JurassicERA |OT| A New World Rises from a Fallen Kingdom

Deleted member 10060 · May 6, 2018

There is a slight chance that the actual model being used in the new cgi is better than the animatronic. From the start there has been something off about that eye. Should have had more skin folds, scales etc. Just compare it to when Lex shines the flashlight into the Rex's eye in JP.

I'm not holding out hope however. The quality of the model isn't gonna matter when the quality of the cgi is this shitty.

My faint hope though, is that they realized how wrong their Rex looks, and they've chosen to redesign it to be more JP accurate. Fat chance, I know.

Strafer · May 6, 2018

Such a shame that people worked hard on the animatronics and they end up using CGI instead, fuck that.

Hope it's not studio meddling.

Imagine if this scene had been CGI, would have been terrible.

Amalthea · May 6, 2018

It makes no sense. It looks less detailed and just shittier. It doesn't even look like it belongs to the T-Rex.

Deleted member 10060 · May 6, 2018

Amalthea said:
It makes no sense. It looks less detailed and just shittier. It doesn't even look like it belongs to the T-Rex.

They probably figured they hadn't spent enough money, so they decided to redesign the Rex a month before the movie is out. Would have to scrap all inaccurate models then. They cg'd over the indoraptor, so why not here?

I think these studios could use smaller budgets where they actually have to commit to a design once it's done. This is starting to reek og cg just to cg.

Anton Sugar · May 6, 2018

Gonna wait for a high quality version before I freak out, but a replacement like that doesn't inspire confidence in the overall CG.

Although the carnotaurus CG looks fucking amazing, I must say.

DemonCarnotaur · May 6, 2018

Been getting a weird amount of flak for highlighting this change online. I'm a bit flabbergasted.

I've said this a few times, but the main concern in this article isn't that it's CG, but the fact that the new CG looks so bad and is an evolution from a shot that looked so good.

If the previous shot was CG, and it looked great, I'd assume an old shot was mistakenly used. But you just don't mistakenly render CG for a shot that was an animatronic prior, so this footage certainly is new. However, it is possible it's not for the film.

As the new Rex CG is inconsistent with the quality displayed elsewhere, I theorize that this shot isn't from the film, & is a weird promo remix where the Rex transitions into a shot not from the film, and it was mistakenly used.

The CG overlay would make sense for ad consistency

Ororo · May 6, 2018

I have to say that to me both shots look bad and both shots look like CG to me (based on the pic posted), but yeah the new one is worse.

It's similar to the Jurassic Park 3D CG Rex they used to promote the movie which looked worse than the animatronic but they needed to justify the budget so they made it and used it.

DemonCarnotaur · May 6, 2018

sdp said:
I have to say that to me both shots look bad and both shots look like CG to me (based on the pic posted), but yeah the new one is worse.

It's similar to the Jurassic Park 3D CG Rex they used to promote the movie which looked worse than the animatronic but they needed to justify the budget so they made it and used it.

The compression is causing that - here are those original shots in direct feed

SkyMasterson · May 6, 2018

DemonCarnotaur said:
The compression is causing that - here are those original shots in direct feed

Ugh, that looks so good and the cg from the previous post looks really bad.

Weren't they touting how this film had quite a few animatronics?

Anton Sugar · May 6, 2018

I hope you're right, Demon. It would be weird for placeholder CG to come out after the superior version, but it's happened before.

SkyMasterson · May 6, 2018

https://i.redd.it/lvlw1xgx2bw01.jpg

Ok, phew, looks like the T-Rex animatronic is in the movie.

Not sure why they would put it in a preview.

DemonCarnotaur · May 6, 2018

but why the hell does the footage exist to begin with, lol

I really wonder if we came super close to another The Thing (2011)

Curler · May 6, 2018

DemonCarnotaur said:
but why the hell does the footage exist to begin with, lol

I really wonder if we came super close to another The Thing (2011)

It is weird... for promotional/testing?

What's the story on The Thing?

Anton Sugar · May 6, 2018

Curler said:
It is weird... for promotional/testing?

What's the story on The Thing?

The Thing (2011) had Studio ADI do a ton of practical effects for the creatures. However, for whatever reason (I haven't found a clear answer?), the practical effects were completed painted over/replaced with CG "doubles". Very little practical work, solely, exists in the movie.

DemonCarnotaur · May 7, 2018

This video was brought to my attention recently, and sums up what happened with The Thing (though it doesn't show as many examples as it could of the rushed CG vs amazing practicals prior)

Strafer · May 7, 2018

DemonCarnotaur said:
but why the hell does the footage exist to begin with, lol

I really wonder if we came super close to another The Thing (2011)

Thank fucking god.

MoonsaultSlayer · May 7, 2018

I forget if this has been answered but will the JP 4k releases have 4k digital codes? I don't have a 4k player but want the collection but can only justify it if I can watch them in 4k digitally.

WhiteRabbitEXE · May 7, 2018

MoonsaultSlayer said:
I forget if this has been answered but will the JP 4k releases have 4k digital codes? I don't have a 4k player but want the collection but can only justify it if I can watch them in 4k digitally.

I don't think it specifically says anywhere for sure what the resolutions are, just that the set has digital copies in general, but I'd be beyond shocked if they weren't 4K. Especially since all the digital marketplaces have the 4K versions already.

Cow Mengde · May 7, 2018

So it looks like the toys are finally appearing in Canada.

Jawmuncher · May 7, 2018

That Indoraptor is a hot seller. Sold out in every store I have been to lately.

WhiteRabbitEXE · May 7, 2018

So I've had this for as long as I can remember, but I didn't realize just how old it was:

On a whim I looked it up, and apparently it's from all the way back to 1993? lol

Jawmuncher · May 7, 2018

WhiteRabbitEXE said:
So I've had this for as long as I can remember, but I didn't realize just how old it was:

On a whim I looked it up, and apparently it's from all the way back to 1993? lol

I used to have or at least recall seeing the Brachiosaurus Plush from JP1

MoonsaultSlayer · May 8, 2018

This came up in my Facebook memories. I know I shared this on gaf, but I'll share again because it's awesome.

An authentic, full-size Jurassic Park raptor prop/stand-in/promo statue thing on display at the Peabody Museum last year.

SkyMasterson · May 8, 2018

http://www.insideuniversal.net/2018...refurbishment-at-universal-studios-hollywood/

Well, there have been rumblings about this for a awhile now and it's official. The Jurassic Park ride at Universal Studios Hollywood will close on September 3rd.

The good news is they will still be using animatronics for the new ride. It also, sounds like ride design in general should be staying intact. Just now with Jurassic World theming.

I'm really going to miss the red and yellow theming. The Orlando and Japan iterations should be staying as is for awhile at least.

This bums me out as it's my favorite theme park ride. I get why they're doing it and it's arguably long overdue. The current animatronics have some severe wear and tear and the Ford jeep rarely works anymore.

22 years is a pretty solid run.

WhiteRabbitEXE · May 8, 2018

welp

At least I'm going on it this week.

(THE FUCKING DAY BEFORE THE EVENT)

Strafer · May 8, 2018

Well fuck, I have never been there and it has been my dream to visit.

Guess that will never happen now.

Thanks Universal.

SkyMasterson · May 8, 2018

Strafer said:
Well fuck, I have never been there and it has been my dream to visit.

Guess that will never happen now.

Thanks Universal.

Well, you still have four months. Also, you will have the Orlando and Japan versions of the ride unscathed(so far).

Jawmuncher · May 8, 2018

They need to do more than just the ride. The entire AREA needs to be refurbished. Jurassic Park land is one of the most depressing parts in the Park.

The ride is old and showing, the visitor center is 90% trash, and the theme of it is terrible. With most of it being damn carnival games.

When you go to Harry Potter land you feel like you're there. Jurassic Park world feels like a cheap attempt at recreating. They need to go all out and redo it like Jurassic world.

I first visited the Jurassic Park area when I was 10 I think? Had never knew true disappointment until that day.

Curler · May 8, 2018

Jawmuncher said:
They need to do more than just the ride. The entire AREA needs to be refurbished. Jurassic Park land is one of the most depressing parts in the Park.

The ride is old and showing, the visitor center is 90% trash, and the theme of it is terrible. With most of it being damn carnival games.

When you go to Harry Potter land you feel like you're there. Jurassic Park world feels like a cheap attempt at recreating. They need to go all out and redo it like Jurassic world.

I first visited the Jurassic Park area when I was 10 I think? Had never knew true disappointment until that day.

I think I saw on Youtube that the Orlando one has an abandoned JP experience? I remember the guy saying "this is where thr baby Triceratops used to be" and it was all modeled after like the visitor center a bit? Probably one of the Bright Sun Films Abandoned eps.

Jawmuncher · May 8, 2018

Curler said:
I think I saw on Youtube that the Orlando one has an abandoned JP experience? I remember the guy saying "this is where thr baby Triceratops used to be" and it was all modeled after like the visitor center a bit? Probably one of the Bright Sun Films Abandoned eps.

You can see a baby triceratops in the Visitor Center. But it's a puppet that a lab coat scientist carries around. It looks pretty good though. So we need more of that.

WhiteRabbitEXE · May 8, 2018

Jawmuncher said:
They need to go all out and redo it like Jurassic world.

But Jurassic World theming itself would be boring as fuck.

Jawmuncher · May 8, 2018

WhiteRabbitEXE said:
But Jurassic World theming itself would be boring as fuck.

If it means updating broken shit from the 90s and getting rid of the carnival games. So be it. Only universal JPN has a good Jurassic Park section out of all the parks

I'd rather a new generation of kids be happy and not as disappointed as I was in the Park than my own nostalgia and love for the original living as a shell of itself.

Anton Sugar · May 8, 2018

WhiteRabbitEXE said:
But Jurassic World theming itself would be boring as fuck.

Holographic dilophosaurs!!!

That's all I got.

Actually, they could probably do something fun with the hamster balls.

MoonsaultSlayer · May 9, 2018

Anton Sugar said:
Holographic dilophosaurs!!!

That's all I got.

Actually, they could probably do something fun with the hamster balls.

I think the best use of JW's aesthetic is having its sterile laboratory feel being contrasted by the post JW destruction, especially if they add volcanic imagery. They don't need to pretend it's a working park, just have it be a tour after the fact.

Anton Sugar · May 9, 2018

MoonsaultSlayer said:
I think the best use of JW's aesthetic is having its sterile laboratory feel being contrasted by the post JW destruction, especially if they add volcanic imagery. They don't need to pretend it's a working park, just have it be a tour after the fact.

Oh, good call. And if they wanted to, they could always take a nostalgic detour through the ruined/overgrown old park.

DemonCarnotaur · May 9, 2018

New TV Spot, but warning, it spoils a big late game surprise

Jawmuncher · May 9, 2018

DemonCarnotaur said:
New TV Spot, but warning, it spoils a big late game surprise

The late game surprise aint that thumbnail is it? lol

Curler · May 9, 2018

I feel like it doesn't reaaaaally spoil anything.

Like, ok the t rex is in a zoo. Pretty sure that means he escapes his cage... again... and is running around the city. Not that he was put IN SF zoo or anything. They all escape in every movie anyways :p

DemonCarnotaur · May 9, 2018

Jawmuncher said:
The late game surprise aint that thumbnail is it? lol

Nooopee

Don't watch if you don't know - the official JW accounts spoiled it with their thumbnail though so be warned there

Curler said:
I feel like it doesn't reaaaaally spoil anything.

Like, ok the t rex is in a zoo. Pretty sure that means he escapes his cage... again... and is running around the city. Not that he was put IN SF zoo or anything. They all escape in every movie anyways :p

Spoilers sometimes aren't about the story, but the moment and imagery. This was almost certainly a post climax 'oh shit whatttt' moment near the end.

Jawmuncher · May 9, 2018

Thanks for the heads up. I know with JW1 they love spoiling even cool small moments.

MoonsaultSlayer · May 9, 2018

We didn't have to know it was a spoiler. I saw the thumbnail last night and didn't watch because I thought it was fake.

But then the official Facebook page even mentioned it in context and thought "ok it is real, wonder how that plays out".

Sometimes being told there are spoilers is a spoiler.

Curler · May 9, 2018

I just don't see it as spoiler-material, or even the ending. We shall see... (gimme ticket pre-orders!)

Anton Sugar · May 9, 2018

Yeah, I would not have thought that was an end movie spoiler when I saw it. Before I watched it, I thought it was going to show Alan Grant or something.

Jawmuncher · May 9, 2018

I hope we get an end credits scene with Alan Grant.

MoonsaultSlayer · May 9, 2018

You know, marketing probably needed that shot just to quell some concern trolling. It is quite beautiful in contrast to the grey fogcano and dark mansion settings.

WhiteRabbitEXE · May 9, 2018

Random thought:

I want wild Quetzalcoatlus in JW3.

Curler · May 9, 2018

WhiteRabbitEXE said:
Random thought:

I want wild Quetzalcoatlus in JW3.

...flying next to a 747??

WhiteRabbitEXE · May 9, 2018

Curler said:
...flying next to a 747??

lol

Nah, just on land (good chance they didn't fly). They're just so fucking alien looking. Would be neat to see them on screen.

Curler · May 9, 2018

WhiteRabbitEXE said:
lol

Nah, just on land (good chance they didn't fly). They're just so fucking alien looking. Would be neat to see them on screen.

Oh? I mean, I know they often walked on their hands/knuckles/limbs, but I haven't heard anything to suggest that they didn't fly. Recently went to a Pterasaur exhibit early in the year, and nothing suggested that they didn't fly. They had a huge plastic model of one, but pretty sure they shrunk the wings to fit IN the exhibit hall. Otherwise that neck/head-to-wing ratio is something else :x

WhiteRabbitEXE · May 9, 2018

Curler said:
Oh? I mean, I know they often walked on their hands/knuckles/limbs, but I haven't heard anything to suggest that they didn't fly. Recently went to a Pterasaur exhibit early in the year, and nothing suggested that they didn't fly. They had a huge plastic model of one, but pretty sure they shrunk the wings to fit IN the exhibit hall. Otherwise that neck/head-to-wing ratio is something else :x

Guess I'm behind lol. Back in 2010 there was research that its mass would have been true great to maintain flight, but I guess the models were outdated and have since been refuted. Didn't realize it had been that long since I looked into it, lol.

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