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Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. S5 |OT| Six Seasons and a Seventh
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I will always find Yo-Yo/Fitz/Simmons being the bigger idiot about this situation because they're trying to break the loop but going with these invincible logic that actually goes against breaking the loop. Like seriously if everyone is trying to break the loop that would make you not invincible anymore really. That's why I can't side with them in the slightest.
We would have had an inherently evil manipulative and insane psionic who rebels against authority.
I mean, another one.
Nah. Ruby couldn't handle the gravitonium and YoYo was literally out of her mind with pain.
Except they've all backed down on it. Fitz and Jemma realized it back at the facility with the infusion chamber. YoYo maybe not, but at this point she's just trying to keep things under control and I think she's realized that her charging head first in like she has been isn't working.
Here are some 2018 Emmy Nomination Submissions for Agents of Shield:
Drama Series
Drama Actress – Chloe Bennet, Natalia Cordova-Buckley, Elizabeth Henstridge, Ming-Na Wen
Drama Actor – Iain De Caestecker, Clark Gregg, Henry Simmons
Drama Supporting Actor -Adrian Pasdar, Jeff Ward
Drama Guest Actress – Dove Cameron, Catherine Dent
Also, someone was saying a canceled or soon-to-be canceled show cannot be nominated for an Emmy; which means more good news for a Season Six? Anyone heard of that?
Drama Series
Drama Actress – Chloe Bennet, Natalia Cordova-Buckley, Elizabeth Henstridge, Ming-Na Wen
Drama Actor – Iain De Caestecker, Clark Gregg, Henry Simmons
Drama Supporting Actor -Adrian Pasdar, Jeff Ward
Drama Guest Actress – Dove Cameron, Catherine Dent
Also, someone was saying a canceled or soon-to-be canceled show cannot be nominated for an Emmy; which means more good news for a Season Six? Anyone heard of that?
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The show hasn't been nominated for an Emmy - and it won't be (outside of maybe a few of the technical categories). Those are just the ones they're submitting for.
Emmy nominations won't go out until mid July.
Emmy nominations won't go out until mid July.
No , She was listening to all the voices in her head , like creel .
If she was like talbot , crazy enough to not pay attention to the voices and do whatever..It would had been fine ...
talbot is the man , he listened to cassius , so you know everything's in control !
That's what I thought, isn't Once Upon a Time canceled?
Ah, will update.
But remember Ruby only got 8%, nowhere near enough to destroy Earth. If Ruby would have lived then Hale wouldn't have gone to the confederacy with her "burn everything" distraught mother mentality which means they would have never attacked the Shield base, which means Talbot would have never taken 100% of the gravitonium.
Things would have played out differently. In fact we can just as easily argue that Yo-Yo killing Ruby is what led to this, and that Yo Yo letting Ruby live is what breaks the loop :O :O
You can't possibly hold Yo-Yo responsible for the inane decisions made by others after she killed Ruby. I mean maybe Daisy talks her down. For five minutes until she sees a rat or stubs her toe or any of a million things that would break her concentration long enough for her to be overwhelmed. And yeah 8% was bad. Talbot got 100% and what's he doing now? Looking for more. Do you think Ruby would have been able to resist that urge to become more powerful? That girl was a time bomb waiting to become a nuke.
About the loop. So far there's really not been any indication that the loop can be broken at all. Heck, as far as we know the one thing pointing to the possibility that it can is fabricated.
Melinda tells Robin to tell them that they can break the loop, despite her never having such a vision ever. Their premise is flawed.
Melinda tells Robin to tell them that they can break the loop, despite her never having such a vision ever. Their premise is flawed.
100%. And at least Fitz and Simmons commented about it afterward and seemingly realized their stupidity about that since they're trying to break the loop, unlike Yo-Yo. I just can't side with Yo-Yo at all when she's still pulling that crap.
Therefore I'm definitely favoring Daisy, since she's probably just as frustrated and confused by Yo-Yo's actions, even if she's certainly been wrong in escalating the tension/picking some fights several times.
Plus Daisy for the most part has May's support in her actions as she is mainly just trying to go above and beyond in an effort to save Coulson (something the rest have done on several occasions), even if he asked her not to, who's basically her dad at this point. Daisy getting her mom's remains and gathering those other samples is something that May probably even knows about too, since she covered for Daisy's absence, whereas for the most part they both seem frustrated as hell with how Yo-Yo's been acting for a while now (and it's built up over time for them) and why she's still on the whole immortal kick when they're actively trying to break the loop. Even May had had enough of her recent attitude when even after breaking up the fight she still said more or less "get useful and stop getting in the way, or get out of the way".
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Yup, I'm on Team Yo-Yo on this one. Daisy is making awful decisions that only support the survival of Coulson while everyone else around them dies.
I was feeling for her there and when she got the arms and when Mack said it might go to her head. I just didn't expect it to go to her head to the extent of thinking she was immortal just because she made it to a future they're trying to change.
That said, I agree she definitely deserves some feels for what she's been through and that she's been kind of stuck on the outside a bit due to what she knows or thinks she knows from seeing herself and the incomplete stuff she said to herself.
Yeah, with 20/20 hindsight I can say that Yo-Yo messed up...but Daisy is constantly making horrible choices.
I'm also thinking on the fact that Yo-Yo, knowing what feels like an inevitable future of being killed and brought back to life multiple times, losing everyone, the world ending and dying as soon as she sees Mack for the 1st time in forever, I can see why she would want to go to any links to break that loop/future from happening.
Well, actually, does she see or know how the future YoYo died? Thinking now that she entered the room afterwards, and I can't remember if Mack told her.
Well, actually, does she see or know how the future YoYo died? Thinking now that she entered the room afterwards, and I can't remember if Mack told her.
the other thing is that they're being dumb about breaking the loop in the first place
it's not enough to break the loop
you have to break the loop in such a way that the earth isn't destroyed, and with as little loss of life as possible
like what if they break the loop, but they do it so that there are no human survivors of the destruction of earth. that would break the time loop because there'd be no robin or anyone in the future for them to meet, but it's still a bad outcome
hell they could steal a nuke, set it off in the lighthouse and just be like "loop broken, mission accomplished" but just breaking the loop doesn't guarantee earth survives
Yeah!
He also had some amazing lines in a row lol
"Anybody here disobeys an order, you'll suffer the same pretzel logic your friend did earlier." LMAO
"Alright chuckles" LOL
"Earth's mightiest hero"
But she knows that she's not immortal. She told herself that every time she dies, Cassius keeps bringing her back in the future. She doesn't know when it all falls apart for her. She just knows that she's imminently screwed over and over again, and Mack dies once.
Sorta like getting operated on against your will while awake by someone who's suppose to be a friend.
Guess it'd be swell to let humanity suffer and die from the eventual spread of the fear dimension entities.
I agree, Daisy is a villain. Digging up Moms, not willing to help stop the end of the world, threatening to snap necks and disliking lemons in the bed. Those lemons just don't get there themselves.
Until this very moment I had successfully forgotten what that was. Or so i thought.
The whole Ruby scenario is neither right nor wrong in how it was executed.
Ruby was severely unstable. Yes she could have calmed down and focused, but keep in mind that she was also intentionally trying to become the Destroyer of Worlds. A project created by Hydra, an organization that was founded on occult worshippings of a malevolent alien entity and also were Nazis. This is an organization that stood for eugenics, ethnic cleansing, and predictive justice all under a totalitarian regime. She was genetically engineered by this organization to be the Destroyer of Worlds.
Now, I've made a case for Ruby's redemption. The struggle with the gravitonium and understanding of its power may have woken her up. To get her out of her narcissitic, entitled attitude. She was sculpted to be a living weapon, and her mother clearly showed a degree of remorse. We saw what happened when Ruby absorbed the gravitonium; she became a scared little girl, not fully understanding of what had happened to her. Her destiny was a curse, not a blessing. Assuming that Hale's remorse would've played into that, meaning that they could've developed a meaningful relationship that elevated them past Hydra's bullshit. But, there's also an equal chance that once Ruby found clarity and control, she would've turned. On everyone, just her mom, or who knows? Maybe she'd do the exact same as Talbot. Gravitonium has been shown to be a substance of corruption. It's the one constant aside from its very elemental nature. Hale may have gone down the same road of turning on SHIELD. Keep in mind, Talbot is her fault. Creel's insanity is her fault. Ruby's upbringing is her fault. Hale knew what she was doing and still believed Hydra was right and SHIELD was wrong. She only changed after her daughter was killed and she ordered a surgical strike, only for everything to go FUBAR on her.
Now, let's not be disingenuous to YoYo: she was out of her mind with pain and genuinely believed that every decision, aside from saving Coulson, that she has made has been the right one. Boiling down to vengeance and removing nuance is a bad way of looking at things. Based on the information we have, we have no reason to assume she is wrong either. Had Daisy talked Ruby down, had Ruby redeemed her self, there's no guarantee that Talbot wouldn't have gotten access to 92% of the gravitonium. Only 92%, not 100%. But that isn't a guarantee. What if Talbot had gotten to the gravitonium anyways and he and Ruby had a superpowered gravity battle? If I'm not mistaken, Talbot had been activated prior to Ruby's acquisition. He already broadcast the signal to the Confederacy. Who's to say they wouldn't have found out about the gravitonium and sent in a strike force anyways?
At this point, we have now played an insane game of what-ifs.
YoYo and Daisy have both been shown to be overly reckless and stubborn. YoYo believes she has the right decisions in mind, and who's to disagree? Daisy does as well, and May has supported that based on Robin, who is basically their only source of any information. I support YoYo because she's doing things based on a prophecy from her own resurrected future self, a source equally as legitimate as Robin. Not only that, she has backed down on some of her overly headstrong behavior thanks to Mack. She's also not trying to turn Coulson into Garrett, which is so insane. I legit cannot believe Daisy doesn't see what she's doing, and that no one has called her out except for YoYo is equally as ridiculous. YoYo has been right about Daisy's behavior: it's reckless and selfish. Granted, Daisy is well founded in her discontent: no one is following the authority she was given and her father figure is dying and she feels like she's the only one who cares. Plus Ruby, someone she related so wholeheartedly (manipulated by her mom into a weapon, no real life choices of her own, etc.). YoYo being treated as though she somehow has more blood on her hands than everyone else because of this is also ludicrous.
Morally speaking, the worst thing Daisy has done is digging up her mom's corpse. She's not even remotely a villain. Just trying to save the only true father figure she's really ever had and not live up to her prophesied role as a weapon of planetary destruction.
Ruby was severely unstable. Yes she could have calmed down and focused, but keep in mind that she was also intentionally trying to become the Destroyer of Worlds. A project created by Hydra, an organization that was founded on occult worshippings of a malevolent alien entity and also were Nazis. This is an organization that stood for eugenics, ethnic cleansing, and predictive justice all under a totalitarian regime. She was genetically engineered by this organization to be the Destroyer of Worlds.
Now, I've made a case for Ruby's redemption. The struggle with the gravitonium and understanding of its power may have woken her up. To get her out of her narcissitic, entitled attitude. She was sculpted to be a living weapon, and her mother clearly showed a degree of remorse. We saw what happened when Ruby absorbed the gravitonium; she became a scared little girl, not fully understanding of what had happened to her. Her destiny was a curse, not a blessing. Assuming that Hale's remorse would've played into that, meaning that they could've developed a meaningful relationship that elevated them past Hydra's bullshit. But, there's also an equal chance that once Ruby found clarity and control, she would've turned. On everyone, just her mom, or who knows? Maybe she'd do the exact same as Talbot. Gravitonium has been shown to be a substance of corruption. It's the one constant aside from its very elemental nature. Hale may have gone down the same road of turning on SHIELD. Keep in mind, Talbot is her fault. Creel's insanity is her fault. Ruby's upbringing is her fault. Hale knew what she was doing and still believed Hydra was right and SHIELD was wrong. She only changed after her daughter was killed and she ordered a surgical strike, only for everything to go FUBAR on her.
Now, let's not be disingenuous to YoYo: she was out of her mind with pain and genuinely believed that every decision, aside from saving Coulson, that she has made has been the right one. Boiling down to vengeance and removing nuance is a bad way of looking at things. Based on the information we have, we have no reason to assume she is wrong either. Had Daisy talked Ruby down, had Ruby redeemed her self, there's no guarantee that Talbot wouldn't have gotten access to 92% of the gravitonium. Only 92%, not 100%. But that isn't a guarantee. What if Talbot had gotten to the gravitonium anyways and he and Ruby had a superpowered gravity battle? If I'm not mistaken, Talbot had been activated prior to Ruby's acquisition. He already broadcast the signal to the Confederacy. Who's to say they wouldn't have found out about the gravitonium and sent in a strike force anyways?
At this point, we have now played an insane game of what-ifs.
YoYo and Daisy have both been shown to be overly reckless and stubborn. YoYo believes she has the right decisions in mind, and who's to disagree? Daisy does as well, and May has supported that based on Robin, who is basically their only source of any information. I support YoYo because she's doing things based on a prophecy from her own resurrected future self, a source equally as legitimate as Robin. Not only that, she has backed down on some of her overly headstrong behavior thanks to Mack. She's also not trying to turn Coulson into Garrett, which is so insane. I legit cannot believe Daisy doesn't see what she's doing, and that no one has called her out except for YoYo is equally as ridiculous. YoYo has been right about Daisy's behavior: it's reckless and selfish. Granted, Daisy is well founded in her discontent: no one is following the authority she was given and her father figure is dying and she feels like she's the only one who cares. Plus Ruby, someone she related so wholeheartedly (manipulated by her mom into a weapon, no real life choices of her own, etc.). YoYo being treated as though she somehow has more blood on her hands than everyone else because of this is also ludicrous.
Morally speaking, the worst thing Daisy has done is digging up her mom's corpse. She's not even remotely a villain. Just trying to save the only true father figure she's really ever had and not live up to her prophesied role as a weapon of planetary destruction.
It'll be interesting when Daisy realizes her centipede/mom juice plan, will probably come down to forcing it onto Coulson, who has seemingly reached acceptance of his fate. Whether her run in with Dr. Fitz is remembered or not.
Obviously Coulson might jump at something that saves him, but I can't see it being the John Garrett route.
Obviously Coulson might jump at something that saves him, but I can't see it being the John Garrett route.
Reminds me of when Coulson was resurrected against his will...
Which makes me wonder, what does the Confederacy actually think Thanos is doing on Earth? One of his random cullings?