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Solo: A Star Wars Story |OT| Ron Shot Last [SPOILERS]

Dragon Puncher

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BDS said:
Not sure where everyone is getting this from when my interpretation was that L3 was clearly projecting her own "feelings" in a tsundere manner and that Lando didn't view her as anything more than a droid and friend.
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I wish that were true, but considering droids are specifically mentioned as part of his sexuality here and L3 mentioning his heart rate going up when near her, I don't think that was what the screen writers were going for. Also he ran out into almost certain death to get her back and was completely devastated when she dies. Sure it could just be friendship, but it very much felt like the movie was going for something more.

Einchy said:
Also, C3PO actually talks to the Falcon in Empire.
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Sure. That doesn't explain why Lando doesn't.
 
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Dragon Puncher said:
Sure. That doesn't explain why Lando doesn't.
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When is he supposed to talk to her? The only time Lando is in the Falcon in Empire is when they're being chased and trying to escape, not really the time to sit down and catch up with L3. And then the next time we see him in the Falcon is in Jedi but that has been a long time since Empire and Jedi and in that he's in the middle of a battle.
 
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Einchy said:
When is he supposed to talk to her? The only time Lando is in the Falcon in Empire is when they're being chased and trying to escape, not really the time to sit down and catch up with L3. And then the next time we see him in the Falcon is in Jedi but that has been a long time since Empire and Jedi and in that he's in the middle of a battle.
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Come on, nobody's talking about having a long conservation here, it's about acknowledment. If we assume her AI is a sentient part of the ship's computer, it is weird that he doesn't at least say hello to his old and dear friend/droid he was in love with.
 
Einchy

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Dragon Puncher said:
Come on, nobody's talking about having a long conservation here, it's about acknowledment. If we assume her AI is a sentient part of the ship's computer, it is weird that he doesn't at least say hello to his old and dear friend/droid he was in love with.
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I mean, I'd say what you're saying is 'come on'. The fact that Lando doesn't say hello to the Falcon when he's in mortal danger is not a plot hole. Just because you think something should happen and doesn't doesn't mean it's a plothole.
 
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Dragon Puncher said:
Come on, nobody's talking about having a long conservation here, it's about acknowledment. If we assume her AI is a sentient part of the ship's computer, it is weird that he doesn't at least say hello to his old and dear friend/droid he was in love with.
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Why are you assuming Empire is the first time Lando's been in the Falcon in thirteen years? I'm sure he and Han have had interactions in the years between Solo and Empire.
 
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Einchy said:
I mean, I'd say what you're saying is 'come on'. The fact that Lando doesn't say hello to the Falcon when he's in mortal danger is not a plot hole. Just because you think something should happen and doesn't doesn't mean it's a plothole.
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By that logic, plot holes can't be anything related to character motivations or feelings since those will always be formed by the subjective interpretation of the viewer.

And I don't think that's true. Plot holes can just as easily be about how a character acts (or doesn't act), than about a ship going twice as fast as it's suppose to be able to, etc.
 

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I really enjoyed the shit out of this movie. I thought Alden Ehrenreich was fucking great. Emilia Clarke was great. Donald Glover was REALLY great. Paul Bettany was great. Woody was perfect. The story was cool, just the kind of Star Wars story I've wanted to see on the big screen since reading the Marvel Comics back in the 80's without lightsabers or any mention of the force at all.

The Maul thing at the end was the only "Eh?" part. Not because he was back or the VO but because it felt very much like Nick Fury at the end of Iron Man, except it had the opposite effect on me and I rolled my eyes a bit. Doubly so when he fired up his lightsaber... can we not have one fucking movie without one?

Anyways - would love to see a sequel. I wholeheartedly bought into the entire thing. Was also super surprised that Han shot first... that was cool and made me laugh. A lot.

Really enjoyed it.
 
Dragon Puncher

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BDS said:
Why are you assuming Empire is the first time Lando's been in the Falcon in thirteen years? I'm sure he and Han have had interactions in the years between Solo and Empire.
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I didn't assume that at all though? But we know it's been a long time since Lando and Han have seen each other in Empire, so presumably it's been a long time since Lando saw the Falcon.

BDS said:
Yes. You figured it out. Good job.
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A plot hole is a logical inconsistency. Character actions are motivated by logic. But you did edit two whole characters in my post, so I guess I'm convinced now.
 
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Dragon Puncher said:
By that logic, plot holes can't be anything related to character motivations or feelings since those will always be formed by the subjective interpretation of the viewer.

And I don't think that's true. Plot holes can just as easily be about how a character acts (or doesn't act), than about a ship going twice as fast as it's suppose to be able to, etc.
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Sure, but by definition a plot hole has to be relevant to the plot, Lando not talking to the ship computer has no effect on the plot. Lando talking to the ship isn't going to make it fly faster.

At best you could say it was a missed opportunity for a character moment.
 
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Just saw it. It was a lot of fun! It is also the most EU Star Wars thing to come out since Disney. It felt like old EU stories (for better or worse). It felt like it was for old EU fans by old EU fans. It even referenced teras kasi of all things! That's wild, who does that in your big budget Disney movie?
 
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Ushojax said:
Sure, but by definition a plot hole has to be relevant to the plot, Lando not talking to the ship computer has no effect on the plot. Lando talking to the ship isn't going to make it fly faster.

At best you could say it was a missed opportunity for a character moment.
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I would probably call it more of a character inconsistency, but I see your point.
 
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Saw it yesterday. I quite liked it and was actually surprised how good it was after all the doom and gloom of the production.
The main things that made me roll my eyes where:
-Darth Maul sequel bait - I understand why it was done, and he looked amazing. it just felt a little bit meh
-Solo helping kickstart the rebellion - it was not really needed and just helped try to create a bigger importance of Solo in the universe.
 

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I really liked this film. Saw it yesterday, it was great. I had more fun watching this than any of the last few SW Films. I thought everyone was great. The only thing that ircked me was...

eonden said:
-Solo helping kickstart the rebellion - it was not really needed and just helped try to create a bigger importance of Solo in the universe.
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This is too much. How do you describe this? It's way too much of a coincidence/doesn't really make sense with the current cannon lore. It kind of turns Solo into the most important person in the universe and I'm not ok with that. Feels like an overreach.
 
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eonden said:
-Solo helping kickstart the rebellion - it was not really needed and just helped try to create a bigger importance of Solo in the universe.
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KarneeKarnay said:
This is too much. How do you describe this? It's way too much of a coincidence/doesn't really make sense with the current cannon lore. It kind of turns Solo into the most important person in the universe and I'm not ok with that. Feels like an overreach.
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A lot of people are misunderstanding what happened here because they're not too familiar with the Rebel Alliance. It's not that Solo helped kickstart the Rebel Alliance, it's that Solo helped out a group of rebels, one of maybe hundreds that were out in the galaxy. It was first many different rebel cells that later joined up as an Alliance to fight the Empire and we even know of some, like Saw's group, that operated as rebels but weren't part of the alliance. It's not the helped the rebels, he just helped some rebels.
 
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Einchy said:
A lot of people are misunderstanding what happened here because they're not too familiar with the Rebel Alliance. It's not that Solo helped kickstart the Rebel Alliance, it's that Solo helped out a group of rebels, one of maybe hundreds that were out in the galaxy. It was first many different rebel cells that later joined up as an Alliance to fight the Empire and we even know of some, like Saw's group, that operated as rebels but weren't part of the alliance. It's not the helped the rebels, he just helped some rebels.
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I know, but the speech the rebel leader gave him was really on the nose on that aspect. Which is sad after the great introduction of them not beign completely bad guys and the more "subtle" thing of the people of that planet not speaking due to their tonges having been cut. It feels like a big overreach.
 

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Einchy said:
A lot of people are misunderstanding what happened here because they're not too familiar with the Rebel Alliance. It's not that Solo helped kickstart the Rebel Alliance, it's that Solo helped out a group of rebels, one of maybe hundreds that were out in the galaxy. It was first many different rebel cells that later joined up as an Alliance to fight the Empire and we even know of some, like Saw's group, that operated as rebels but weren't part of the alliance. It's not the helped the rebels, he just helped some rebels.
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That's how I was trying to justify it, but the camera work and music really frame this as the start. Did I miss a piece of dialogue where they say something like this? I think your explanation makes more sense, it's just not very clear.
 
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The Empire is a massive, totalitarian fascist government. You have to imagine there are probably little cells of people on every world trying to fight back for any number of reasons. I'm sure Han crossed paths with these cells many times and probably helped and harmed them all the same. He's only in it for himself until he meets Luke and Leia.
 
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KarneeKarnay said:
That's how I was trying to justify it, but the camera work and music really frame this as the start. Did I miss a piece of dialogue where they say something like this? I think your explanation makes more sense, it's just not very clear.
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The way that scene is framed and shot I think it's just a way to do a call back to what Han will become and what he is rejecting there. The Alliance as we know will not exist until, like, 9 years later, so it's impossible for Solo to have kickstarted the alliance as we know it.
 
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I saw this yesterday and thought it was awful.

I can't see why they cast that guy as Han. Terrible actor who seemed to put no effort into the role, Solo in Name Only.

Darth Maul, are you fucking kidding me.

Overall, it was boring and definitely lacked Star Wars "feel". During the train heist, it seemed like they were making a shallow attempt at making Harrelson's crew the GOTG.

Things I did like:

-Glover was good as Lando. Did a good job of replicating Billy Dee Williams' style and cadence, which only served to highlight the terrible Han performance.

-Enfys Nest and crew. Really cool designs, nice sense of mystery.

-Paul Bettany tore it up as Dryden, and I liked the Crimson Dawn concept.


In fact, I think I would have vastly preferred an Enfys Nest and crew vs. Crimson Dawn film, with no pre-established characters. I hope they drop these ideas of Obi-Wan and Boba Fett movies, and give us spin-off films more like Rogue One. Or even better, films set during the Old Republic.

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It should have ended with Han using the card he stole from Lando, not showing it to him after he won fair and square.

He should have cheated just like Lando.
 
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CloudWolf said:
The boast doesn't even really make sense.

"My ship is the fastest, let me prove this by boasting about how I took a shortcut"
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Parsec is a unit of distance. Hence the movie bent over backwards to show that taking a shortcut on the Kessel run was essentially suicide and worth boasting about. If you can do the Kessel run in 12 parsecs then you probably had to do some crazy shit. Which he did.

Of course originally George didn't know what a parsec was he just used it as a generic sci-fi time unit so it still doesn't really make sense that Han is boasting about how fast the ship is in parsecs.
 
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First viewing I pretty much hated this movie. Second viewing I warmed to it and thought it got much better once Beckett and Qira came into the picture. Everything leading up to the train heist is pretty turgid.

I still think the movie could have been improved in three ways:

1. Better establish the romance between Han and Qira as this is the entire emotional thrust of the movie and the ending isn't as heartbreaking as it should be. It should have been an affecting romance and it really wasn't.

2. Beckett's crew should have been a better defined cast of characters with more personality and "character." Compare them to say the Guardians in Guardians 1 and you see how bland and boring this group is.

3. Han's relationship with Beckett isn't properly fleshed out. Beckett is instrumental in forming Han into the man we know and their relationship isn't very strong. Han's betrayal at the end needed more weight. The emotional arc doesn't feel properly earned
 
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BDS said:
The Empire is a massive, totalitarian fascist government. You have to imagine there are probably little cells of people on every world trying to fight back for any number of reasons. I'm sure Han crossed paths with these cells many times and probably helped and harmed them all the same. He's only in it for himself until he meets Luke and Leia.
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Also, it's in the name: Rebel Alliance. They're an alliance of rebels!

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Next you're going to tell me that Darth Vader and Anakin Skywalker were actually two separate people in 1977
 
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Imagine a criminal underworld film involving Maul's Crimson Dawn and Prince Xizor's Black Sun facing off against one another

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To the people that saw the movie, who was the Wookiee that Chewie knocks heads with in the trailer?

It isn't covered in the Wiki plot synopsis.
 
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DavidDesu said:
So dull. So disappointed. Just a below average pretty flat movie with overly long unengaging action scenes and very little comedy that worked.

Urgh. Genuinely felt like I just wasted my time watching a Star Wars movie. :(

And wtf with Darth Maul? Just appeared like some kind of bad fan film. Not played by Ray Park or voiced by Serafinowicz.. why not?
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I literally lol'd.

That is Ray Park playing the body and Sam Witwer doing the voice. Clone Wars and some comics explain why Maul is there, Rebels will show you what happens to him later on, before ANH.
 
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Dragon Puncher said:
Probably not, considering L3 herself says it wouldn't work out between the two of them.. The implication was that he was in love with L3 though.

But honestly that whole thing was handled terrible. Lands is only shown sighing and being annoyed at L3 and her "crusade" through the whole movie, but somehow this machine that we haven't even seen him smile at is Lando big love. And putting her AI in the Falcon also just feels like a big plot hole since it's never referenced in any of the other movies. You would think Lando would at least say hello to her once he gets back in the ship in Empire.
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I didn't take it as Lando is literally in love with L3. I saw it more as them having a strong bond, to him she was a very close friend and his partner. So he was naturally distraught when she was all but destroyed. L3's personality is a result of her never having her memory wiped, it's the same reason why R2 has so much attitude and often curses (3PO and Luke have both reacted to him using bad words in the movies).

It's not uncommon for people to form close bonds with droids in Star Wars as seen with Luke and R2, and to an even greater extent, Poe and BB-8. And I'm willing to bet there are sex droids in the universe but we probably won't see that in the movies, or not until the GoT director's movies.

I stand by what I said before, Jon Kasdan was pandering to a wider demographic when he said what he said about Lando. Star Wars has lots of inter-species romance. Most characters are pansexual by that definition.

And L3 being in the Falcon is referenced in ESB. 3PO speaks with the Falcon's computer after the asteroid chase and remarks about its attitude. What happened in L3 in this movie is a set up for that.
 
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Soupbones said:
True, but I always pictured him as a liar/scoundrel type. Would have made that line in ESB hilarious IMO, with Lando knowing the truth, but could never prove it without outing himself.
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I always assumed the line in ESB was a tongue-in-cheek comment and Han and Lando had a long back and forth history of swindling each other.

It definitely felt like winning the falcon should have played into the scoundrel angle, Han winning honestly felt a bit bland to me.
 
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JB1981 said:
First viewing I pretty much hated this movie. Second viewing I warmed to it and thought it got much better once Beckett and Qira came into the picture. Everything leading up to the train heist is pretty turgid.

I still think the movie could have been improved in three ways:

1. Better establish the romance between Han and Qira as this is the entire emotional thrust of the movie and the ending isn't as heartbreaking as it should be. It should have been an affecting romance and it really wasn't.

2. Beckett's crew should have been a better defined cast of characters with more personality and "character." Compare them to say the Guardians in Guardians 1 and you see how bland and boring this group is.

3. Han's relationship with Beckett isn't properly fleshed out. Beckett is instrumental in forming Han into the man we know and their relationship isn't very strong. Han's betrayal at the end needed more weight. The emotional arc doesn't feel properly earned
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Agree with all of this - but all of this would never work in 1 movie. It's too bad we get so many one-shot characters arcs in movies these days. Would have loved to get to know Beckett and his crew more, hate villains like Snoke more, etc. Movies go through characters too quickly and still expect you to care...
 
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