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Which will you throw in the PC Storage first?

  • Pikachu

    Votes: 590 16.2%
  • Eevee

    Votes: 571 15.7%
  • Your hopes and dreams

    Votes: 2,083 57.4%
  • Jmon

    Votes: 387 10.7%

  • Total voters
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Deleted member 249

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Don't mislead people. This is the core game they were talking about last year. Maybe it's difficult to accept it, but it is what it is.
Nope. They explicitly said this is not the core game that was announced last year, that that one is the one coming out next year, which began development before the Switch and Pokemon GO even released.
 

Revven

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Oct 27, 2017
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So, online is actually confirmed? I was worried about that last night with all the back and forth confusion.
 

Galava

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The don't need to innovate, they need to create a game that doesn't look like a PS1 game emulated in HD.

It's embarrasing, i don't understand why the technical bar of the franchise is so damn low, and just to clarify, i don't expect an open world or a reboot, just look at Monster Hunter World compared to Generations, that's the kind of leap i want and the core games need.
Well, it's not going to happen sadly. Pokémon will keep doing incremental upgrades and that's it.

Also, PS1 game, really? Have you seen PS1 games? Not even PS2 has real-time shadows and illumination like LGP/LGE. And I'm not even talking about the polygon count.
 

TheKeyPit

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Oct 27, 2017
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I mean if I walked into a COD thread and complained that it wasn't a racing game, I would rightfully be called out for whining about something unreasonable.

TPC decided to make a Go-like experience for consoles, likely to bridge the gap between the typical ultra-casual GO player and the more hardcore traditional fans, bringing them into the console ecosystem and expose them to a few of the elements of the more traditional pokemon experience. It takes all of 10 seconds to figure this out, especially when they also announced that a more traditional game would be coming in 2019.

But that's not enough for traditional fans, EVERY game has to cater to them, including this one. And then shit on and dismiss those who prefer this compared to the more traditional style, as if they're not worthy enough to have a pokemon game made for them.
Great post.
 

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Haven't really kept up with everything, but do we know how much of an emphasis there is on battles and gyms, etc.? Or is the main focus just catching pokemon?

They haven't really said much on that subject, but the trailer and site shows that regular trainer battles are still present. It also shows trainers in the same spots on various routes from the original games. Battles appear to have the same set of four moves to choose from, as well as the normal levels/HP system.
 

The Nightsky

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Oct 27, 2017
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To make Origins, they had to stop releasing yearly ACs. CoD is the same game every year. FIFA is the same game every year. Don't say they innovate, 'cause they don't.
Remember how CoD was a franchise exclusive to handhelds and in about 1 year's time moved to home consoles with a brand new engine with cutting edge graphics?

Yeah, me neither.

EAs sports games have also been total garbage every time they move to a new console.
 

ShinobiBk

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Dec 28, 2017
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That doesn't have anything to do the really bad point you attempted to make and random battles =/= a lack of being able to fight wild Pokemon.

Though to be fair I don't really get how you do rarity with Pokemon exclusively on the overworld. Seems like you would have to do both.
They can do rarity easy. Just only have the Pokemon on the overworld be procedurally generated with rares having a low chance of showing up. That way I don't have to fight mg way through an armed of Pidgeys and Rattatas to get what I want. I can just walk away and reload the map instead
 

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Error...What?

They would sell billions if they made a Pokemon game with current standards.

This is embarrasing, and dont't expect 8th gen game will be souch different from this game, why is Pokemon quality bar so low?

I don't understand.

If you want a recent example of low effort, just look at Secret of Maná remake, it's the same thing all over again.

It's not guaranteed, games aren't just graphics there are million ways you can screw it up, and Pokémon games are REALLY good even though they all look outdated compared to other titles.

Again you keep assuming Pokémon would stay this successful or even more with other devs when it's not true, and the proof is that you don't have other examples like Pokémon, if the other companies are that much better they would have made their own better version of Pokémon already.

Yo-Kai Watch as nice and cute as it is, it's nowhere near as big as Pokémon.

Secret of Mana remake is really bad, and worse than the original game (cause it slowed down the gameplay with the loading times), this one is not that bad and still major improvement from a 3DS game, let's be honest.

Jokes on you it's not fun at all

What? i'm liking it a lot, considering it's a free to play game, so it should be full of crap and it is far from the mainline series anyway.

It's a nice side-game to play.
 

Sou Da

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Oct 25, 2017
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Fighting your allies is dumb from a logical perspective.
It really isn't, it's been explained in-game several times as Pokemon wanting you to prove how skilled you are to them or just straight up looking for a fight with you. Hell the anime explained this too, how did you not know this?

From a mechanics perspective I find literally nothing interesting about just using an item to build my team nor do I ever want to engage with motion controls.
 

Gobias-Ind

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As a Fake Pokemon Fan, I'm excited that they're putting something more streamlined out there while they take their time with the next generation. I've got about 25 hours in Ultra Moon and it's not a very fun video game.
 

Xarius

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Oct 28, 2017
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The implication seems to be everything regarding battles/gyms is the exact same way it always was. The only major difference is there's no random battles or encounters, and most likely some of the trainer battles will be balanced accordingly because of it.

That's what I was hoping for; thanks for the reply.
 

KtSlime

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Oct 25, 2017
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Joke post? There's still a whole game outside of how you catch pokemon.
Substitute motion with a button. Or a stick flick.
No, not a joke. In red/green the majority of battles were that of player vs wild pokemon rather than player vs trainer. It depends where in the game you are, but I'm sure encounters easily quadruple the battles in the game. While we don't know how pokemon level up in Let's Go, if it is like Go, it means you will be spending a lot of time catching and merging pokemon, the majority of this game, just like the preview video will be you throwing your joycon.
 

Sou Da

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They can do rarity easy. Just only have the Pokemon on the overworld be procedurally generated with rares having a low chance of showing up. That way I don't have to fight mg way through an armed of Pidgeys and Rattatas to get what I want. I can just walk away and reload the map instead
That sounds even more tedious to to me.
 

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Do we have any confirmation of Gyms returning?
I don't believe so. They probably will (I don't see any reason they wouldn't, since we do have confirmation of NPC trainer battles and Team Rocket being in the game, so it would be weird if Gym Leaders weren't), but I don't believe we have any actual hard confirmation of that yet.
 

lvl 99 Pixel

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The don't need to innovate, they need to create a game that doesn't look like a PS1 game emulated in HD.

It's embarrasing, i don't understand why the technical bar of the franchise is so damn low, and just to clarify, i don't expect an open world or a reboot, just look at Monster Hunter World compared to Generations, that's the kind of leap i want and the core games need.

Well, I already told you why your comparison to AC made no sense at all. Capcom, a particularly talented and large scale developer (I think the total people working there is close to 3k) of big budget console games, started MHW 4 years ago.
 

Wijuci

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It really is not. For the sake of the average person you only ever needed to have max IVs in speed and float around the 20s for everything else if even.

With bottlecaps (which should be made extremely easy to get in future games) it became irrelevant all together.

I consider Bottlecaps part of the borderline insane process to reach competitive Pokemon.
It's a rare item that you can't buy AND it requires the huge time sink of leveling up to 100 in the games were leveling up to 100 has never been harder.

In the same vein, natures have a huge influence on stats, way more than IV, and there is no sure way to get non-breedable Pokemon with the nature you want. Synchronize doesn't work 100% of the time for some reason, so if you're unlucky, reset your console and better luck next time.
Insane.

If you are worried about specific EV spreads to survive specific threats at specific IV totals you're already at the point where you should be hacking your pokemon because these numbers aren't things average players can generate.

That's exactly my point.


I know that's not a very popular opinion, but it's how I feel about the feature all the same (that is, pretty similar to how I imagine some people must feel about stuff like IVs--that it makes sense that not all Pokémon have the same potential, and that some are stronger or weaker than others no matter what you do or how you train them, that that might be realistic, but that doesn't necessarily make the game more fun. That's how I feel about day and night).

I totally agree with you: they made those choices (IVs, days & nights) to make things more real, but it's less fun.
At least, the day/night thing is purely cosmestic. I wish I had seen Alola by day though.
 

Merc_

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It really isn't, it's been explained in-game several times as Pokemon wanting you to prove how skilled you are to them or just straight up looking for a fight with you. Hell the anime explained this too, how did you not know this?

From a mechanics perspective I find literally nothing interesting about just using an item to build my team nor do I ever want to engage with motion controls.
It's gonna be funny watching Mewtwo just stand there and glare at you while you repeatedly pelt him with Poke Balls.
 

Boya

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That would be because it's the only game out of those running at 1080p (unless by Mario you meant Mario Kart which is also 1080p) :).
I meant it more in the sense that it's not as visually cluterered as the Mario and Kirby screenshots and both Zelda and Xenoblade have very samey colour palettes and noticable problems with textures compared to the other games.
 

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There's no guarantee that stuff from this game won't start seeping into the regular games, especially when this sells a lot

I think that's a good assumption and if you watch the press conference, they are more leaning into that.

They want to blend everything together, so Go users can finally play the mainline series and they can bring back old fans who used to play Red, Blue or Yellow.

This is not, a new side-series or a spin-off, they called Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee Core RPG too.
 

JayWood2010

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By this point I dont see a big reason to be that upset. They announced a traditional core game for next year. If anything this could go down as the best spinoff for pokemon games along side Pokemon Snap.

Sure i wish it was traditional, but it looks good for what it is. I think i will be ok waiting one more year. Its not as if this is the future of the core franchise, and Gamefreak seems to know this which is why they announced a core title for next year to keep people calm.

Can you imagine if they didnt announce the core title next year? People would have been going out of their minds.
 

Skittzo

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Oct 25, 2017
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You don't have to shake with the gyro but tilt slightly. Think about aiming with a bow in Zelda BotW or OoT 3DS.

Oh wait, that's not what the quote I saw said. If that's the case then that's perfectly fine. Is it essentially aiming and then pressing a button to throw? That seems way easier than using the joycon in docked mode then.

It's 2018 and we still have to explain that gyro controls don't mean flailing your arms wildly. Unbelievable.

No, it's 2018 and outlets are reporting that you have to shake the Switch in handheld mode to throw a Pokeball. Nobody said it was gyro aiming like in BotW, which is perfectly fine.

That said, if it's just gyro aiming there should at least be an option for right stick aiming too.
 

Wijuci

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This thread

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I forgot the protagonist in X&Y had facial expression.
I'm starting to think the SuMo protag had a blank face just because he was so very stupid.Or jetlagged.
 

GamerEra

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Looks great, sure it's not a "true core game" but it is a fully realized Pokemon game, in HD, on a main console. Remember folks the main tagline of Pokemon has always been "Gotta catch 'em all" not gotta, fight 'em all.
Just throwing Pokeballs and catching Pokémon isn't very fun. What made Pokemon on the handhelds fun was battles. Getting the Pokémon weak then throwing a Pokeball.

I'm all for making the games more accessible but I don't think this is the way to do it as it alienates their core Pokémon's fans in favor of the casual Go crowd who may not even own a Switch.
 

Kiraly

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The fucking nitwits who in this very topic are downright disrespectful. You bring shame to us all who like to play games. You are a disgrace.

If a post with a negative opinion on the game would have included language like this we'd be two pages further. But it was completely ignored.
 

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Oh wait, that's not what the quote I saw said. If that's the case then that's perfectly fine. Is it essentially aiming and then pressing a button to throw? That seems way easier than using the joycon in docked mode then.



No, it's 2018 and outlets are reporting that you have to shake the Switch in handheld mode to throw a Pokeball. Nobody said it was gyro aiming like in BotW, which is perfectly fine.

That said, if it's just gyro aiming there should at least be an option for right stick aiming too.

This is what's on the official site:

The games utilize the abilities of the Nintendo Switch to add new and more accessible ways to experience Pokémon and play in the Pokémon universe. Even those who have never played the Pokémon series before will be able to dive right in—Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Pokémon: Let's Go, Eevee! are easily approachable for newcomers to the series, but also have enough depth to keep veteran Trainers on their toes.

The practice of catching Pokémon has been changed dramatically from previous titles. Now you can use your Nintendo Switch's Joy-Con to toss a Poké Ball at your target with one hand, either by pressing a button or flicking your wrist. With fewer buttons and intuitive action, it's never been simpler.

So it seems like we can either use gyro or just press a button. None of the shots from the trailer seemed to suggest having to "aim" in any way.
 

Beje

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I forgot the protagonist in X&Y had facial expression.
I'm starting to think the SuMo protag had a blank face just because he was so very stupid.Or jetlagged.

That's not the protagonist. He's not wearing a hat so it's the NPC in the group of friends. The actual PC in that screenshot is Serena, on the side with her hat, and most likely the blankest facial expression you can think of.
 

Vire

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I don't really care about this game, but all I gotta say is the Pokemon game in 2019 better not be the same ugly engine and visuals. Shame that a kickstarter made by a group of 10 people looks better than this.
 

ultra bawl

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This is pandering to US. This has been made for US. The people who were there when Pokemon started. Us OG Pokemon players, with the fucking CARDS. Us who saw the first episodes of Pokemon, who to this day LOVE the original Pokemons. People who loved the simplicity of the original Pokemon.
Good lord, this sounds like exactly the kind of elitism you're railing against. A lot of us were there with cards and gen 1 games - a pissing contest isn't going to achieve anything.

Perhaps instead of any one group laying claim to a game we should recognise that this game is for both old players and new players, and that both groups are likely to have people react positively, negatively, and mixed.