What size?What do you guys think about the QLED Q6? Anybody owns it? It is on sale, looks like an good edge lit LCD.
Bought a E7 55-inch for $1400. After playing with it and testing out multiple 24fps content, the microstuttering is absolutely killing me. I'm coming up from the Panasonic VIERA TC-P50GT50 plasma TV which I absolutely love. I've babied it for 5 years and have no burn-in problems so I bet I can manage OLED just fine. However, the microstuttering is making it extremely difficult to tell what's happening on the screen. My question is does the black-interpolation on the C8 make this stuttering more bearable? The screen itself looks amazing on the OLED but the motion clarity is a dealbreaker for me. Would a Q9F be more right for me? Or am I going to have to just wait until few more years for the tech to catch up?
So some people say the 24fps content is unbearable. Is that one of those affects some doesn't affect other deals?
Depends on what you're used to, not a coincidence most complaints come from old plasma owners.
As a plasma owner this scares me. Shouldn't BFI be a good measure against it though?
As a plasma owner this scares me. Shouldn't BFI be a good measure against it though?
Depends on what you're used to, not a coincidence most complaints come from old plasma owners.
Same. Although, admittedly, I'm also one of the people who's more prone to want to preserve the way images look in theater, and there's plenty of judder when you watch movies in the theater, so maybe I just don't notice it as much since I take for granted that it's supposed to look that way?I came from a Kuro and don't have any problems with OLED movement.
Same. Although, admittedly, I'm also one of the people who's more prone to want to preserve the way images look in theater, and there's plenty of judder when you watch movies in the theater, so maybe I just don't notice it as much since I take for granted that it's supposed to look that way?
I came from a Kuro and don't have any problems with OLED movement.
Same. Although, admittedly, I'm also one of the people who's more prone to want to preserve the way images look in theater, and there's plenty of judder when you watch movies in the theater, so maybe I just don't notice it as much since I take for granted that it's supposed to look that way?
escalate it. Push it until you get the resolution you needSo, I just got called back from LG, who says they wont cover the burn in on my OLED TV and that I'd have to pay a service technician to fix it. I declined, as I can only see it in certain rare conditions, and then only barely.
dallow_bg did you find the instructions to rollback LG firmware yet?
I at least want to update to see if the Dolby Vision issues I've been having with my Apple TV would get fixed with the update, then decide whether to rollback or not depending.
Interesting.Actually, judder in the theater isn't as bad as as sample and hold OLEDs without BFI because they flicker the film projection (well, they used to flicker the film, not sure of the digital solution, if there is one, currently) at either 48Hz (2x the frame rate) or 72Hz (3x the frame rate) by literally putting a black plate (on a wheel) in front of the film. :)
What TV do you have again? No current firmware has fixed this issue on the B6 so not worth updating if you own that set.
Rent a dolby vision movie on vudu and give it a whirl. You really should probably upgrade to 4k netflix though. It's like 3 dollars more.I got my 55" LG OLED B7 last Friday and spent all weekend playing with it - such an incredible TV! Everything from 1080p content to 4k to HDR content looks stunning.
I understand that I should use the TV's apps instead of the Xbox apps since the TV supports Dolby Vision. Is there any Dolby Vision content I can try outside of Netflix? I haven't (yet) upgraded my Netflix plan so for Netflix I only get 1080p / SDR for now. What about on Amazon Prime or YouTube?
Acclaimed independent AV product testing and standards brand THX has launched a new product rating system aimed at giving consumers an at a glance guide to the very best kit money can buy.
Called THX Standard, the new ratings system is designed, in THX's own words, to 'give you data-driven comparisons of popular electronics to make informed purchase decisions unbiased by an editorial perspective.'
THX Launches New TV And Audio Rating System - And, Well, It's A Bit Controversial
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnar...ting-system-and-well-its-a-bit-controversial/
The next surprise is that the Sony 55X900E (55XE9005 in Europe) that currently sits at the top of the THX Standard rating list scores three marks higher than the LG OLED55B7 OLED TV; 73 versus 70.
I thought this was known / recognized? Dark scenes with bright highlights (OLED), bright scenes with brighter highlights (flagship LED).
Oh boy.
So, I just got called back from LG, who says they wont cover the burn in on my OLED TV and that I'd have to pay a service technician to fix it. I declined, as I can only see it in certain rare conditions, and then only barely.
As a plasma owner this scares me. Shouldn't BFI be a good measure against it though?
There's no 3:2 pulldown. 24 is an even multiple of 120I mean, is the issue with 24fps content, particularly if the complaint is microstutter, because OLEDs are doing 3:2 pulldown on the image, whereas quite a few plasmas (including my Kuro) could natively display 24fps with even frame multiples? That doesn't really have anything to do with the image blur part of the equation. Of course, 24fps motion is going to be juttery anyway due to the low framerate, but that's why films look the way they do right now versus playing a game at 60fps.
As a plasma owner this scares me. Shouldn't BFI be a good measure against it though?
Well no, it's not $3 more, it's $36 more per year, and right now all I'm watching on Netflix is Friends and various comedy stand-up specials. I'll upgrade when there's a new show I want to watch that truly benefits from 4K / HDR. For now I just want to test things out for a couple of minutes.Rent a dolby vision movie on vudu and give it a whirl. You really should probably upgrade to 4k netflix though. It's like 3 dollars more.
I mean, is the issue with 24fps content, particularly if the complaint is microstutter, because OLEDs are doing 3:2 pulldown on the image, whereas quite a few plasmas (including my Kuro) could natively display 24fps with even frame multiples? That doesn't really have anything to do with the image blur part of the equation. Of course, 24fps motion is going to be juttery anyway due to the low framerate, but that's why films look the way they do right now versus playing a game at 60fps.
FYI, on the 2018 LG OLEDs, BFI disables "Real Cinema" (it becomes grayed out). All 24p signals get converted to 60p with 3:2 judder and black frames are inserted every other 120Hz frame. In summary, BFI always strobes at 60Hz regardless of signal.
Confirmed with 1000 fps camera I recorded myself. Maybe if I'm bored this weekend I'll make another animated gif.
Each original 24fps frame is displayed like this:
Frame1:Black:Frame1:Black:Frame2:Black:Frame2:Blac k:Frame2:Black,Frame3 etc.
The Sony A1E did support a different mode which strobed at what looked like 48Hz or lower with 24p HDMI signals. The flicker was unbearable so not really useful. If you set your disc player to 60p HDMI output, it looked identical to what LG is now doing.
Amazon Prime has 4K/HDR content. Look for the "UHD" banners in the upper corners of the show/movie images. They also have a "4K" section; some is 4K w/ no HDR however. (And I'd second the Netflix recommendation. It's got some of the best 4K HDR picture quality available, short of UHD disc.)Well no, it's not $3 more, it's $36 more per year, and right now all I'm watching on Netflix is Friends and various comedy stand-up specials. I'll upgrade when there's a new show I want to watch that truly benefits from 4K / HDR. For now I just want to test things out for a couple of minutes.
According to a series of posts at AVSforum, the LG OLEDs this year force 3:2 pulldown when using BFI:
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ol...-c8p-versus-samsung-q9fn-12.html#post56073692
Yeah I found some of that - is their HDR all Dolby Vision though? Or is some of it HDR10?Amazon Prime has 4K/HDR content. Look for the "UHD" banners in the upper corners of the show/movie images. They also have a "4K" section; some is 4K w/ no HDR however. (And I'd second the Netflix recommendation. It's got some of the best 4K HDR picture quality available, short of UHD disc.)
Obviously I meant 3 dollars more per month. There's a decent amount of great Dolby Vision content on Netflix, that's why I suggested it. Altered Carbon and Lost in Space are visually stunning, as is Chef's Table, the Marvel shows, and a bunch of other stuff. Aside from UHD discs and VUDU rentals it's pretty much the only option.Well no, it's not $3 more, it's $36 more per year, and right now all I'm watching on Netflix is Friends and various comedy stand-up specials. I'll upgrade when there's a new show I want to watch that truly benefits from 4K / HDR. For now I just want to test things out for a couple of minutes.
Their as in Amazon?Yeah I found some of that - is their HDR all Dolby Vision though? Or is some of it HDR10?
I thought similarly. Google yielded this:You can tell what's HDR10 and what's Dolby Vision by the pop up in the right corner. If it's DV is pops up the Dolby logo and says VISION, for HDR10 it says HDR. I'm fairly certain the only Dolby Vision streaming is on Netflix and Vudu. And movies on AppleTV 4k.
THX Launches New TV And Audio Rating System - And, Well, It's A Bit Controversial
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnar...ting-system-and-well-its-a-bit-controversial/
It is totally known by now but if you havent noticed DOTSLASHDOT must assert his OLED dominance any chance he gets. It's almost like he's just yelling at the sky. We get it bruh, you like your OLED!
On a quasi related note I've been waiting to see how low prices on the B7 get in Canada and it's still hovering around $2000 for the 55". That's still so ridiculous, what are the chances they could go lower now that the 8 series is out? Or am I playing with fire and stock will run out soon and I'll be hooped?
Yep, my 55ST60 had the mode as well. Had an odd green hue to it.I had a Panasonic x800u that had thx certification which meant nothing. I imagine this will be the same.
It's honestly so weird to follow them on Twitter. Because, for all intents and purposes, they have nothing to contribute. No audio standard or object based audio codec. No contribution to any picture quality standard; e.g. Dolby Vision, HDR10, Technicolor etc.
Oh holy shit I had COMPLETELY forgotten about that.After THX was acquired by Razer, it really cemented to me how they've become a shell of their former self over the years.
LOLAfter THX was acquired by Razer, it really cemented to me how they've become a shell of their former self over the years.