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klastical

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I think they should have done a test run before filming 3 hours tilted. But like I mentioned before, there will be stumbles. Video quality looks good though ;)

But something that can help them frame up their shots is I'm sure they have guide frames up already, but to also have the camera output to a monitor they can see. It's kind of crazy that they're monitoring audio and video kind of blind. I think they can see when they are peaking if their interface blinks read. It's why we can sometimes have issues with Damiani speaking too softly, but to be honest they kind of dialed in their audio even without monitoring, so that's less of an issue. They just won't know if someone peaked or is too quiet till they are done. Like maybe they didn't notice they were tilted in the video till they were too far along the discussion.
I'm pretty sure they did but a little screen to be able to monitor what the video looks like. I'm not sure if they were not using it or if they just didn't notice it because of the screen size. I feel like this is a mistake that won't happen again.
 
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Haha, I kind of like the unintentional dutch angle, gives it an unsettling feel. But seriously, looks good, and I'm sure they'll iron out the kinks in no time.
 
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I think they should have done a test run before filming 3 hours tilted. But like I mentioned before, there will be stumbles. Video quality looks good though ;)

But something that can help them frame up their shots is I'm sure they have guide frames up already, but to also have the camera output to a monitor they can see. It's kind of crazy that they're monitoring audio and video kind of blind. I think they can see when they are peaking if their interface blinks read. It's why we can sometimes have issues with Damiani speaking too softly, but to be honest they kind of dialed in their audio even without monitoring, so that's less of an issue. They just won't know if someone peaked or is too quiet till they are done. Like maybe they didn't notice they were tilted in the video till they were too far along the discussion.

Watch the beginning. Ian was looking at themselves.

So there is some sort of monitor. He just missed the titled. He probably used the bottom of the table as reference, which is perfect. But the top half is tilted.
 

Zeroro

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Frame Trap had such humble beginnings.
 
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Dunno, I clearly can see the table itself tilted too (specially the area between its front border and the shadow it casts below), though my astigmatism may be making things look worse than they are. Happens somewhat frequently nowadays D:
 

AwesomeSauce

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Watch the beginning. Ian was looking at themselves.

So there is some sort of monitor. He just missed the titled. He probably used the bottom of the table as reference, which is perfect. But the top half is tilted.

The camera has a small monitor on it. I meant to say use a bigger screen where they can see what the camera sees while seated.
 
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The camera has a small monitor on it. I meant to say use a bigger screen where they can see what the camera sees while seated.

I'll guess it's the lack of a switcher? Maybe they're using the camera in "handheld-mode" (Just a guess, I have no idea about this)

But I really don't understand how people are saying it looks better than before. I think any improvement is thanks to the lighting and maybe a better color correction cause the image looks aliased and a bit blurry. Maybe it's the encode, maybe it was recorded in 4K and shrunk in a weird way. Idk.
 

Kneefoil

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The bottles on the table are tilted as well (especially Ian's bottle).
I still think it's the lens.
If it was because of a fisheye lens, shouldn't the image warping make it seem like different sides are tilting in different directions? But if you look at the door frames, both the right and left sides are leaning to the left.

The table looks level because they probably it to set up the camera, but that leads to tilting if the camera isn't right in front of the table. It seems like the camera is actually closer to Ben's side than it is Ian's, as you can see from this quick edit I made.

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If it was because of a fisheye lens, shouldn't the image warping make it seem like different sides are tilting in different directions? But if you look at the door frames, both the right and left sides are leaning to the left.

The table looks level because they probably they probably used it to set up the camera, but that leads to tilting if the camera isn't right in front of the table. It seems like the camera is actually closer to Ben's side than it is Ian's, as you can see from this quick edit I made.
Yeah, I just did the same thing and was about to post this. Pretty sure it's just that the front table is not perpendicular to the camera/lens and the tilt balances it out making it appear normal.
 

klastical

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I'll guess it's the lack of a switcher? Maybe they're using the camera in "handheld-mode" (Just a guess, I have no idea about this)

But I really don't understand how people are saying it looks better than before. I think any improvement is thanks to the lighting and maybe a better color correction cause the image looks aliased and a bit blurry. Maybe it's the encode, maybe it was recorded in 4K and shrunk in a weird way. Idk.


I think it's the new paint and the lighting and finally the new camera. I do agree that there is some aliasing going on in the background which is weird, it's most noticable around the tops of the picture frames. I can't say if it was there or not before because I didn't look that closely before.
 

klastical

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Ben really took those comments about reading podcast sponsors to heart. I didn't have any complaints about it before but he's definitely switching things up. Great stuff.
 
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If it was because of a fisheye lens, shouldn't the image warping make it seem like different sides are tilting in different directions? But if you look at the door frames, both the right and left sides are leaning to the left.

The table looks level because they probably it to set up the camera, but that leads to tilting if the camera isn't right in front of the table. It seems like the camera is actually closer to Ben's side than it is Ian's, as you can see from this quick edit I made.

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Yeah, it's the fact that the camera is centered on Brad, but it's physically closer to Ben. It should be physically centered on Brad as much as possible to avoid the slanted table. I have to wonder if the new tripod makes things more awkward in the space (some of them have HUGE footprints that can be awkward to maneuver in tight spaces), which is why Ian's gonna try a different one next time (per the YouTube comment I saw). I would also suggest moving the table if at all possible, but the lighting setup looked pretty dialed into a certain spot in the garage, so that may not be a possibility.
 
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Man, I am not a fan of how they implemented multiple dashing in HLD, but it never fails to amaze me how people fail to notice the game tells you how much the timing speeds up through the sound effect. Just follow it, it only accelerates a couple times.

I played other games for dozens of hours and never noticed sound tells until I've read a FAQ, but that one I noticed immediately lol. Sound design in the game is so, so amazing. Super crunchy and satisfying.

That said, I really need to replay it with the second character and the 60FPS patch. Felt so good for the couple battles I played after the patch dropped.
 

Nakenorm

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Oct 26, 2017
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Should've guessed..
The same day I rewatch Homecoming and start a new replay of FFVII,
Ben, Brad and Ian decides to put BOTH VII and Spidey in the Garbage tier of the Hype Tower. Feels bad man.

No worries though, we'll have the last laugh come e3. Like Avalanche we'll fight and climb our way out of the slums!
 
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It's winter here but since it's in a warm climate in Australia it may as well be summer. My song/vibes for the wintersummer is currently some Peggy Gou and I've also been throwing Kali Uchis into the rotation recently as well.

 

DinoPulse

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Should've guessed..
The same day I rewatch Homecoming and start a new replay of FFVII,
Ben, Brad and Ian decides to put BOTH VII and Spidey in the Garbage tier of the Hype Tower. Feels bad man.

No worries though, we'll have the last laugh come e3. Like Avalanche we'll fight and climb our way out of the slums!


I feel for ya man. Especially when Spider-Man PS4 is shaping up to be the best Spider-Man game ever made.

Hope Tom Holland decides to do a Spider-Man PS4 playthrough when it comes out as that would be fun. Peter Parker playing as Peter Parker! Especially if he did it as a Twitch stream.
 

klastical

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I feel for ya man. Especially when Spider-Man PS4 is shaping up to be the best Spider-Man game ever made.

Hope Tom Holland decides to do a Spider-Man PS4 playthrough when it comes out as that would be fun. Peter Parker playing as Peter Parker! Especially if he did it as a Twitch stream.
Honestly this idea has connan o'briens "clueless gamer" written all over it. The bits write themselves. Tom makes remarks about how it's easier to do flips in real life than in the game, conan says he hasn't been able to bend like that since his 20s. Skit ends with Tom doing a backflip.
 

DinoPulse

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Would Tom be interested in doing that? If that were the case, they may as well just allow him to voice as Spidey in a future Simpsons episode then lol

Although doing a Clueless gamer for Spider-Man PS4 sounds like a good idea. I'd think Conan O'Brien would be super in on it, as long as Marvel and whoever's Tom's higher-ups are interested.

So In that case, I hope it happens! I'd watch it
 

VanWinkle

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Bloodworth or Ben or someone from EZA, please consider making podcasts 1440p as a stopgap to 4K. It will dramatically reduce compression over 1080p, which is not doing the amazing cameras justice.

It's still a big improvement over before in dynamic range and color, but a big part of the difference we're seeing is the lighting. If you saw the Easy Update without the VHS effect, you can see how incredible that camera looks even compared to this new Frame Trap, but the actual new camera they got is just as good if not better than Ian's new camera. So, yeah, I think it's mainly just the compression not doing it favors.

Now, this may very well be personal preference, but I think the framing is just a bit too tight. You can see parts of Ian move off frame quite often and Ben's arm does sometimes too. I think it would look better if you zoomed out a little.


In regards to the weird tilted background, I think it's because they moved the desk into roughly the right spot and then framed and leveled the shot based on the desk; the problem is that the desk isn't perfectly catty-cornered to the garage. Normally, the camera is placed at a [presumably] stationary spot where the corner of the garage is directly in the middle - and it's leveled - and then they'll move the desk to roughly the right spot, where it will sometimes be leveled (if the moved the desk exactly right) or not leveled (if they just eyed it). So yeah, they need to frame it based on the corner of the garage next time FIRST and then move the desk to the right spot.
 
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klastical

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Bloodworth or Ben or someone from EZA, please consider making podcasts 1440p as a stopgap to 4K. It will dramatically reduce compression over 1080p, which is not doing the amazing cameras justice.

It's still a big improvement over before in dynamic range and color, but a big part of the difference we're seeing is the lighting. If you saw the Easy Update without the VHS effect, you can see how incredible that camera looks even compared to this new Frame Trap, but the actual new camera they got is just as good if not better than Ian's new camera. So, yeah, I think it's mainly just the compression not doing it favors.

I understand why doing 4k would create a bottleneck. I do hope that they push to make it happen though. It will require more planning and an even tighter production schedule but I think they can do it. The downside is that we might have to wait (slightly) longer for content and I can understand why they dont want to do that to appease a very small percentage of there audience. However it feels wrong to have this great new tech and not make the most of it.

That's probably why I ended up buying a 4k TV a year after I got my pro. Despite the fact that I swore up and down I wouldn't do it, I felt like I was ripping myself off by not letting the pro put out the best visuals it can.
 
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VanWinkle

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I understand why doing 4k would create a bottleneck. I do hope that they push to make it happen though. It will require more planning and an even tighter production schedule but I think they can do it. The downside is that we muhhght have to wait (slightly) longer for content and I can understand why they dont want to do that to appease a very small percentage of there audience. However it feels wrong to have this great new tech and not make the most of it.

That's probably why I ended up buying a 4k TV a year after I got my pro. Despite the fact that I swore up and down I wouldn't do it, I felt like I was ripping myself off by not letting the pro put out the best visuals it can.
Yeah I don't expect or need most stuff in 4k. But I DO think it would do the cameras a lot more justice if they at least record and upload at 1440p.
 
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Bloodworth or Ben or someone from EZA, please consider making podcasts 1440p as a stopgap to 4K. It will dramatically reduce compression over 1080p, which is not doing the amazing cameras justice.

I can see shorter videos going up in 1440p at the very least but for a 2-3 hour podcast it might be a bit much to ask. Ben already had a long wait for it to get uploaded. I do hope that shorter videos like Huber Hype, Betting Specials etc get the resolution bump and the EZA podcast as well just because it's the premier show in a way.
 

VanWinkle

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I can see shorter videos going up in 1440p at the very least but for a 2-3 hour podcast it might be a bit much to ask. Ben already had a long wait for it to get uploaded. I do hope that shorter videos like Huber Hype, Betting Specials etc get the resolution bump and the EZA podcast as well just because it's the premier show in a way.
That's a fair point. Perhaps there's a high bitrate option they can choose that can get that clarity up a bit.
 

ZeoVGM

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Yeah, the Frame Trap footage is strange. The angle is whatever, that seems like an easy enough fix. But it actually seems slightly blurry to me. And the contrast is perhaps a bit too high.

Not the end of the world. Hopefully they use this as a test run for E3.
 
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Yeah, the Frame Trap footage is strange. The angle is whatever, that seems like an easy enough fix. But it actually seems slightly blurry to me. And the contrast is perhaps a bit too high.

Not the end of the world. Hopefully they use this as a test run for E3.

Agreed.

Like, for a $5000 camera or whatever, I expected a little better quality. Like, its ok, but not any sort of real jump over the previous video quality. If I squint, maybe its a little better.

Ian's camera for the easy update he just did seemed x100 better.
 
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Re: encoding/compression on YT.

An alternative to recording/rendering in higher resolution is rendering the file at 60fps (even if the footage is 30). Youtube assigns a higher bitrate for higher framerate files, and with the way that video encoding works, that bitrate doesn't go to waste towards all the extra frames that are duplicates and ends up decreasing compression artifacts for footage overall.

This is the reason why all of my videos are done at 60fps.

Of course it won't compare to the quality a proper resolution boost would provide, but it will help.
 

VanWinkle

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Agreed.

Like, for a $5000 camera or whatever, I expected a little better quality. Like, its ok, but not any sort of real jump over the previous video quality. If I squint, maybe its a little better.

Ian's camera for the easy update he just did seemed x100 better.

It's not the camera. It's the upload quality. Ian's video was higher bitrate and 4K resolution.

This is 1080p and probably not super high bitrate. I mean, look at a huge site's podcast in a professional studio. The clarity really isn't any better.

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Re: encoding/compression on YT.

An alternative to recording/rendering in higher resolution is rendering the file at 60fps (even if the footage is 30). Youtube assigns a higher bitrate for higher framerate files, and with the way that video encoding works, that bitrate doesn't go to waste towards all the extra frames that are duplicates and ends up decreasing compression artifacts for footage overall.

This is the reason why all of my videos are done at 60fps.

Yup, I definitely think they should consider this.
 

Hasney

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Oct 25, 2017
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I can see shorter videos going up in 1440p at the very least but for a 2-3 hour podcast it might be a bit much to ask. Ben already had a long wait for it to get uploaded. I do hope that shorter videos like Huber Hype, Betting Specials etc get the resolution bump and the EZA podcast as well just because it's the premier show in a way.

Yeah, it's not even just the upload, but I've seen things being exported on laptops. That's a huge chunk of processing time.
 

Dmax3901

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Regarding the tilt, it looks like Ian (or whoever) has lined up the camera going off the edge of the desk, but the desk must be out of whack post refit making the rest of the show out of whack.
 
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Hmm i also think its lense related and i'm not sure Ian will be able tp fix the 'tilt'. The background is also way more zoomed in while they are in full frame. Its a distortion because of wide lense i think
 

DinoPulse

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Fun fact, apparently Damiani was all prepared to use the butt thumbnail for Clips, but I got to it first on Ben's full stream archive.

You know, Bloodworth, It would've been hilarious to see the butt get used as the thumbnail, although I think that might've ended up having your video demonetized, so I think you made the right choice on thumbnail.
BTW, I'm DeltaDolphin from Twitch if you're wondering! I've finally decided to join here. so, if you welcome me, thanks
 

Bloodworth

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You know, Bloodworth, It would've been hilarious to see the butt get used as the thumbnail, although I think that might've ended up having your video demonetized, so I think you made the right choice on thumbnail.
BTW, I'm DeltaDolphin from Twitch if you're wondering! I've finally decided to join here. so, if you welcome me, thanks
Well there's already a copyright claim on the Clips episode, so it wouldn't have mattered.
Fun fact number two. The stream with the butt thumbnail did get marked as "inappropriate for some advertisers" but I still got a pop up ad for Facebook. So Facebook must not have any problem with butts.
 
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