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Which will you throw in the PC Storage first?

  • Pikachu

    Votes: 590 16.2%
  • Eevee

    Votes: 571 15.7%
  • Your hopes and dreams

    Votes: 2,083 57.4%
  • Jmon

    Votes: 387 10.7%

  • Total voters
    3,631

MouldyK

Prophet of Truth
Banned
Nov 1, 2017
10,118
This one is for people who don't like Pokémon and the 2019 one is for those that do

Weird. I have all Pokemon up to Gen 6, even going so far as not trading and grinding them out myself over the span of 6 months while waiting for Pokemon X and Y...

...but I am intrigued by this one.

Guess I don't like Pokemon.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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I'll never forget all those people in the speculation thread telling me that there's just "no way" GF would lock you to the first 151 mons

Tempted to quote and shame em but I'll stand down.

Except that wasn't an unreasonable thing to think. Every remake we've had managed to expand the Dex to include Pokemon in the later Generations. For GF to be that dumb and lock the Dex to just the original 151 is such a stupid idea. So no dark types (or rather a very limited lineup if we are confirmed to get Alolan forms), no later Gen pre evolutions and evolutions to existing lines on the Kanto Dex, working with shitty Pokemon distribution all because they limited themselves to the original 150 (people who think random encounter Zubats were annoying are going to get sobered when they see overworld encounters of nothing but Geodudes and Zubats).

All this served to show is that GF didn't learn from the mistakes of FRLG. Or rather, they took massive steps backwards from HGSS and ORAS.
 

Deleted member 249

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Oct 25, 2017
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Just look at it from the other side: if Nintendo and TPCi weren't aware of the shit show these games are, they wouldn't have done the pre-emptive damage control of saying that the actual new Pokémon games come next year.
That's... not how it works. Nintendo and TPCi want to assure fans that these games, which are not intended as anything more than a broad appealing measure meant to appeal to the franchise's larger base, are not the direction of the main line series, so fans don't panic like they already are. That's called brand and expectations management, not "preemptive damage control"
 

Deleted member 9584

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Oct 26, 2017
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What if Gen 8 is a whole new region with all new Pokémon and no old ones. And GF alternates between the "hardcore" Pokémon and "Lets Go" and the only way to get Pokémon into the new games is to play the Let's Go games which serve just as a way to catch and transfer Pokémon on the modern systems?

They could easily just copy the map of gold/silver like they did here and release hat version of Let's Go in two years.
 

DarkChronic

Member
Oct 27, 2017
5,041
I feel like some people in this thread need to accept that this game simply isn't for them. You'll get your proper core RPG in 2019, don't fret. If you don't like the look of Let's Go then don't buy it.

For real. This is literally a bonus game to hold us over until the 2019 release. I'm baffled that people are upset by this. The core series was NEVER making 2018.
 

ParanoidRED

Banned
Nov 2, 2017
2,931
Just look at it from the other side: if Nintendo and TPCi weren't aware of the shit show these games are, they wouldn't have done the pre-emptive damage control of saying that the actual new Pokémon games come next year.
They for sure knew that their audience would act like children at the news

Oh wait
 

Nick Nehidnyk

Banned
Oct 29, 2017
1,806
Talking about the merit of the discourse itself is way too meta, and ultimately detrimental to said discourse because it escalates in layers. For instance, someone could say that the conversation about the conversation isn't worth having, and so on...

oh fuck
 

Jebusman

Member
Oct 27, 2017
4,089
Halifax, NS
Be excited all you want, but let people voice their displeasure.

"Voicing their displeasure" isn't the same as pulling the "no true scotsman" argument to dismiss everyone who likes this style of game.

"No TRUE pokemon fan would be interested in this, why Game Freak are you making this GARBAGE for dirty GO plebeians"

How constructive is this line of thinking?
 

Deleted member 249

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Oct 25, 2017
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Be excited all you want, but let people voice their displeasure.
Most people haven't had an issue with anyone voicing their displeasure. Those who ARE displeased with the game however have gone out of their way to shit on people who like what they see here. "Toddlers and babies", "paid shills", and "don't care for the franchise" are few of the things that have been said about the people who've expressed interest in the game. It's embarassing.

This.

It's ok to dislike the idea of these games. That's perfectly fine, don't buy them and there will be another game next year that may interest you more. People saying things like this game is for those that don't like Pokemon is incredibly dumb however.
Yeah, it's pretty pathetic.
 

Ryuelli

Member
Oct 26, 2017
15,209
All of them. Even the easiest mainline pokémon game needs some planning, thinking and/or grinding

As someone who teaches 5 year olds for a living, 3 might have been reaching but I guarantee you these games are no where near difficult enough that kids don't already breeze through them. I also disagree that "grinding" is necessarily difficult - it's just time consuming. Teaching a child the basic concept of rock-paper-scissors is good enough for them to understand Pokemon enough that any "thinking" will be reduced to figuring out what types are strong against what. They might get stuck on a puzzle here or there (or not understand what's happening in the story), but the game itself is not hard for kids to jump into - why do you think it took off in the first place?

On a competitive level the game definitely requires all of those things, but the vast amount of people definitely aren't playing these things at that level.
 

lvl 99 Pixel

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Oct 25, 2017
44,737
Man that box art and title really looks like it's for about a 5 year old.

I think they actually may have managed to fuck up a bit here, at least losing a bit of sales. Not sure I'd buy that and I've bought every 3ds pokemon.

The box art looks great tbh regardless of what you think of the game. Im not sure how having cartoon dragons and zoids was any more mature.
 

Galava

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Oct 27, 2017
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I am just here wishing that the "Help" option is to use a Pokémon to battle and weaken him because the Pokémon is moving around a lot and jumping and stuff.
 

Sou Da

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Oct 25, 2017
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This.

It's ok to dislike the idea of these games. That's perfectly fine, don't buy them and there will be another game next year that may interest you more. People saying things like this game is for those that don't like Pokemon is incredibly dumb however.
I understand that this isn't for me and actually think that on paper this is a great concept for kids. I still think that it looks awful for what it is and is a really piss poor package for $60, I frankly feel like the people excited for this are getting ripped off or just have extremely low standards/expectations.
 

Kiraly

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Oct 30, 2017
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They for sure knew that their audience would act like children at the news

Oh wait

How original, people criticizing the game are immediately treated as children.

Most people haven't had an issue with anyone voicing their displeasure. Those who ARE displeased with the game however have gone out of their way to shit on people who like what they see here. "Toddlers and babies", "paid shills", and "don't care for the franchise" are few of the things that have been said about the people who've expressed interest in the game. It's embarassing.

See the above quoted post. Goes both ways.
 

Deleted member 249

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Oct 25, 2017
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"Voicing their displeasure" isn't the same as pulling the "no true scotsman" argument to dismiss everyone who likes this style of game.

"No TRUE pokemon fan would be interested in this, why Game Freak are you making this GARBAGE for dirty GO plebeians"

How constructive is this line of thinking?
Yep.

Exhibit A:

My standard is actually liking the premise of the series, battling and catching. When you have people celebrating the lack of wild battles, where both were intertwined, it makes me wonder about things.
 

Boya

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Jan 1, 2018
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Am I the only one that tinks that the Pokémon screenshot looks better visually than the Zelda, Mario, Kirby and Xenoblade screenshots?
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Australia. Nintendo Land
Most people haven't had an issue with anyone voicing their displeasure. Those who ARE displeased with the game however have gone out of their way to shit on people who like what they see here. "Toddlers and babies", "paid shills", and "don't care for the franchise" are few of the things that have been said about the people who've expressed interest in the game. It's embarassing.


Yeah, it's pretty pathetic.


Yes all this.

Don't like the game fine. It's the insults towards the company and the people that do, that overstep the line.

Let Nintendo do their thing to bring more users to the console, let them cater to the players from the 90s and the young children and the general Pokémon fans, the gen 8 fans, you're time to shine will be next year.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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So having slept on it and watched the trailer again, it seems the only "casualization" we've seen so far is the revamp of how wild pokemon are found and captured. I can live with that. Hopefully beyond that it remains similar to the previous main games.

I wonder what this means for wild pokemon capture for the 2019 game(s).
 

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Not sure if I'm going to be able to do all the stuffs the trailer showed us with portable mode and that's was the intended way to play Pokemon for me :(.
 

Phellps

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Oct 25, 2017
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All 4 cost $60 and offer a full single player experience without (AFAIK) microtransactions beyond cosmetics, and all 4 are multimillion sellers so I don't see why we cannot compare them or should spare GF from any criticism regarding the technical level and complexity of their games.
And yet none of those games will sell or have sold nearly as much as this game will. Game Freak knows what its audience is looking for. They're not going to change it all up just because. Even when developing a Pokémon game for a broader audience, ithey're still keeping the series' core features close to heart while bringing new things to the table. You don't fix what isn't broken.
We don't know how much effort they're actually putting into this game, to claim there's a lack of ambition here is absurd. Just adding a coop feature to the game possibly meant a ton of work, since it's the first time they're doing this. We don't know how technically advanced or complex their games actually are.
It's 100% okay to not be excited about this, but this circle-jerk of "Gah, GF isn't on par with other devs" is beyond exhausted. Every game has its priorities.
 

Xita

Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
9,185
Most people haven't had an issue with anyone voicing their displeasure. Those who ARE displeased with the game however have gone out of their way to shit on people who like what they see here. "Toddlers and babies", "paid shills", and "don't care for the franchise" are few of the things that have been said about the people who've expressed interest in the game. It's embarassing.

I disagree, there's an obvious tone coming on in this thread that people can't be disappointed since "it's not made for them" and the people who don't like this are "whining"
 

Firemind

Member
Oct 25, 2017
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It's not really about whether it's fun or not, at least not for me, not directly anyway. It's about whittling down a Pokémon's health being a fundamental mechanic of catching Pokémon, one that makes them much more likely to catch and that much less based on RNG. Of course, it's still based on luck at the end of the day. But if you get a Pokémon into critical health and then put it to Sleep or something, it's almost a sure-deal you'll catch it (at least with most non-Legendary/Pseudo-Legendary Pokémon anyway).

Without that, it's just pure luck through and through, and there's nothing you can do about that whatsoever other than just using better Pokéballs and just hoping for the best. I don't see how that's an improvement at all, not having any other ways to improve your odds at all and just making everything that much more luck based. I don't get what removing the option actually adds or improves. It literally only subtracts.

Like previously, if you didn't want to lower a Pokémon's health or any of that, and just wanted to toss Pokéballs, that was always an option. Now that's the ONLY option. Limiting options/playstyles like that just feels so, well, bleh. And it makes moves like False Swipe useless (and to a lesser degree, stuff like Super Fang as well, which has similar utility, particularly if you're scared about taking a Pokémon all the way down to 1 health and it killing itself from confusion or weather or something), which are literally only there for catching wild Pokémon. Just don't get how actually taking that stuff away and making it pure luck, through and through, is actually an improvement at all. =/
It never made sense to me to beat up a Pokemon you try to befriend. It's quite literally animal abuse, even if we're talking about imaginary animals. Sure, there are battles, but those actually serve a purpose. You may disagree with me on the less engaging gameplay front, but that doesn't really mean much when it's an outdated concept that casual people are more willing to let go.
 

WrenchNinja

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Oct 25, 2017
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Canada
You guys who are getting mad about my post do see that there is no stipulation where it is impossible for you to like these games and the normal games.
 

Bear

Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,898
Am I the only one that tinks that the Pokémon screenshot looks better visually than the Zelda, Mario, Kirby and Xenoblade screenshots?
I think it's less about how pretty it looks and how narrow the scope of the game's visuals is. It's a juiced up version of the 3DS games. They could have reworked it or reimagined it, but they went with the same tired isometric-ish style they've been pushing for decades.