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Punished Goku

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yeah. Dolby Cinema ain't shit, I don't know why people rave about it on Era. I'm assuming those must be the only theaters with recliners in their area, so they like it just for the comfort.
First of all I'm in a wheelchair and not in those recliners so no, I don't just like it for the comfort. Second, the picture quality is superior to the other theaters I've been too, and the HDR, Black Levels, as well as the contrast blow everything else away for me. But if you don't like it, then you do you I guess.
 

Chamber

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Oct 25, 2017
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The picture quality didn't really impress me at all but that was my first experience with Atmos sound and that part of it certainly lived up to the hype. The overall experience was still pretty positive even with those milky ass blacks. :p

And Infinity War was quite good which was also surprising.
 

molnizzle

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Oct 25, 2017
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That your experience was different than (most) others.

Make sense?
This isn't about subjective "experience." Black levels, brightness, these are things that can be measured. It's true that I'm eyeballing them here, but in fairness, I'm a pretty discerning enthusiast. And I saw the exact same film in multiple formats within a 3 day period, so everything was fresh in my mind. If others did that, I'm sure they'd arrive at the same conclusion as me. But if you just see it once in Dolby and it looks pretty solid, you continue to buy into the hype you read about online.

I'm not saying Dolby Cinema is bad. I'm saying it's not hands-down better than everything else. The only aspect of the experience that was objectively superior was the audio. Atmos is real nice, even if I didn't appreciate the bass mixing in Infinity War. But the picture? Nah. Bog standard cinema experience presentation.

First of all I'm in a wheelchair and not in those recliners so no, I don't just like it for the comfort. Second, the picture quality is superior to the other theaters I've been too, and the HDR, Black Levels, as well as the contrast blow everything else away for me. But if you don't like it, then you do you I guess.

Have you never been to a different "premium" cinema, like Cinemark XD or IMAX? If not then I guess I can understand why Dolby would seem amazing.
 

molnizzle

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Really doubling down on this "you plebes might like it, I guess" thought process, huh?
It's either people not knowing any better and buying into the hype, or the Dolby Cinema in Dallas was lying when they sold me my ticket. I'm inclined to think it's the former.

For the record, I fucking love me some Dolby Vision in my home theater. That's what I was hoping to see in Dolby Cinema. Instead I saw typical cinema projection with grey blacks and standard brightness.
 

GearDraxon

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It's either people not knowing any better and buying into the hype, or the Dolby Cinema in Dallas was lying when they sold me my ticket. I'm inclined to think it's the former.

For the record, I fucking love me some Dolby Vision in my home theater. That's what I was hoping to see in Dolby Cinema. Instead I saw typical cinema projection with grey blacks and standard brightness.
Or

And just stick with me here

You aren't the arbiter of quality, and implying that anyone with a different opinion "doesn't know any better" is a fairly insufferable attitude.
 

piratepwnsninja

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Hmm just from recent experience that looks like a lot of ambient light.. how opposed are you to blinds or black out curtains?? /s

Seriously both are great choice.. I would go OLED always but that is my personal preference. For movies and shows the ambience is easy to control, it only becomes an issue for gaming. Games tend to have a lot of dark places. Anyway I m sure you'll get some solid advice in this thread.

NO CURTAINS OR BLINDS! My neighbors have to see me watching TV naked. :P
(I'll be getting blackout curtains as soon as I get there.)

I'd go bigger vs better.

If you're already used to a front projection image, an X850 will be a step up in quality pretty much across the board, and you won't know what you're missing. This is doubly true for someone moving down from 100" screen. I'd be really worried about losing 35" and still thinking it's big enough, regardless of it looking "better".

The Dolby Vision differences are there, but still subtle. Again, if you're coming from an SDR projector, HDR10 is already going to look like a big upgrade anyway.

Just my two cents. (as a 65C7 owner)

Is the x850 kind of equivalent to my KS8000? I think it looks great. I'm leaning towards size.

I would not get the X850. It's edge lit and you will be disappointed. Either go with the OLED or look for a Vizio P 75"

You'd recommend the Vizio over the Sony? What significant differences are there that would make you choose it? Just wondering, because I don't know why edge lit is a bad thing. I wish more places carried the P-series. Doesn't seem like many places do and only have the E-series.

What RR said. The relative differences between OLED and a pretty-good LCD are going to be less noticeable (especially coming from a projector) than the drop in screen size, and the LCD will be a good balance of picture quality and sheer square inches.

I've got a 1080p projector as well, throwing to a 92" screen. I've mentioned this a couple times in the thread before, but... even though I know that my upstairs TV has a significantly "better" picture, the projector wins out when I want to really fall into a movie.

I've gone from projector to a 67" LCD before, so I totally get the shock. I've just never really done much measuring of "optimal distance" but did find the 67" small for a while before adjusting.


Thanks everyone for the help so far.
 

molnizzle

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Oct 25, 2017
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Or

And just stick with me here

You aren't the arbiter of quality, and implying that anyone with a different opinion "doesn't know any better" is a fairly insufferable attitude.
Or

And just stick with me here

Most people don't see the same film multiple times, in different formats, within a several day period, so they don't have the same basis for comparison that I have.

I went into the Dolby showing wanting (and expecting) to be impressed.
 

GearDraxon

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Oct 25, 2017
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Or

And just stick with me here

Most people don't see the same film multiple times, in different formats, within a several day period, so they don't have the same basis for comparison that I have.
Once again, it isn't your take on Dolby Cinema and its relative quality.

It's acting like anyone who didn't do your Very Scientific Eyeball Test must be some mouth breather who's never had a La-Z-Boy.
 

molnizzle

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Once again, it isn't your take on Dolby Cinema and its relative quality.

It's acting like anyone who didn't do your Very Scientific Eyeball Test must be some mouth breather who's never had a La-Z-Boy.
So you're focusing on the least important, throwaway part of my posts because you got caught in your feelings. Okay.
 

RedlineRonin

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So you're focusing on the least important, throwaway part of my post because you got caught in your feelings. Okay.
Nah the focus is the fact that when you open a conversation by implying everyone who disagrees with your subjective experience gets amped about recliners, you come off as a pretentious asshole and therefore a person who deserves minimal credibility for anything that comes out there mouth.
 

Smokey

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Yeah. Dolby Cinema ain't shit, I don't know why people rave about it on Era. I'm assuming those must be the only theaters with recliners in their area, so they like it just for the comfort.

You get some HDR, Atmos, and an overall experience that's better than a regular viewing . My OLED looks better obviously, but I don't have an Atmos setup, recliners, etc.
 

molnizzle

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Nah the focus is the fact that when you open a conversation by implying everyone who disagrees with your subjective experience gets amped about recliners, you come off as a pretentious asshole and therefore a person who deserves minimal credibility for anything that comes out there mouth.
I said that was the only explanation I could think of, implying that I'm open to hearing others. After that I straight up asked what other explanations might be.

...because I saw the same film in IMAX 2D and Dolby Cinema on back-to-back days, and the Dolby presentation wasn't any brighter, and the blacks weren't any blacker. The Atmos presentation was superior (as I mentioned several times), even if I didn't particularly care for the bass mix (that's the subjective part). But blacks looking grey, that ain't subjective. Black is black.
 

Chamber

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DangerMouse

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Is the difference between the LG and SONY OLEDs just personal preferences? Or is the LG the definitive better TV?
Mainly price and then some personal preference on certain features. The LG and Sony OLEDs are extremely similar but the LG's can generally be had cheaper since Sony currently gets their panels from LG.

The LG can get a little brighter and has better input lag for gaming. The Sony has better motion handling and both have fantastic picture but the Sony can better deal with some rare image flaws like color banding due to better processing, which also gives it slightly better upscaling of lower res content, which their processing has always been great at (the LG OLED is no slouch at upscaling either). The Sony also technically has better built-in audio with their new screen speaker tech, but if someone's getting one of these they're probably getting a receiver and surround sound system anyway. Basically they're both great and close to each other at each of these things (except Sony's smooth gradation processing for color banding, which the LG doesn't have anything like it, while the Sony has more input lag though is still plenty fast enough for gaming). They were the top 2 displays last year, and since the LG was cheaper that was the main differentiator.
 
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So I'm loving the 55" TCL 6 series so far. In fact, I was even pleasantly surprised by the sound range of the built-in speakers that I'm returning the soundbar I had picked up (thinking it would be the same lackluster audio in older flatscreens and monitors). Out of the box I've had to do minimal calibration so far, but the color and contrast for HDR and DV content has been mighty impressive.

Also put a few games through it so far, including God of War, Detroit demo, Horizon Zero Dawn, Gran Turismo Sport, and planning to check out Assassin's Creed Origins later.

Just your opinions on the panel itself:

Banding
Clouding
HDR

What ever you feel like.
So far the only banding I've seen has been on youtube via the PS4. This itself seems to clear up as the video quality catches up, and was mostly when there were large shots of solid color gradients.

I've noticed a tiny bit of clouding when things like the HDR logo itself pops up over pure black, but its not very distracting and I was actively looking for this. The HDR has been wonderful so far.

My main point of reference for HDR are the monitors we use for video production, and various Samsung (MU / NU8000) and Sony TVs that my friends have. It feels comparable to those!


First video review of the new TCL 6 Series.
Slick TV!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shjObyvugBs

EDIT: What a misleading video. Fuck this channel. They just repeat facts that are well known. Still a nice looking tv though.
Wacky. Shame I didn't commit to making a "first impressions" video. Would have been fun to put my TV through the works and document it all.
 

Punished Goku

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Oct 25, 2017
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Have you never been to a different "premium" cinema, like Cinemark XD or IMAX? If not then I guess I can understand why Dolby would seem amazing.
Yes I've been to both, and Dolby Cinema is much more immersive to me.
Or

And just stick with me here

Most people don't see the same film multiple times, in different formats, within a several day period, so they don't have the same basis for comparison that I have.

I went into the Dolby showing wanting (and expecting) to be impressed.
I saw Infinity War twice, and Dolby Vision was the better viewing experience.
 

Liquidsnake

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Oct 27, 2017
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So I'm loving the 55" TCL 6 series so far. In fact, I was even pleasantly surprised by the sound range of the built-in speakers that I'm returning the soundbar I had picked up (thinking it would be the same lackluster audio in older flatscreens and monitors). Out of the box I've had to do minimal calibration so far, but the color and contrast for HDR and DV content has been mighty impressive.

Also put a few games through it so far, including God of War, Detroit demo, Horizon Zero Dawn, Gran Turismo Sport, and planning to check out Assassin's Creed Origins later.


So far the only banding I've seen has been on youtube via the PS4. This itself seems to clear up as the video quality catches up, and was mostly when there were large shots of solid color gradients.

I've noticed a tiny bit of clouding when things like the HDR logo itself pops up over pure black, but its not very distracting and I was actively looking for this. The HDR has been wonderful so far.

My main point of reference for HDR are the monitors we use for video production, and various Samsung (MU / NU8000) and Sony TVs that my friends have. It feels comparable to those!



Wacky. Shame I didn't commit to making a "first impressions" video. Would have been fun to put my TV through the works and document it all.
Sounds like a winner!!
 

FinKL

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Oct 25, 2017
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Thanks for the Cleveland AV recommendations, after 2 shipped broken TVs from AAFES, they got me one with a great delivery service. Set it up and plugged in an Apple TV, now can't wait to get home to go through settings and what not.

I didn't turn on Wifi, since I read it lags the TV, but should a TV Firmware update for the Sony X900E be required?
 

Mike Works

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Oct 28, 2017
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Can't believe the Dolby Vision issue with raised blacks still hasn't been fixed. It's legitimately kept me from buying and watching movies on Apple TV.
 

Nerdyone

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NO CURTAINS OR BLINDS! My neighbors have to see me watching TV naked. :P
(I'll be getting blackout curtains as soon as I get there.)



Is the x850 kind of equivalent to my KS8000? I think it looks great. I'm leaning towards size.



You'd recommend the Vizio over the Sony? What significant differences are there that would make you choose it? Just wondering, because I don't know why edge lit is a bad thing. I wish more places carried the P-series. Doesn't seem like many places do and only have the E-series.



I've gone from projector to a 67" LCD before, so I totally get the shock. I've just never really done much measuring of "optimal distance" but did find the 67" small for a while before adjusting.


Thanks everyone for the help so far.
The Vizio has backlighting which crates great local dimming. The 850 is edgelit which will create blooming when trying to light a specific part of the screen when the rest is dark.

I have in my house the ks8000, the x900e, and the Vizio P. The Vizio is the best picture of the bunch.

Try Costco for the P series
 

Lumyst

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Oct 27, 2017
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What's everyone's opinion on the contrast setting? Over the years I've seen people go back and forth between maxing it and putting it at 95.

For Samsung TV's, contrast at 95 is correct for SDR. If I understand, contrast adjusts the maximum light output irrespective of the backlight. What happens is that the red, green, and blue subpixels may allow their maximum light output at different points, and so putting contrast at 100 may lead to "color clipping" if one of the subpixel colors cannot output as much light as the others. Then the color of white looks incorrect (its RGB balance becomes incorrect). If you bring up a contrast adjustment pattern (flashing bars of varying brightness), on Samsung TV's I've seen them turn reddish/pinkish as contrast approaches 100. 95 is a good compromise for color clipping and maximum light output.

Even though it may technically be correct to go even lower, I've noticed the image looks flatter if the contrast is brought down too much. For instance, on my KS8000, even though contrast at 86 without a doubt gets rid of "pinkish grays," it comes at the cost of the overall image looking flat/washed out. To get even more technical, Delta E for 100% white is always above 3 on my KS8000 if contrast is at 100, but at 95 it is below 2 out of the box, and can be improved with a white balance calibration to below 1.
 

DangerMouse

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Oct 25, 2017
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Soory can anybody help me. After coming from years of Dony im lost on LG. Is there a featire such as smooth gradation?
I don't think there's any feature that's the equivalent of the Sony's smooth gradation processing. But a lot of content shouldn't really have any problems.

what about hdr 10? When i watch ultra 4k content like the netflix show troy, is that hdr?
I'm not subscribed to Netflix at the moment so I'm not sure about Troy specifically but HDR10 over HDMI doesn't require an update so your set should already ready for it. It's best to use port 2 or 3 (which is also the ARC capable port if you've got a receiver) and also make sure you've turned on Enhanced HDMI for the port you're using. If you're launching the 4K HDR10 version of something on Netflix then it should work and trigger HDR on your TV automatically, as long as the Netflix app on the device supports it and you have the proper subscription that includes 4K.
 

Mike Works

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Oct 28, 2017
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What's the issue again?
This is for at least LG TV's (including the new 2018 models), but might extend to other sets as well:

Any Dolby Vision content that's coming in via HMDI (ex: an Apple TV) risks having the black level elevated for random scenes. It's pretty easy to tell for any content that has letterbox bars, since they'll go from pitch black in one scene to dark grey the next. Dolby/LG have promised that a fix is on the way, and the most recent firmware apparently fixed some of the broken content, but everything I've retested has still had the elevated blacks.
 

Ashhong

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Oct 26, 2017
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For the record, I watch movies all the time and saw IW at both Dolby and real IMAX. Dolby had much better picture quality. The colors popped more and the blacks were more black. Obviously you aren't going to get perfect blacks. But with the better audio, screen quality, and seats, it's a much better experience to your standard theater. I wasn't too impressed with the audio mixing for IW at the Dolby but I wonder if that blame is on Marvel. I watched a quiet place there and it was fucking fantastic.

This is for at least LG TV's (including the new 2018 models), but might extend to other sets as well:

Any Dolby Vision content that's coming in via HMDI (ex: an Apple TV) risks having the black level elevated for random scenes. It's pretty easy to tell for any content that has letterbox bars, since they'll go from pitch black in one scene to dark grey the next. Dolby/LG have promised that a fix is on the way, and the most recent firmware apparently fixed some of the broken content, but everything I've retested has still had the elevated blacks.

Hm I have a B7 and Apple TV but haven't noticed anything. I do see imperfect blacks but assumed it was just the film. Do you have any specific examples?
 

tokkun

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Oct 27, 2017
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So like. Worth it getting the C8 over the C7? It's almost double the price.

You could buy a C7 today, then buy the C8 in a year's time with the money you saved and have both TVs.

When you think about it that way, it's pretty hard to argue for buying the C8 now, unless money is not an object.
 

Mike Works

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Hm I have a B7 and Apple TV but haven't noticed anything. I do see imperfect blacks but assumed it was just the film. Do you have any specific examples?
I'm at work right now, but off the top of my head Mute on Netflix has this issue. It's actually a good thing that the issue affects Netflix (and Amazon, Apple movies, etc), since it's easy to switch back and forth between the HDMI Netflix and the built-in Netflix app (which has zero issues) to compare.
 

Ashhong

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I'm at work right now, but off the top of my head Mute on Netflix has this issue. It's actually a good thing that the issue affects Netflix (and Amazon, Apple movies, etc), since it's easy to switch back and forth between the HDMI Netflix and the built-in Netflix app (which has zero issues) to compare.

Ah, I meant maybe a movie on Apple TV. I don't have 4k Netflix. I have a fair bit of DV movies on iTunes and haven't really experienced it. I'll take a look on google
 
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