It feels like a no. She is clearly in the soul stone in some form. So if timey wimey stuff will get the others back, I imagine she will come back in some more magical action.

Also, isn't she committed for the next 2 years shooting avatar sequels? If GotG3 does happen its looking like phase 5 so it's something they could easily dangle

GOTG 3 shoots next year for a 2020 release.

Dalek · Apr 30, 2018

Phendrift said:
You guys think Gamora is dead for good?

Gamora has a long story with the Soul Stone in the comics.

Gamer @ Heart · Apr 30, 2018

CrichtonKicks said:
Nope. The soul stone will give them their out. I don't know if she fully resurrects in A4 or GotG 3 but I'm guessing the latter. I think Marvel kind of leaves Gunn alone to do what he wants with GotG and I don't think it was every his intention to make "The Search for Gamora". I think they put the toys back in the box for him to play with. Though I am kind of concerned Drax may go out in a suicidal attack on Thanos.

Guardians is 2020 so it will shoot next year. However Avatar will have been in principle photography for a year by that point and I think they are only shooting Avatar 2 and 3 right now. I expect they will have a break in the schedule that will allow Zoe to return to Guardians.

I just remembered that Cameron was talking about the avatar sequels being generational. So she may not even feature in 3 much at all if it's moved on to their kids, etc

crimsonheadGCN · May 1, 2018

The infinity stones can only work in the universe that they were created in, right?

I also think that Thor won't get himself killed between Infinity War and A4. I think him and Rocket will team up and search the galaxy/universe for answers to how to defeat or find Thanos. He'll be made an honorary member of the Guardians (and maybe show up in Volume 3 because of it).

Ravenwraith · May 1, 2018

Imagine if the first teaser for Avengers 4 us the intro for Guardians of the Galaxy but when Peter gets to the podium the stone isn't fucking there

Dalek · May 1, 2018

crimsonheadGCN said:
The infinity stones can only work in the universe that they were created in, right?

I also think that Thor won't get himself killed between Infinity War and A4. I think him and Rocket will team up and search the galaxy/universe for answers to how to defeat or find Thanos. He'll be made an honorary member of the Guardians (and maybe show up in Volume 3 because of it).

That is the rule in the comics. Who knows if it will carry over.

Callibretto · May 1, 2018

I still think that kid Gamora at the end is not really Gamora, there are higher being that is influencing Thanos action. and I'm not sure I want Thanos killed or not, would be cool if he show up in future MCU film again.

ErrorJustin · May 1, 2018

Tony dies, but his ego is so large he lives on as a Jarvis-like AI, letting him still be a part of the MCU connective tissue in the ear of Spider-Man or whoever, and lets RDJ keep earning that VO money, which isn't too much of a stretch since 60% of his role is VO anyway,

I knew Tony would be going as soon as I saw the nanosuit in action - it's too powerful. Infinity War glossed over it since the movie is a mad sprint, but the suit is too much. It can just be written to do whatever is called for in the scene. It's the endgame for him.

And yeah A4 will be called Avengers: Endgame.

thetrin · May 1, 2018

Nostremitus said:
The Time stone is capable of being in two places at once. Strange could have pulled a future version of it to the past. No time paradox, since Marvel uses the multiverse theory, it just created new universes and possibilities.

This is not mentioned in the movies, but in the comics, the stones only work in their native universe. Even if they get a time stone from another universe, it wouldn't do dick in their own universe.

kinoki · May 1, 2018

Since they showed the possibility of destroying the Infinity stones with Wanda shattering the Mind stone, I'm guessing that's their endgame. Destroy them all. This will also put an end to the power McGuffin trend of mystery stones that aren't properly explained. It will also end that particular story line. The power levels they possess needs a nerf anyway, same as the power levels overall in the MCU. (I feel dirty using the term "power levels" as I consider it a boring metric in terms of story telling.)

Hopefully the next overarching plot for the MCU doesn't deal with universe threats of the same magnitude. I want something smaller and more personal.

Not · May 1, 2018

thetrin said:
This is not mentioned in the movies, but in the comics, the stones only work in their native universe. Even if they get a time stone from another universe, it wouldn't do dick in their own universe.

They haven't really gone into the parallel multiverse yet in the MCU. Even Doctor Strange didn't really go into it.

thetrin · May 1, 2018

Not said:
They haven't really gone into the parallel multiverse yet in the MCU. Even Doctor Strange didn't really go into it.

And rightly so. The minute we start getting into parallel universes it'll probably start losing general audiences.

Civilstrife · May 1, 2018

Mr. Poolman said:
I think the heroes that "remain" are the ones who will sacrifice themselves to restore to life the ones who dissapeared on the snap.
After all, the ones who are gone are the ones who have movies coming.

Yeah I think all or most of the dusted characters are ironically "safe".

kurahador · May 1, 2018

Now that Thanos is a well known name, they should make the title for A4 Thanos Conquest: The Avengers

Not · May 1, 2018

thetrin said:
And rightly so. The minute we start getting into parallel universes it'll probably start losing general audiences.

They killed off half the characters in the universe, only to bring them all back next year. That's the most comic book fucking thing I've ever seen in a movie, and I watched Kingsman: The Golden Circle.

We'll see if it alienates the plebs or not.

Deleted member 7430 · May 1, 2018

Someone mentioned it earlier, but naming Avengers 4 "What If..." would be the greatest service Marvel could do for their fans because those were always fun comics to read.

rockx4 · May 1, 2018

My prediction: the other 14million possibilities consists of Thanos not obtaining all the gems. He instead wipes them out using the other gems at full power. The heroes are faced with no way to defeat him or reverse those actual deaths. Him obtaining all 6 only occurs in this single instance, and allows them the chance to actual win since Thanos does the snap, and assumes everything is done.

Officer Big Mac · May 1, 2018

Nostremitus said:
My prediction

Loki isn't dead... ...again... ...he didn't turn blue... ...Thanos didn't have the reality stone yet. He tricked Thanos, the attempt to murder him was the faint.

Vision comes back but has the personality of an LMD.

Dr Strange comes back, but not from the dead, from the past.
He travelled back and forth through time to nudge things along before he lost the stone. He pulls all the past versions of the Avengers to the future before losing the stone.

The fake predictions... ie, not going to happen.

Strange learns that he and Wanda are able to join forces and create portals to parallel worlds. They pull Logan, Deadpool, and Phoenix through...

Spider-Man travels through the Spiderverse (Tie-in to the upcoming animated movie) and recruits Garfield(Spider-Man), McGuire(Spider-Man), Hardy(Venom), Donald Glover(Adult, fully powered Miles), Neil Patrick Harris(2099), Emily Blunt(Spider-Woman) and Nathan Fillion(Spider-Man Noire).

You went from halfway plausible to full on fanfic pretty quick.

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