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Television Displays and Technology Thread: The ERA of OLED is Now
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What size?
I'd prolly either spring for a 900F or save some coin and buy the (probably cheaper) 900E. FALD vs edge lit is a big deal.
Bought a E7 55-inch for $1400. After playing with it and testing out multiple 24fps content, the microstuttering is absolutely killing me. I'm coming up from the Panasonic VIERA TC-P50GT50 plasma TV which I absolutely love. I've babied it for 5 years and have no burn-in problems so I bet I can manage OLED just fine. However, the microstuttering is making it extremely difficult to tell what's happening on the screen. My question is does the black-interpolation on the C8 make this stuttering more bearable? The screen itself looks amazing on the OLED but the motion clarity is a dealbreaker for me. Would a Q9F be more right for me? Or am I going to have to just wait until few more years for the tech to catch up?
That is what killed OLED for me too. The 24fps content stuttering was horrible due to the instantaneous response time.
Depends on what you're used to, not a coincidence most complaints come from old plasma owners.
As a plasma owner this scares me. Shouldn't BFI be a good measure against it though?
Plasmas "flicker" at something like 600Hz, so it is very difficult to see the flickering. It is what helps mask the stuttering.
BFI should help. But current OLED displays can only insert a black frame at a much lower frequency since the panels are only 120Hz. So you can see the flicker, particularly with 24fps.
LCDs with LED backlighting can actually flicker the backlight a lot more quickly than OLEDs because it's easier and faster to address the larger backlight blocks. You don't have to blank the LCD, you just have to blank the backlight. In fact, I read that current Samsung QLEDs actually use PWM to adjust the backlight intensity, which essentially amounts to high frequency BFI (although the frequency would depend on the brightness of the region).
I came from a Kuro and don't have any problems with OLED movement.
Does anyone use bias lighting in their oled?
I want to put one since the eye strain is killing me
I want to put one since the eye strain is killing me
Same. Although, admittedly, I'm also one of the people who's more prone to want to preserve the way images look in theater, and there's plenty of judder when you watch movies in the theater, so maybe I just don't notice it as much since I take for granted that it's supposed to look that way?
I was planning on waiting for a HDMI 2.1 set to replace my Panasonic 65VT50 but my mate just got an LG C7 OLED and it's blown my tiny brain.
I want one now :(
I want one now :(
I got my 55" LG OLED B7 last Friday and spent all weekend playing with it - such an incredible TV! Everything from 1080p content to 4k to HDR content looks stunning.
I understand that I should use the TV's apps instead of the Xbox apps since the TV supports Dolby Vision. Is there any Dolby Vision content I can try outside of Netflix? I haven't (yet) upgraded my Netflix plan so for Netflix I only get 1080p / SDR for now. What about on Amazon Prime or YouTube?
I understand that I should use the TV's apps instead of the Xbox apps since the TV supports Dolby Vision. Is there any Dolby Vision content I can try outside of Netflix? I haven't (yet) upgraded my Netflix plan so for Netflix I only get 1080p / SDR for now. What about on Amazon Prime or YouTube?
Exactly. I've never used any motion smoothing or interpolation before, even on the plasma, so my eye is trained and accustomed to it.
Actually, judder in the theater isn't as bad as as sample and hold OLEDs without BFI because they flicker the film projection (well, they used to flicker the film, not sure of the digital solution, if there is one, currently) at either 48Hz (2x the frame rate) or 72Hz (3x the frame rate) by literally putting a black plate (on a wheel) in front of the film. :)
So, I just got called back from LG, who says they wont cover the burn in on my OLED TV and that I'd have to pay a service technician to fix it. I declined, as I can only see it in certain rare conditions, and then only barely.
What TV do you have again? No current firmware has fixed this issue on the B6 so not worth updating if you own that set.
Interesting.
Back when Pioneer's had the magic 72hz refresh for 24p, that was probably about as good as I've seen on any TV. Looked perfectly filmic. Panasonic did 48 and 96 and they both looked terrible (48 felt like it was practically going to give you a stroke).
With most theaters having converted to digital awhile back, to your point, I wonder what the solution is there? (if there is one at all).
Thankfully i guess i don't notice much difference between 24p on my OLED and what I've seen in theaters.
Rent a dolby vision movie on vudu and give it a whirl. You really should probably upgrade to 4k netflix though. It's like 3 dollars more.
THX Launches New TV And Audio Rating System - And, Well, It's A Bit Controversial
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnar...ting-system-and-well-its-a-bit-controversial/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnar...ting-system-and-well-its-a-bit-controversial/
Didn't know TeKFaN was running THX, congrats fam.
It is totally known by now but if you havent noticed DOTSLASHDOT must assert his OLED dominance any chance he gets. It's almost like he's just yelling at the sky. We get it bruh, you like your OLED!
On a quasi related note I've been waiting to see how low prices on the B7 get in Canada and it's still hovering around $2000 for the 55". That's still so ridiculous, what are the chances they could go lower now that the 8 series is out? Or am I playing with fire and stock will run out soon and I'll be hooped?
Oh boy.
Waiting for the GearDraxon gif...
but honestly, based on the emphasis on cinematic "low light" conditions as part of the scoring, that makes even less sense...
Bust their balls harder. Threaten (in a nice way) to never buy an LG product again etc. There's been reports of this working if you don't take no for an answer.
I mean, is the issue with 24fps content, particularly if the complaint is microstutter, because OLEDs are doing 3:2 pulldown on the image, whereas quite a few plasmas (including my Kuro) could natively display 24fps with even frame multiples? That doesn't really have anything to do with the image blur part of the equation. Of course, 24fps motion is going to be juttery anyway due to the low framerate, but that's why films look the way they do right now versus playing a game at 60fps.
Watched a few movies on my c7 already and this didn't bother me coming from my 9 year old plasma.
Well no, it's not $3 more, it's $36 more per year, and right now all I'm watching on Netflix is Friends and various comedy stand-up specials. I'll upgrade when there's a new show I want to watch that truly benefits from 4K / HDR. For now I just want to test things out for a couple of minutes.
Microstutter isn't the correct term. It is judder. It is there on all OLEDs but whether you are susceptible is another thing. Probably worth trying in a store before buying.
According to a series of posts at AVSforum, the LG OLEDs this year force 3:2 pulldown when using BFI:
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ol...-c8p-versus-samsung-q9fn-12.html#post56073692
Amazon Prime has 4K/HDR content. Look for the "UHD" banners in the upper corners of the show/movie images. They also have a "4K" section; some is 4K w/ no HDR however. (And I'd second the Netflix recommendation. It's got some of the best 4K HDR picture quality available, short of UHD disc.)
Wow. I'm not a video engineer, but that seems like a bad way to go about that...
Pioneer had 72hz figured out 10 yrs ago. Idk why that is so hard to implement now.
Yeah I found some of that - is their HDR all Dolby Vision though? Or is some of it HDR10?
Obviously I meant 3 dollars more per month. There's a decent amount of great Dolby Vision content on Netflix, that's why I suggested it. Altered Carbon and Lost in Space are visually stunning, as is Chef's Table, the Marvel shows, and a bunch of other stuff. Aside from UHD discs and VUDU rentals it's pretty much the only option.
Edit: Amazon and Youtube are 100 percent HDR10 afaik.
You can tell what's HDR10 and what's Dolby Vision by the pop up in the right corner. If it's DV is pops up the Dolby logo and says VISION, for HDR10 it says HDR. I'm fairly certain the only Dolby Vision streaming is on Netflix and Vudu. And movies on AppleTV 4k.
I thought similarly. Google yielded this:
https://hdguru.com/amazon-begins-dolby-vision-content-support/
(Can i also mention how much i cannot stand when news outlets don't timestamp their articles. I have no idea when that article was written, but last fall, Amazon didn't have anything in DV iirc)
I had a Panasonic x800u that had thx certification which meant nothing. I imagine this will be the same.
It's not DOTSLASHDOT's fault, you are angry about not owning the best is it? Stop being cheap and buy one, instead of whinging :)
lol
totally missed that the THX page rates the P607 TCL above the 930E.
mkay.
My broader opinion, esp on the audio side, is that THX has been meaningless, even at the height of it's popularity (even tho Tomlinson Holman has written a couple decent books)
totally missed that the THX page rates the P607 TCL above the 930E.
mkay.
Yep, my 55ST60 had the mode as well. Had an odd green hue to it.
My broader opinion, esp on the audio side, is that THX has been meaningless, even at the height of it's popularity (even tho Tomlinson Holman has written a couple decent books)
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It's honestly so weird to follow them on Twitter. Because, for all intents and purposes, they have nothing to contribute. No audio standard or object based audio codec. No contribution to any picture quality standard; e.g. Dolby Vision, HDR10, Technicolor etc.
They sort of seem like they just sat back and let 4K/HDR/object-based audio happen, without any planning of where they would fit into the mix.
Oh holy shit I had COMPLETELY forgotten about that.
The founder of Razer is their CEO (just looked on their "about" section)
It all makes sense now. No further questions.
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