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kc44135

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Oct 25, 2017
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This will never get GameCube. The fact that they're going out of their way to plaster Nintendo Entertainment System classics all over it makes me think we won't even get anything else other than NES. Would definitely be Nintendo-like.
Hmmm, good point there. They do emphasize "NES" quite a bit here. :(
So I have a question. A question that is completely separate to the cloud saves issue but is in response to many comments in this thread.

Do people not like NES games any more? Are they not still classics? Why is there not more excitement when there was loads for the NES Classic?
The issue isn't with NES games themselves. They're still great stuff, all these years later. The issue is that people wanted more than just this. They wanted a robust VC with tons of retro games, which is not unreasonable as an expectation, given that prior Nintendo systems had it. It seems Switch will not at this point, however.
I'm confused. Nintendo flat out says this service will have NES games added for free when they announced this service, and there's multiple posts complaining it's not GameCube games.

Who ever said GameCube games?
Eh, people have asked for GameCube games for years and years. Nintendo themselves never said we were getting GC games or even any kind of VC really, but Eurogamer said a long time ago there would be a full VC with GC games prior to Switch's launch. Since then, people have had the expectation that Switch would eventually have them. Most of them forget that the leak was proven fake afterwards, tho.
 

Firemind

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Oct 25, 2017
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Okay but The Legend of Zelda, SMB1+3. We can only imagine that Metroid will get in there too at some point. 2/3 of a NES Classic for £18 (a year) seems like a pretty sweet deal, especially as they'll add more games.
Online functionality is one of the new features for these 30 year old games and, I'm sorry, Zelda is terrible for multiplayer. Taking turns in SMB is alright but still not really ideal.
 

YukiroCTX

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This is still kind of terrible and at least expected more given the delays. This just means that I'm probably going to stop buying and playing a few particular games as I'm more of a local play, SP player. Splatoon and Arms spring to mind as I don't really enjoy their SP and local options.
 

shinken

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Oct 27, 2017
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If they had an on-demand 'Netflix for classic Nintendo' library, where you could go all you can eat for games up to say, Gamecube era as long as you're subscribed it would be wonderful.

This is just pointless.
Sure, if you like to pay 100 a year. That's like asking Sony to give away PS Now when you are PSN subscriber.
 

Clov

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Oct 25, 2017
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If they had an on-demand 'Netflix for classic Nintendo' library, where you could go all you can eat for games up to say, Gamecube era as long as you're subscribed it would be wonderful.

This is just pointless.

This is what I'm hoping this eventually becomes. Put GB, GBC, and GBA on there while they're at it. Maybe even DS games if they can get that figured out on Switch.
 

Kouriozan

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Oct 25, 2017
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Hmm' we kept hearing how Nintendo's online would be innovative and stuff, after reading the news I'm like "that's it?"
At least I'm not an online gamer so I will skip this.
 

Raijinto

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so just to be clear, when this launches, you cant play online with a sub anymore, for example in Mario Kart correct? Like PS+?

I don't think anyone has answered your question yet but there will be the requirement for the subscription for Mario Kart, ARMS, Splatoon 2 and others as per the PR. There will apparently be some games that do not require it but that's a mystery as of this point. Basically in any of the Nintendo games from September onwards with online you'll need to subscribe to play online.
 

kc44135

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I do think too many people are sleeping on the classic games element.

Included in the subscription we have these classic games, with added online features, all for no extra cost, with more to be added regularly including SNES and probably more consoles.

That's huge and would have been worth the price alone in my view. It's pretty much what we've wanted for a long time, just wish it didn't have the dripfeed, but I get why.
That would be awesome, and I'd be more than ok with it. However, we don't have anything close to confirmation that will be the case. It's just NES games right now.
 

Serebii

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If it was just these 20 games and nothing ever again then I'd understand the complaints but they have outright said there will be more added regularly
 

Rhaknar

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I don't think anyone has answered your question yet but there will be the requirement for the subscription for Mario Kart, ARMS, Splatoon 2 and others as per the PR. There will apparently be some games that do not require it but that's a mystery as of this point. Basically in any of the Nintendo games from September onwards with online you'll need to subscribe to play online.

gotcha thank you, and I obviously meant "without a sub" not with lol
 

Hate

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Oct 26, 2017
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Wait. How many people can play online on one console with ONE paid PSN subscription? Sony added some kind of 7 Family members thingy too since firmware 5.0.0.
But I don't know if that includes online play or just managerial stuff.
Nintendo is 35 for up to 7 people. I do agree that Nintendo should have an backup save app on the console itself.

PS4 has a maximum of 16 user profiles of which only 7 can have their own PSN account but all 16 can use the privileges a single PS Plus offers including online play.
 

Clov

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If it was just these 20 games and nothing ever again then I'd understand the complaints but they have outright said there will be more added regularly

So far only NES has been announced. While I love the NES as much as everyone, it's not very exciting having a Netflix-esque service for just NES. Especially when Nintendo has a great catalogue of games outside of that.
 

Prattle

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Oct 30, 2017
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They need to get the chat API out there.

Psyonix need Rocket League voice chat routed through the phone app.

I should be able to load Rocket League, load the app and have it follow me into any online RL games I join.

The app should have the list of players in the game with the mute options on the phone screen.
 

SlickShoes

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Oct 27, 2017
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None of it looks like good value for me. My switch isn't my main console so the price being a third of the home consoles sort of makes sense, but then paying a subscription on something I don't play all the time seems like bad value to me. I have no desire to play NES games anymore, I am 35 now and have played NES games all my life, there is no chance I am paying for these AGAIN.

We already pay a premium for the games on this console, paying even more money just sours me on the whole experience especially when the online stuff is so convoluted already with the app.
 

Protome

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Oct 27, 2017
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My issue with voice chat is that it's the default. Without it being the default, games will have to be designed around that. And thus make voice chat unnecessary.

Muting does not solve that. Games being designed without voice chat in mind at all does.
Games are very rarely designed around that though, this is already something which isn't happening. Nintendo's choice to restrict voice chat to a shitty mobile app solely harms users, it doesn't impact anything else.
 

MrKlaw

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Oct 25, 2017
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Wait. How many people can play online on one console with ONE paid PSN subscription? Sony added some kind of 7 Family members thingy too since firmware 5.0.0.
But I don't know if that includes online play or just managerial stuff.
Nintendo is 35 for up to 7 people. I do agree that Nintendo should have an backup save app on the console itself.

If a console is set as the primary console for the PS+ subscriber, then any number of accounts can play online on that PS4

However - only the account holder gets online saves. It's the only part of PS+ that isn't shared. It's my biggest issue with PS+. I can't justify a second subscription just so my kid can have save backups

Xbox lets all users have online saves - even non gold subscribers I think
 

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If it was just these 20 games and nothing ever again then I'd understand the complaints but they have outright said there will be more added regularly
I can see that. But the least thing they could do is to announce more platforms than just NES and SNES. And their plan on how many new games they'll release each month (if it's even a new games per month thing, we don't know).

We've all lived through the VC release schedule. That was bad.
 

Axass

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Oct 25, 2017
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If it was just these 20 games and nothing ever again then I'd understand the complaints but they have outright said there will be more added regularly
I wanna see the receipts. They had also said the online service was coming a year ago, yet here we are, still waiting.

I don't trust corporations, their word means nothing, especially when they aren't specifying a time frame.
 
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I've said this earlier in the thread, but there's no way they're gonna give you everything in their library up to GamCube for $20, and if there was some sort of pproper VC alternative to this, we'd know by now, over a year into the Switch's life. I think NES and maybe SNES are the extent of the retro offerings we're getting on Switch. It's very disappointing.

My hope is that there will also be a conventional/traditional Virtual Console (individual purchasing of titles) with games for all the other systems up to Wii, and that the Online Subscription will give you access to big (like really big) discounts on those titles.
 

shinken

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Oct 27, 2017
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PS4 has a maximum of 16 user profiles of which only 7 can have their own PSN account but all 16 can use the privileges a single PS Plus offers including online play.

If a console is set as the primary console for the PS+ subscriber, then any number of accounts can play online on that PS4

However - only the account holder gets online saves. It's the only part of PS+ that isn't shared. It's my biggest issue with PS+. I can't justify a second subscription just so my kid can have save backups

Xbox lets all users have online saves - even non gold subscribers I think
Is that since 5.0.0? That's good to know regardless.
 

McNum

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Oct 26, 2017
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Games are very rarely designed around that though, this is already something which isn't happening. Nintendo's choice to restrict voice chat to a shitty mobile app solely harms users, it doesn't impact anything else.
I don't see the harm. If you really want voice chat, you can, but for those of us who really don't. Well, welcome to our world for the last decade or so. Now you get to jump through hoops to get your preferred method while I just hit play in the game and leave the app closed.

Voice chat has never been a priority for me, and has been a fairly major reason to not want to pay for online in the first place. Why on Earth would I pay for what I hate? I will pay for this, though. Nothing I hate, and I like NES games. Plus, you know, Smash is coming.
 

Protome

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Oct 27, 2017
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I don't see the harm. If you really want voice chat, you can, but for those of us who really don't. Well, welcome to our world for the last decade or so. Now you get to jump through hoops to get your preferred method while I just hit play in the game and leave the app closed.

Voice chat has never been a priority for me, and has been a fairly major reason to not want to pay for online in the first place. Why on Earth would I pay for what I hate? I will pay for this, though. Nothing I hate, and I like NES games. Plus, you know, Smash is coming.
The harm is their voice chat option is bad. I wouldn't care if they wanted to default voice chat to off, or only to party chat which would solve your issues (and hell, I mostly only use Party chat on PSN anyway.) The problem is the voice chat being restricted to a phone makes it near enough unusable because you then can't hear game audio as well (and also, the audio quality of the app as it is now is pretty much unusably bad.)

I'd be fine if I had to jump through hoops to get my preferred method as you say, but the hoops aren't even there to jump through.

I'll just settle for local multiplayer in Smash I guess, because I'm not paying for a terrible system like this.
 

shinken

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Oct 27, 2017
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No, only the "primary" account's games can be played on a switch. We have a switch each, not one we share.
If you already have multiple Switches, then you know you can't share digital games, since digital games can only be activated on one console. Family sharing is just for the online subscription.
 

McNum

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The harm is their voice chat option is bad. I wouldn't care if they wanted to default voice chat to off, or only to party chat which would solve your issues (and hell, I mostly only use Party chat on PSN anyway.) The problem is the voice chat being restricted to a phone makes it near enough unusable because you then can't hear game audio as well (and also, the audio quality of the app as it is now is pretty much unusably bad.)

I'd be fine if I had to jump through hoops to get my preferred method as you say, but the hoops aren't even there to jump through.
I'll agree that far, yes. The voice chat option could be better for those who want to use it. When it compares poorly to just setting up a group call on Discord, yeah... room for improvement.

I just disagree that voice chat being secondary is a bad thing. But it should be functional for those who want to use it.
 

Soph

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That's far too cheap, what are they even going to offer for such a meager donation each month?
 

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Online functionality is one of the new features for these 30 year old games and, I'm sorry, Zelda is terrible for multiplayer. Taking turns in SMB is alright but still not really ideal.
Okay but you're not being forced to play any of these multiplayer. They're the full original games and some have additional features. So again, why don't people seem to be excited for a pretty good value package of NES games?
 

Nere

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Dec 8, 2017
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Nes games again? That is their grand plan instead of VC? How many times can we play those Nes games? I was expecting something better but nope, Nintendo sticking to the same.
 

Kentsui

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I do think too many people are sleeping on the classic games element.

Included in the subscription we have these classic games, with added online features, all for no extra cost, with more to be added regularly including SNES and probably more consoles.

That's huge and would have been worth the price alone in my view. It's pretty much what we've wanted for a long time, just wish it didn't have the dripfeed, but I get why.

Or maybe you're leaning too much on the very vocal interest of a few enthusiasts on this.

The issue isn't the way this netflix like service is presented as a standalone thing it can become a great replacement for what was once called Virtual console.
The issue is that it is thrown in that paid service as a way to make it's value feel worth it and from person to person it won't have nearly the same value.
Aside from it you have the online itself that doesn't hint at any kind of substantial improvements and cloud saves that are a solution that is only welcome because of arbitrary restrictions put on the system.

As far as I am concerned this service adds zero value to the whole offer and the rest of the package isn't remotely convincing enough on it'so own.

It'll be fun to have to pay that for the bare-bones online features of the next Pokémon game on top of Bank to be able to transfer everything ...
 

B-Man

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Oct 27, 2017
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Do we know if those 20 games will always be available as long as your subscription is up ? or do they rotate every couple of months or something ?
I've tried searching their new online section on Nintendo's website, but i can't find the answer to this in the FAQ or in the games list page
 

Nere

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That article just states that old games are coming but not under the "Virtual Console" banner. The article headline is poor and is what is causing the outcry because some people do not read past the headline.

Where do you see that? Because all I see is this:

When asked by Kotaku if games from other platforms will appear on the Switch's online subscription, Nintendo's spokesperson said the company had "nothing to announce on this topic."
 
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Do we know if those 20 games will always be available as long as your subscription is up ? or do they rotate every couple of months or something ?
I've tried searching their new online section on Nintendo's website, but i can't find the answer to this in the FAQ or in the games list page
It's an ongoing collection. You have access as long as you keep your subscription.
 

Gradon

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If the family account has no restrictions across 8 different accounts I'll probably just share it with friends.
 

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Where do you see that? Because all I see is this:

That quote is an answer to gamecube games. Earlier in the article they talk about how classic games are available on the Switch.

Edit: I didn't read your post well enough, my apologies. The second sentence stands though.
 
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Hate

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Oct 26, 2017
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Do we know if all the games can be accessed even if you subscribe later?

PS plus has this thing where you won't be able to get a specific month's games if you subscribed later.
 

jts

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Oct 26, 2017
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Good going Nintendo, we had to play online for free 9 more months, for this? Could have been paying the whole time ffs.
 

SixelAlexiS

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Do we know if, with the "Family Plan", the other 7 people will have access to Cloud Saves, or only the person who actually pay has it?

Thanks.
 

New Donker

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We know SNES games will be added but I wonder about N64. Online original smash would be pretty dope