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Destiny 2: Warmind |OT| Mars Attacks!
- Thread starter ImperatorPat
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So really the problem is the people who went to the summit have now ruined EP for everyone else as just because they found it easy they didn't stop to think that might be because they're extremely high level players and that the majority of players aren't up to there same skill level and so the original difficulty Bungie had EP at would have been a good challenge for most players but now they've gone and took advice from the summit people and made it worse for most other players.
I mean, they have every right to be there as you. I agree Bungie needs to come up with a better solution, but the current work around is shitty to other players whether you're actually kicking or just letting your friends get their hands dirty for you.
And saying what they're doing is "non essential" is pretty hilarious because what you're doing is just as "equally non essential" as what they're doing. Comes off as very elitist and that is toxic.
Soooo being toxic now includes causing someone 30 seconds of downtime before they go right back to doing what they were doing?
No one is pointing and laughing or rubbing it in someone's face and calling them names or threatening them. They are working the system to try and play the content they paid for. That's not toxic.
(We should have been running around with a full 6 man team in public spaces since day one imo.
No one is pointing and laughing or rubbing it in someone's face and calling them names or threatening them. They are working the system to try and play the content they paid for. That's not toxic.
(We should have been running around with a full 6 man team in public spaces since day one imo.
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I don't really watch streamers or youtubers that much but have any of them talked about the difference in difficulty between what they played and what we got in the end?
I mean, we can argue semantics about how 30 seconds isn't really that big a deal, but ultimately this method of grouping for EP is intentionally inconveniencing other people solely because you believe what you're doing is more important than what they're doing.
I don't think kicking them is the toxic part, that's just shitty. What's toxic is thinking that your group is more deserving of that spot than they are. It's elitist. My activity is more important than yours. My time is more valuable than yours. It's just a shitty mindset and isn't good for the community.
But I guess there isn't a better way to get a big enough group for EP currently and so it's going to become the accepted norm until Bungie fixes it or smaller groups can do it once power levels get higher.
I had someone whisper me the other day asking if I could invite their buddy for EP and promote him to lead. Even said I could help if I wanted. Next thing I know I'm kicked back to orbit. Now I know why.
So i havent touched it yet since im only 342, but is EP supposed to be like, a better Prison of Elders?
Are the sleeper nodes account wide? Like if I grab some on my Hunter and some on my Warlock will they both contribute to my overall progress?
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Asking people politely to leave is not toxic but having them make you leader and kick them without them knowing they will be kicked is what is toxic because the "blueberry" is being deceived into thinking they'll get to participate in the activity and then gets booted to orbit. It's not on the same level as people who boot during the final stage of a raid boss or whatever but has some of the same toxicity to it.
If someone sends me a message while I'm on patrol letting me know they have a full team and asking if I can make them a leader and leave, I have no issue with that and would help out if asked. If you can't find similarly helpful people I think rezoning until you do is the way to go...
This is the wider point that I totally agree with. EP has just made this omission painfully obvious.
I agree it's not toxic to ask them to leave, but if they don't feel like cooperating then that's their prerogative.
I've seen it happen firsthand with an EP group. After thinking about it, I decided not to even be associated with anything of the like. It's a really shitty situation Bungie created but that doesn't mean that we have to be shitty about it also. At the end of the day, this is going to ultimately divide the community. People aren't also going to start accepting random fireteam invites either. It just creates a sense of mistrust and paranoia within the community and the fact that this practice is beginning to get more widespread is very worrying. i was talking about this with my raid group the other day but in all honesty, I would be happy if Bungie put in a queue where we are grouped with 2 other random fireteams for EP. At this point, anything is better.
Ultimately at the end of the day, what Bungie created for this situation is really shitty. That's not an excuse for us to be shitty.
What I mean by non essential is that you don't need nine high level players to farm resonate stems or look for sleeper nodes. Those players can go into another instance quite easily. Assembling a nine man team for EP, a challenging end game activity, requires far more effort and time. If it were that easy to get nine players together for EP, we wouldn't have the issue we're currently having.
I don't know what Bungie actually expects. I've yet to see the game populate an area with nine players on it's own, without randoms inviting someone from elsewhere into their fireteam. The whole thing is just so stupid. It doesn't gel with the how the activity is meant to be played or how players want to enjoy it.
Some people are asked to leave, some leave on their own, some are kicked. It's a mix. Some players refuse to leave and deliberately grief us and stop us from getting more people in.
So the "toxicity" (over used term honestly) works both ways. It's lame and consumes far too much precious precious time.
Last week someone asked me to invite someone named Gladd to my solo fireteam for EP and I did, then jumped off due to family obligations. He must of been happy to be in the same instance as his friend I thought. I checked my friend's list yesterday since I recognize that guy's name on Datto's stream and lo and behold that's the same Gladd from Redeem that got recent world's first.
I could of got carried in EP :(
I could of got carried in EP :(
While we're shitting on Bungie, can we also talk about how Zavala says something else awoke on Mars then Ana is talking about Xol. There is zero introduction of Xol. I could have sworn a cutscene was missing.
Booting people from a public area is shitty. They have every right to be in that instance, even if they're just standing there looking at geometry. Them refusing to leave is not griefing, because EP teams have no more right to that public area than anyone else.
If you got the strike first in the playlist you killed XOL in a strike before the reveal in the campaign.
Does anyone have any idea what the year 1 triumph book will have? I took a HUGE break after launch and im worried of catching up.
I think all I've heard so far is that the streamers that went to the summit said that the EP wasn't hard enough for them so bungie at the last minute put the difficulty up. Considering how hard EP is now at the final waves I'm starting to think that bungie got the difficulty right originally and shouldn't have listened to the streamers at the summit.
Exhibiting elitism and practicing it on innocent individuals is 100% toxicity. The word toxicity does get overused in this thread quite frequently but this is an applicable term right now. Let's use an example. If a bunch of people are hanging around Time Square and suddenly you and a whole bunch of people come in and start a flash mob kicking unsuspecting individuals from hanging out there, it's fairly rude I would say.
We still don't know what he was doing in the vault when we showed up. Did he hear us on the comms with Ana and sprint to Rasputin?? What's with the holes Bungie?
You were in our group when we did it at the weekend and you didn't seem to mind it then...
You probably would have got kicked, sorry. Streamer priviledge
Can confirm. Plus it was hardly 'flash mob kicking them'. We told/asked everyone nicely the idea and it was no problem. No hatemail was received even when they were told they couldn't join because it was full, actually received a friend request from some.
Nothing official but I bet it's the same kind of thing. Best the raids/prestige raids. Hit certain milestones in Iron Banana and Faction Rally etc.
I need to be a big meanie. I'm one EP away from finishing the quest but I just hang around waiting for a group capable of doing at least one round to show up. I've wasted too many keys on groups that dont know how to kill the first ogre boss.
During the summit they were able to make it to level 3 on characters at 350 power so it was definitely a lot easier.
I was pretty underwhelmed with this DLC, and especially by how slow the leveling is now post 345. Especially as someone just doing the Flashpoint, Call to Arms, Clan XP and whatever other Clan engrams got earned. I decided to uninstall and move on. To be frank, I think I'm just done with these service games and games with weekly and/or daily goals etc. I realized I was just playing out of habit/chasing carrots rather than actually having fun. I'll stick to one and done game and pick up and play games where I actually enjoy the gameplay.
Last night it took me about 15 minutes to complete the 3 heroic strikes milestone because every strike I did was at the final boss already. Thanks quitters! And all three were Lake of Fire, which I still think is one of the best strikes in the game. Much much better than the new exclusive strike.
Lol, Ive been away for a few hours and just caught up. I am impressed you are still going the route of self justification. Whatever let's you sleep at night. If you need to kick kids out of fireteams to be able to beat a boss because you arent good or patient enough thats on you. Im sure you feel better about yourself for doing so and it was worth it.
I'm not justifying anything. I've said multiple times that it's unfortunate circumstances and needs to be fixed ASAP. But you're right, I'm not losing sleep over it. Because ultimately, someone farming Resonate Stems can easily get into another instance within 30 seconds, so in the end, they're not really being inconvenienced all that much. Its not the end of the world for them. Yes, it's not really nice to kick people. I don't like it. I've only done it once, personally. Yet, what other REALISTIC options do players have, when it comes to removing those who won't willingly leave? Once you can tell me and Bungie, feel free to chime in and give us your idea. Until then, this will continue to happen. It is what it is. Blame Bungie for enabling this kind of crap. This is why in game LFG and six man patrols needed to happen ages ago.